Abortion thread: 9yo victim pregnant

Sometimes, children become fertile at a very young age.

From AP
A 9-year-old girl who was carrying twins, allegedly after being raped by her stepfather, underwent an abortion Wednesday despite complaints from Brazil's Roman Catholic church.

Fatima Maia, director of the public university hospital where the abortion was performed, said the 15-week-old pregnancy posed a serious risk to the 80-pound (36-kilogram) girl.

"She is very small. Her uterus doesn't have the ability to hold one, let alone two children," Maia told the Jornal do Brasil newspaper.
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Local authorities said the [9-year-old's] procedure was entirely lawful since the pregnancy had placed the girl's life in danger...

Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 03-07-2009 at 02:59 PM.
Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.
That's just sick and twisted. This definitely goes back to what the pro-choicers were saying on that other thread... why are the fetus' rights SO much more important than this innocent child's???

I'll admit, there are area of the abortion issue that are gray for me. But this is pretty black and white. It makes me sick to think that this girl's mother, who was only looking out for her child by approving the abortion could be charged with murder. Was she just supposed to sit back and watch her child die otherwise???
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Last edited by MimsTX; 03-05-2009 at 08:54 AM.
Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.


I think the RCC should work on addressing our street children epidemic first. I would like to write more, but I probably would end up offending people.


ETA: And what about the stepfather? If they want to charge anyone, I think he should be charged with murder if he did indeed rape this child. Doubt that would happen since the little girl probably asked for it.
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Originally Posted by Eilonwy
I am in the U.S. now.
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IMO a fetus is still a human life...It's hard to say who's more "important." However, another side of me says if someone should die, I would not mind if it were the stepfather.
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Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.

Charge her as in a court of law? how is that possible if the law says:


Local authorities said the procedure was entirely lawful since the pregnancy had placed the girl's life in danger. In Brazil, abortion is only permitted in cases of rape or when pregnancy threatens the life of the mother

And I agree if anyone should be charged it should be the step-father. For the rape. If they want to call the abortion murder, then yeah that charge should fall on him too.
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wow, well that sure is a great example of why abortions should remain legal.
If it's legal, what gives the RCC the right to charge the girl's mother with murder? Or is this just a case of wanting the publicity?

My god, this whole situation disgusts me on so many levels.
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wow, well that sure is a great example of why abortions should remain legal.
Originally Posted by frau
Not only legal, but private. To me, it's not a political issue. It's an intenesly private medical( and yes, moral) decision that should not be open to public debate.
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Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.
That's just sick and twisted. This definitely goes back to what the pro-lifers were saying on that other thread... why are the fetus' rights SO much more important than this innocent child's???

I'll admit, there are area of the abortion issue that are gray for me. But this is pretty black and white. It makes me sick to think that this girl's mother, who was only looking out for her child by approving the abortion could be charged with murder. Was she just supposed to sit back and watch her child die otherwise???
Originally Posted by MimsTX

It was the pro-choicers, not the anti-choicers, who value the already-born woman's (or in this case child's) life. Anti-choicers don't tend to think of the pregnant woman at all. Tough sh*t for her if she dies in pregnancy or birth.

And EVERY pregnancy risks a woman's life, not just a twin pregnancy in a 9 year old. Every.Single.Pregnancy.Risks.A.Woman's.Life. The pregnant woman should be the only one making the decision to take the risk of pregnancy...or not...not some celibate man sitting on a religious throne wearing a silly hat. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be legal in every country.

Last edited by RedCatWaves; 03-05-2009 at 08:57 AM.
If it's legal, what gives the RCC the right to charge the girl's mother with murder? Or is this just a case of wanting the publicity?
Originally Posted by Gemini13


The RCC still runs many countries. The RCC is no better than the Taliban.
Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.
That's just sick and twisted. This definitely goes back to what the pro-lifers were saying on that other thread... why are the fetus' rights SO much more important than this innocent child's???

I'll admit, there are area of the abortion issue that are gray for me. But this is pretty black and white. It makes me sick to think that this girl's mother, who was only looking out for her child by approving the abortion could be charged with murder. Was she just supposed to sit back and watch her child die otherwise???
Originally Posted by MimsTX

It was the pro-choicers, not the anti-choicers, who value the already-born woman's (or in this case child's) life.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Sorry, just mispoke. it's early yet. Editting my original post
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Last edited by MimsTX; 03-05-2009 at 09:01 AM.
Not only legal, but private. To me, it's not a political issue. It's an intenesly private medical( and yes, moral) decision that should not be open to public debate.
Originally Posted by Scarlet
I wish more people thought like this.
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Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it. ~Armaments 2:9-21

The RCC still runs many countries. The RCC is no better than the Taliban.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Let's see who takes the bait.

Although I have to admit, for many countries that's not too much of an exaggeration when it comes to women's rights. The choice of forced motherhood or forced celibacy (which could mean poverty, if women can't generally support themselves) is incredibly limiting.

I think, though, that the RCC is less likely to execute a man because his pants are longer than Jesus' were. (The Taliban in Pakistan recently killed a man because his pants were longer than Mohammad's.)

EDIT: Just wanted to add that the pants thing is not an actual Islamic rule. It's unique to the taliban.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 03-05-2009 at 09:58 AM.
Despite this, the Roman Catholic church has threatened to charge the mother of the girl with murder. A lawyer for the archdiocese of Olinda and Recife, which lies in the northeast of the country, says the child should have brought the twins into the world.
That's just sick and twisted. This definitely goes back to what the pro-lifers were saying on that other thread... why are the fetus' rights SO much more important than this innocent child's???

I'll admit, there are area of the abortion issue that are gray for me. But this is pretty black and white. It makes me sick to think that this girl's mother, who was only looking out for her child by approving the abortion could be charged with murder. Was she just supposed to sit back and watch her child die otherwise???
Originally Posted by MimsTX

It was the pro-choicers, not the anti-choicers, who value the already-born woman's (or in this case child's) life. Anti-choicers don't tend to think of the pregnant woman at all. Tough sh*t for her if she dies in pregnancy or birth.

And EVERY pregnancy risks a woman's life, not just a twin pregnancy in a 9 year old. Every.Single.Pregnancy.Risks.A.Woman's.Life. The pregnant woman should be the only one making the decision to take the risk of pregnancy...or not...not some celibate man sitting on a religious throne wearing a silly hat. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be illegal in every country.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

I think you mean legal, right? If men could get pregnant abortion would be legal in every country.
The RCC still runs many countries. The RCC is no better than the Taliban.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Let's see who takes the bait.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy

It's not bait. It's true. So many christians are on a high horse, thinking they are oh-so-much better than that terrible Taliban and Islam, when in reality, the christian religion is every bit as oppressive to women as Islam.

That's just sick and twisted. This definitely goes back to what the pro-lifers were saying on that other thread... why are the fetus' rights SO much more important than this innocent child's???

I'll admit, there are area of the abortion issue that are gray for me. But this is pretty black and white. It makes me sick to think that this girl's mother, who was only looking out for her child by approving the abortion could be charged with murder. Was she just supposed to sit back and watch her child die otherwise???
Originally Posted by MimsTX

It was the pro-choicers, not the anti-choicers, who value the already-born woman's (or in this case child's) life. Anti-choicers don't tend to think of the pregnant woman at all. Tough sh*t for her if she dies in pregnancy or birth.

And EVERY pregnancy risks a woman's life, not just a twin pregnancy in a 9 year old. Every.Single.Pregnancy.Risks.A.Woman's.Life. The pregnant woman should be the only one making the decision to take the risk of pregnancy...or not...not some celibate man sitting on a religious throne wearing a silly hat. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be illegal in every country.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

I think you mean legal, right? If men could get pregnant abortion would be legal in every country.
Originally Posted by babywavy


Crap...yes, legal. I'll fix the OP.
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be illegal in every country.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves

I think the opposite would be true. I think if it were men who would face all these risk associated with pregnancy, labor and delivery, they'd make sure it was legal. I don't think it's about the fetus, it's about wanting to control women.
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The RCC still runs many countries. The RCC is no better than the Taliban.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Let's see who takes the bait.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy

It's not bait. It's true. So many christians are on a high horse, thinking they are oh-so-much better than that terrible Taliban and Islam, when in reality, the christian religion is every bit as oppressive to women as Islam.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
i grew up catholic and am no longer catholic or christian for a myriad of reasons, particularly the catholic church's retrograde treatment of women. and i agree that americans, in general, and christians in particular, can be incredibly smug and condescending when it comes to islam.

but i've been to afghanistan, right after the fall of the taliban. i've spent a lot of time talking to afghani women. trust me when i tell you that the taliban is far, far worse than the RCC. for starters, under the taliban, it was illegal for women to be educated. a woman unaccompanied by a male relative would be beaten, etc., etc.
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