Sort of a spin off of the Tallulah Willis thread: Do you take into consideration...

Genetics doesn't work like that. Eggs and sperm has no clue what birth order they are.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
There's evidence that birth order can affect sexuality, but I guess that would have to do more with things like prenatal hormone exposure.
What I have seen is that the 1st child usually looks more like the Dad & the 2nd more like the Mom. The 3rd is a crap shoot. I think it also applies to personalities.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves

Genetics doesn't work like that. Eggs and sperm has no clue what birth order they are.

People can only get just-so-beautiful, just-so-tall, just-so-strong. You can mate perfect human specimens together for generations and they really won't get more and more and more good looking. There is something called "regression to mean" in genetics...meaning that everything wants to go back to average. I think that has happened in the Willis girls.

http://www.jcu.edu.au/cgc/RegMean.html
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is what I have "personally" seen. I can't explain it. I just know that I look more like my Mom, and I am the 2nd born. My oldest daughter's 1st born is blonde like her but has her Dad's heighth & his face. My youngest's 1st looks just like the Dad & her 2nd looks just like her. I have seen this in my friend's children & grandchildren & also patients who come into my office with their children.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


And I have seen many examples of the opposite...my oldest brother looked just like my mom. My oldest son looks most like me. My sister's oldest looks most like her. I think you've just been seeing the examples that support what you want to believe. Anecdotal. I doubt there's any science to back that up.


Genetics doesn't work like that. Eggs and sperm has no clue what birth order they are.

People can only get just-so-beautiful, just-so-tall, just-so-strong. You can mate perfect human specimens together for generations and they really won't get more and more and more good looking. There is something called "regression to mean" in genetics...meaning that everything wants to go back to average. I think that has happened in the Willis girls.

http://www.jcu.edu.au/cgc/RegMean.html
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
This is what I have "personally" seen. I can't explain it. I just know that I look more like my Mom, and I am the 2nd born. My oldest daughter's 1st born is blonde like her but has her Dad's heighth & his face. My youngest's 1st looks just like the Dad & her 2nd looks just like her. I have seen this in my friend's children & grandchildren & also patients who come into my office with their children.
Originally Posted by Lotsawaves


And I have seen many examples of the opposite...my oldest brother looked just like my mom. My oldest son looks most like me. My sister's oldest looks most like her. I think you've just been seeing the examples that support what you want to believe. Anecdotal. I doubt there's any science to back that up.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I'm not looking for it, because that's what I want to believe. I really don't care. This is just what I have personally seen. You've seen the opposite. Oh well.
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My older brother and my mother are identical except she's dark skinned and he's light. Their faces are the same. I'm next the exact opposite. Mom's coloring but dad's face. The third has dad's face and coloring. Interestingly, the ones that look alike have the same personality. As I said in another post, my dad's mom is 1/4 black, could have passed for white. Her husband and first child were dark, dark brown. Having seen such a mix in my family, it never occured to me to think about what a child might look like because my experience showed me that it was all unpredicatable.
The main thing I think about is hair. My ex had 3b curls like mine and everyone would say that we'd have cute curly haired children (but my parents both have curly hair and my other 2 siblings have straight). Honestly I'd kind of be disappointed if they had straight hair.

Like someone else had mentioned I would want to marry someone with sorta similar features to me so that my child wouldn't look completely different from me. I know it's shallow but I'd be kind of sad if no one would believe I'm the mother.
I'm the oldest and I'm built like my mom. I am exactly her height. My hands and feet look identical to hers. She's heavier than I am, but I have the same bone structure and am built like she was when she was younger. In the face, I look like my dad, I'm colored like him, I have his hair and all my facial features look like him, with the exception of having cheeks like my mom.

My brother is tall like my dad, but unlike my dad he has very broad shoulders (more like my mom's side). In the face he looks like my mom, but has my dad's hair too.

Genetics is just a crap shoot.
The thing with genetics is that it is not just your gene's and your SO gene's, it is the way they combine. How can you judge that just by looking at your SO?
If I had to guess, I'd say my husband and I are going to have tall, blindingly pale, blue-eyed kids.

Not that I planned it that way at all. Just the way it's going to end up.

He's 6'4" and I'm 5'11". Both blue-eyed. Both very very white.

I'm pretty sure that both the skin tone and the blue eyes are inevitable. But we do have a couple of extended relatives who are pretty darn short, so some short genes may pop up.

My one fear is that my husband has a really large bone structure. He's built like a linebacker. I hope if we have daughters, that they don't inherit that bulky build. Looks fine on a guy, not so much on a girl.
I've seen very particular ads requesting egg donors, and I always wonder how many of the resulting children are at least 5'5 (if female), with blue eyes, 2100+ SAT scores, and basic musical talent.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
My husband always jokes that we could make a mint selling my eggs

I'm tall, blue eyed, natural 20/20 vision, naturally straight teeth, and ivy league educated.




Now if only all that crap gave me some self esteem it would be awesome
My older brother and my mother are identical except she's dark skinned and he's light. Their faces are the same. I'm next the exact opposite. Mom's coloring but dad's face. The third has dad's face and coloring. Interestingly, the ones that look alike have the same personality. As I said in another post, my dad's mom is 1/4 black, could have passed for white. Her husband and first child were dark, dark brown. Having seen such a mix in my family, it never occured to me to think about what a child might look like because my experience showed me that it was all unpredicatable.
Originally Posted by Myradella3
The bolded is exactly what happened in my family. Our third was a baby switch. She's the one in the avatar. We have no idea who she looks like. She still has very little hair. But last night I realized that she has my husband's smile.
I've seen very particular ads requesting egg donors, and I always wonder how many of the resulting children are at least 5'5 (if female), with blue eyes, 2100+ SAT scores, and basic musical talent.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
My husband always jokes that we could make a mint selling my eggs

I'm tall, blue eyed, natural 20/20 vision, naturally straight teeth, and ivy league educated.




Now if only all that crap gave me some self esteem it would be awesome
Originally Posted by cmb4314
I don't know if I could ever bring myself to sell my eggs. I'd always wonder if I had a child somewhere out there. I don't think I could ever donate my eggs.
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I'm tall, blue eyed, natural 20/20 vision, naturally straight teeth, and ivy league educated.




Now if only all that crap gave me some self esteem it would be awesome
Originally Posted by cmb4314
You are joking about the self esteem issue, right? I see the little smiley there, but I don't think you'd mention it if it wasn't at least partially true.
You're what they call 'standard american beauty' - why would you have self-esteem issues?

Courtney Love, is that you?
You're what they call 'standard american beauty' - why would you have self-esteem issues?
Originally Posted by Vagabond Davotchka
Well, this isn't so relevant, but being tall and blue-eyed aren't exactly the only qualifications for beauty.

What's more relevant is that plenty of people who have poor self-esteem range from average to very intelligent, talented, popular, good-looking, etc. Your self-esteem has to do with how you look at yourself, not how you look.

I see no reason to assume that a beautiful person (or a white person?) would have good self-esteem.

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You're what they call 'standard american beauty' - why would you have self-esteem issues?
Originally Posted by Vagabond Davotchka
Well, this isn't so relevant, but being tall and blue-eyed aren't exactly the only qualifications for beauty.

What's more relevant is that plenty of people who have poor self-esteem range from average to very intelligent, talented, popular, good-looking, etc. Your self-esteem has to do with how you look at yourself, not how you look.

I see no reason to assume that a beautiful person (or a white person?) would have good self-esteem.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
But why not? If you know you have the looks that are most coveted and thought of as beautiful - how can you go around thinking you got beauty issues? Personality or character issues I understand (wallflower, egocentric, narcissistic, aloof, etc), but beauty issues? Seems like they would be following the line 'don't hate me because I'm beautiful' as they are bound to have 'haters' right? Unattractive men get mad because they can't have you (and you turn them down), and women get angry/jealous because they can't look like you - and those are real problems I agree. They can make you upset or angry but self-esteem issues? That means that somewhere you don't think you're attractive or worthy right? I don't get that.

Does this have anything to do with competition for males? No matter how we look or fit the mold, we always have to better prettier, taller, slimmer, blonder, whatever? And if so, do lesbians have less of a problem with self-esteems issues than their hetero counterparts?

I was told once that white women who fit the standard beauty paradigm (tall, blue, blond,slim) or close to it have issues because of trying to maintain that beauty standard. It's all good when you are when young and slim but when you past 30 and gain a little weight then they get depression and beauty issues.

Then I'm told that black women have it easier because since many don't fit the standard beauty ideal, they don't have to worry in the first place. They can be who they be and leave it at that.

Not sure how I feel about that, but I'm just throwing that out there.

I don't think this is so terribly off topic. Might make for interesting conversation.
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I don't think baby genes ever crossed my mind until I got married. I did however look at how the guys I was dating treated their mom and other women. Gave me an insight on how they would treat me later on.

With our kids...we are surprised how well of a mix they are. Neither of them are twins of our baby pictures. I think my husband's family is still in shock with our son being blue eyed and blond haired like me. They never had anybody on their side that didn't have brown hair and brown eyes. :LOL:
But why not? If you know you have the looks that are most coveted and thought of as beautiful - how can you go around thinking you got beauty issues?
Originally Posted by Vagabond Davotchka
Why are people with loving families and good prospects clinically depressed?

And on top of that, where in the world are you getting that that poster 1) is beautiful, and 2) feels bad about her looks? She didn't mention that at all. I don't mean to imply that she's ugly But you're jumping to some conclusions.

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Does this have anything to do with competition for males? No matter how we look or fit the mold, we always have to better prettier, taller, slimmer, blonder, whatever? And if so, do lesbians have less of a problem with self-esteems issues than their hetero counterparts.

I've actually read many times that men instinctively prefer short women because they were the most efficient hunters and gatherers back in the day, thus better providers for their families. I've read studies that say tall women are more likely to be unmarried, and have heard tall women complain that all the tall men want short women. Being a "shorty" myself, I used to want to be taller, but when I actually started dating - no way!!

I prefer tall men, and I love the height difference. I don't want kids, but I have always wondered what height they would be if I had children with a tall partner. For a man, I think height is always a plus. For a woman... not so much. Guess it depends on the woman, but I don't buy into the current beauty standard of height at all, and would never, ever want to be a tall woman! Many tall women just act like they feel gawky and uncomfortable, esp. when they're around shorter people. Nor would I choose blue eyes and blonde hair.

I think it is much more the combination of features and just a certain indiscernable quality that makes beauty. The current standard of beauty in the U.S. is of course built upon white supremecist beliefs. No offense to blue eyed blondes, but the women I find truly dazzling: CZJ and Salma Hayek for example, don't fit the mold, and I can't even think of any attractive women that do fit that mold. Maybe it just my personal perception... I definitely don't think of myself as the pinnacle of beauty, but I would not give up my dark features for anything! I tend to gravitate to men on the opposite end of the spectrum, with light hair and features (as opposed to "tall, dark and handsome," so I may just be oddball.
But why not? If you know you have the looks that are most coveted and thought of as beautiful - how can you go around thinking you got beauty issues?
Originally Posted by Vagabond Davotchka
Why are people with loving families and good prospects clinically depressed?

And on top of that, where in the world are you getting that that poster 1) is beautiful, and 2) feels bad about her looks? She didn't mention that at all. I don't mean to imply that she's ugly But you're jumping to some conclusions.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Exactly what I was thinking.
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And on top of that, where in the world are you getting that that poster 1) is beautiful, and 2) feels bad about her looks? She didn't mention that at all. I don't mean to imply that she's ugly But you're jumping to some conclusions.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
1) I did not say the poster was beautiful. I said she has the qualities that are considered beautiful (from what she has described).

2). She mentioned something about a 'self esteem' issue. she had a smiley after so I'm sure it was said in jest. Just making convo. It's no big deal. Done.

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