View Poll Results: Taylor or Kat????
Taylor 52 70.27%
Katherine 22 29.73%
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Taylor or Katherine...who do you want to win???

Taylor and his "Soul Patrol" is just lame. I am sorry. He can only do one kind fo genre of music, and that's the karaoke night stuff, like Simon has said. Occassionally, he gets a good one in there.

Kat, well, I honestly want her to win. I think that she has so much MORE potential than Taylor. She just tries TOO hard sometimes.


All in all, Chris should have won. I think that MOST of America agrees with that. I will buy Chris' stuff, not so sure about Kat, and I don't think I will buy Taylor's. I think that he might have one album do good, but after that, I don't think that it's going to last. I don't think that Kat's will either. Again, Chris is the one who is probably going to come out on top, inspite of being voted off.
Heck, jump around on the notes w/out trying to totally belt, and you'll sound great, Kat! Leave the belting to Fantasia, who can't hit the notes as well, but figured out what really worked well with her voice.
Originally Posted by NetG
In your opinion, which female pop artist can hit the notes and belt out a song?
Originally Posted by medussa
In saying Fantasia can't hit notes as well, I was thinking specifically in that Kat is SO trained. Technically, she can be perfect. When she's not trying to belt. I think that's the same as "trying too hard" that multiple other people have said, doing too much or however the judges put it, etc. I love Fantasia, and was thrilled when she won. She's jsut not as technically correct a singer (I don't think....keeping in mind I'm no expert!) as Kat.

I didn't watch the first season, so didn't see her at what was probably her worst most of the season, but I think Kelly can. In country, Martina McBride is someone who hits me as a powerful voice, and her live performances I've seen have all seemed like she hit all notes.

Someone like Whitney-powerful voice, gorgeous voice, hits the notes. Kat is NOT in that caliber, but so few people are. She's trying to sing like she is, though, and it just doesn't work.


I honestly have no clue if Taylor hits his notes or not. His voice just lacks any sort of pleasant quality to me. And it has so much gravel, I don't notice if he's on key or not. I still just *like* him, though!

My guess is the best CDs from this season will be Elliot (because they can make him do it over until he gets the right notes, or fix it electronically), Chris, and Paris. Kat, with the quality of her voice, could probably end up with a great CD. Except I don't think she'll be willing to accept feedback enough to do so.
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-Speckla

But at least the pews never attend yoga!
Notice how not many people showed up for her when she went home? They tried to cover it by saying it's because she lives close to Hollywood but that's BS.

Elliot's whole city showed up for him!!!!
Originally Posted by Chakra
i thought that was weird too
On Rush Limbaugh: Rather than engage in the admittedly difficult task of justifying GOP policies rationally, the key to Limbaugh’s success is attracting an audience that actually yearns to be lied to.
Heck, jump around on the notes w/out trying to totally belt, and you'll sound great, Kat! Leave the belting to Fantasia, who can't hit the notes as well, but figured out what really worked well with her voice.
Originally Posted by NetG
In your opinion, which female pop artist can hit the notes and belt out a song?
Originally Posted by medussa

what does "hit the notes" mean?
On Rush Limbaugh: Rather than engage in the admittedly difficult task of justifying GOP policies rationally, the key to Limbaugh’s success is attracting an audience that actually yearns to be lied to.
Heck, jump around on the notes w/out trying to totally belt, and you'll sound great, Kat! Leave the belting to Fantasia, who can't hit the notes as well, but figured out what really worked well with her voice.
Originally Posted by NetG
In your opinion, which female pop artist can hit the notes and belt out a song?
Originally Posted by medussa

what does "hit the notes" mean?
Originally Posted by *Ani*
I think it means the opposite of singing off-key. Singing out of tune. That's what I took it to mean.
Heck, jump around on the notes w/out trying to totally belt, and you'll sound great, Kat! Leave the belting to Fantasia, who can't hit the notes as well, but figured out what really worked well with her voice.
Originally Posted by NetG
In your opinion, which female pop artist can hit the notes and belt out a song?
Originally Posted by medussa

what does "hit the notes" mean?
Originally Posted by *Ani*
I think it means the opposite of singing off-key. Singing out of tune. That's what I took it to mean.
Originally Posted by medussa
ah
On Rush Limbaugh: Rather than engage in the admittedly difficult task of justifying GOP policies rationally, the key to Limbaugh’s success is attracting an audience that actually yearns to be lied to.
I think it means the opposite of singing off-key. Singing out of tune. That's what I took it to mean.
Originally Posted by medussa
Opposite of singing on-key. :P (But, yes, singing out of tune.)

Specifically, with Kat's training, she can do scales or whatever it's called vocally, and hit multiple different notes, and be singing the correct note for each one, in tune. However, as soon as she tries to belt, she's totally off-key, because she lacks power in her voice to the point she loses the technical skill she has.

It's different from Elliot singing off-key, where he usually starts in tune and veers off-key as he goes. That's something that can be corrected in the studio by stopping and restarting when he loses it, using pitch pipes, etc.
The pews never miss a sermon but that doesn't get them one step closer to Heaven.
-Speckla

But at least the pews never attend yoga!
What is sad is that people (in general, not on this thread) accept singing out of tune as something that can be corrected in the studio.

Singing should not be about singing in tune, or even having correct technique. Those should be basics - givens. Singing should be about so much more - expressing the text, having a beautiful, moving and unique sound, creating something. Not just trying to sound like someone else.

Also, NetG, belting does not have to do with having "power" in the voice, and not being able to belt does not necessarily indicate poor technique. Belt singing is just a specific style with its own separate technique and if done properly, it works. However, so many people equate it with yelling and screaming as loud and hard as they can, which really hurts the voice.

Vocal power is partly just something you are either born with or not, but it can be developed by focussing the sound so there is less air, developing good breath management, proper vowel shapes etc. Using a microphone all the time pretty much guarantees a singer won't develop it properly.

And singing out of tune usually has to do with poor technique more even than a bad ear.
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And singing out of tune usually has to do with poor technique more even than a bad ear.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Ah, there is hope for me. Now I need to find myself a songwriter that will write something totally hot for me and I will become a one-hit wonder. :P
And singing out of tune usually has to do with poor technique more even than a bad ear.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Ah, there is hope for me. Now I need to find myself a songwriter that will write something totally hot for me and I will become a one-hit wonder. :P
Originally Posted by medussa
Yeah, you can just use auto-tuners in the studio and shake your ass in live shows to distract from the vocals, if all else fails!
Works for Ashlee Simpson!
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And singing out of tune usually has to do with poor technique more even than a bad ear.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Ah, there is hope for me. Now I need to find myself a songwriter that will write something totally hot for me and I will become a one-hit wonder. :P
Originally Posted by medussa
Yeah, you can just use auto-tuners in the studio and shake your ass in live shows to distract from the vocals, if all else fails!
Originally Posted by Amneris

Singing should not be about singing in tune, or even having correct technique. Those should be basics - givens.
Originally Posted by Amneris
That's what I thought. Any singer should be able to sing on key.

That's why I'll never be a singer, I cant sing on key because I have a "bad ear" as you say.

I would think that Fantasia sings in tune regularly just as Katherine should be able to.
On Rush Limbaugh: Rather than engage in the admittedly difficult task of justifying GOP policies rationally, the key to Limbaugh’s success is attracting an audience that actually yearns to be lied to.
I don't mean to sound like (though I know I am) I am defending Katharine to any means. I see her weaknesses. She can hit certain notes and then fades at certain points. I just like the quality of her voice. Her dancing is not good and her stylist does need a swift kick. . . she has worn a few terrible outfits. As I said, I don't think either of the last two standing have a lasting power to this sudden fame.

I find Katharine's reaction to the judge's criticism as more of a "what do you really want from me" type of reaction. They tell her one thing one week, she does that and then their criticism is completely contrary to what they said the week before. I think Paula is so biased against Katharine that her remarks (and I don't blame Katharine for her reactions) have not been constructive but more of a teenage girl jealousy (and I don't mean of her singing) type of thing. Some of Randy's comments have been lame too. The only one I have agreed with is Simon. He calls it right. . . when she is good, he tells her. When she is bad, he tells her that too. I think Katharine has just been having a hard time understanding what the judges want from her and, therefore, her frustration shows in her reactions.

When they showed the percentages last week, Katharine was the one who reached out to Taylor and Elliott in a comforting way before the name was revealed. My husband picked up on that right away.

My husband loved Chris until he got voted off. He felt he acted so arrogant like "they really didn't just call my name" in a way that really made him look bad. I'm sure he was shocked but he could have accepted his elimination with a lot more grace than he did. . . like Paris and Elliott. They both reacted with much more class.
3b/c
I have lost interest in AI this year and have missed many of the shows. I guess I lost interest when Paris got voted off. I really liked her in the beginning although she wasn't that great for many of the shows.

I'm still wondering how Kevin made it into the top 12. Does it really matter who wins? Kelly Clarkson seems to be the only idol with staying power. Where's Ruben? I haven't heard anything about Fantasia.

I'd rather Taylor wins, but I won't buy either cd.
I have lost interest in AI this year and have missed many of the shows. I guess I lost interest when Paris got voted off. I really liked her in the beginning although she wasn't that great for many of the shows.

I'm still wondering how Kevin made it into the top 12. Does it really matter who wins? Kelly Clarkson seems to be the only idol with staying power. Where's Ruben? I haven't heard anything about Fantasia.

I'd rather Taylor wins, but I won't buy either cd.
Originally Posted by tgreyz

fantasia had several top 10 r&b hits
On Rush Limbaugh: Rather than engage in the admittedly difficult task of justifying GOP policies rationally, the key to Limbaugh’s success is attracting an audience that actually yearns to be lied to.
I want Elliott to win. Oh wait, right.

I still can't believe he's not gonna be in the finale.
"It's a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done."- Harriet Beecher Stowe
\I find Katharine's reaction to the judge's criticism as more of a "what do you really want from me" type of reaction. They tell her one thing one week, she does that and then their criticism is completely contrary to what they said the week before. I think Paula is so biased against Katharine that her remarks (and I don't blame Katharine for her reactions) have not been constructive but more of a teenage girl jealousy (and I don't mean of her singing) type of thing. Some of Randy's comments have been lame too. The only one I have agreed with is Simon. He calls it right. . . when she is good, he tells her. When she is bad, he tells her that too. I think Katharine has just been having a hard time understanding what the judges want from her and, therefore, her frustration shows in her reactions.
Originally Posted by munchkin
See, I actually don't believe Katharine has listened to the judges' criticism, which is why I was annoyed at her backtalk, which I thought she tried to couch as cute and harmless but really reeked of "how could you not think I'm fabulous?!?!" The main criticism of the judges has been that she oversings. She either picks these songs that only Whitney or Christina A. should be attempting, or she wrings the life out of what should be simple melodies with endless runs and vocal acrobatics that she is not able to handle. Her vocal coach mother has probably convinced her that she can sing in this style when she can't. I actually think Paula gave her the best criticism of anyone this season. One week she told her that her "money" is the intimate vocals, not the belty stuff she likes to attempt, but of course Katharine went back to the power ballads the next week. It seems like an ego thing with her-- someone really needs to put her in check and let her know what her vocal limitations are. The judges are doing this, but she isn't listening. So they continue to flame her. Good on them I say. Hopefully she has gotten the message and we'll be spared from her shrieky notes in the finale.

I'm not crazy about Taylor, but I'm rooting for him to win, partially because I find Kat completely irritating, but mostly because he has far more musicality and authenticity when he performs (or at least when he's not "dancing").
3b/c and outta control
Neither. The top two always both get record contracts, so at this point I don't really care. I don't really like either of them. I think Katharine oversings a lot and I think Taylor has a weak voice and gets by on gimmics.

I wanted Paris and Chris to be in the top 2. Oh well. All the good singers were voted off this year and bad ones like Ace and Kelly stuck around way too long.

Someone said Chris acted really arrogant when he was voted off. I missed that show--what did he do?

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Originally Posted by subbrock
Ditto...but I will take Taylor over Katherine...she makes me wanna puke
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