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Old 04-08-2009, 07:48 AM   #1
 
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Default The Decline and Fall of Christian America...???

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Old 04-08-2009, 07:54 AM   #2
 
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Best thing that could happen to this country. We need to keep gods out of politics.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:55 AM   #3
 
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I was just reading that online.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:39 AM   #4
 
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I saw this article this morning. Got to finish reading it before I can discuss.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:44 AM   #5
 
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I'm more than OK with this.

What does "Christian America" even mean?

And did it ever even really exist?
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I am okay with this as well, but I think that this part of the article is good:

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Let's be clear: while the percentage of Christians may be shrinking, rumors of the death of Christianity are greatly exaggerated. Being less Christian does not necessarily mean that America is post-Christian. A third of Americans say they are born again; this figure, along with the decline of politically moderate-to liberal mainline Protestants, led the ARIS authors to note that "these trends … suggest a movement towards more conservative beliefs and particularly to a more 'evangelical' outlook among Christians." With rising numbers of Hispanic immigrants bolstering the Roman Catholic Church in America, and given the popularity of Pentecostalism, a rapidly growing Christian milieu in the United States and globally, there is no doubt that the nation remains vibrantly religious—far more so, for instance, than Europe.
This paragraph is basically what I was looking for while reading the article.
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Good pt
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:45 PM   #8
 
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A post-christian America?!? Sounds delightful. I hope I live to see the day.
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From Wikipedia:

Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.

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Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.

I think it bodes very well...for the end of christianity in America. As christian sects become more and more devout and entrenched in the literalness of the bible, they will lose the mainstream moderate christians. Once that happens, all that will remain are the extremists...who will become a joke (they sort of already are). The moderates would have gone on for many more generations, but it is the extremists who will make them not want to be known as christians any more.
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Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.

I think it bodes very well...for the end of christianity in America. As christian sects become more and more devout and entrenched in the literalness of the bible, they will lose the mainstream moderate christians. Once that happens, all that will remain are the extremists...who will become a joke (they sort of already are). The moderates would have gone on for many more generations, but it is the extremists who will make them not want to be known as christians any more.
Honestly, I think that's wishful thinking. Every weekend, I note the half-empty parking lot of the Episcopalian church I attend on the occasional holiday, versus the packed-to-the-gills Pentecostalist palaces occupying vast tracts of countryside.
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yeah, I think the numbers of us (extremists) are increasing.
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A pox on thee, Phoenix! Get thee to a nunnery.

Just kidding. But you knew that, right?
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yeah, I think the numbers of us (extremists) are increasing.
I can't tell. My church is growing, but it's transfer growth. I think the easy believism that has become popular in the mega-churches in my area are deceptive when it comes to actual numbers.
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A pox on thee, Phoenix! Get thee to a nunnery.

Just kidding. But you knew that, right?
Hee!
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Okay. I don't want to tease too hard or offend you. Your religion is YOUR business.
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No, it's cool.
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I am okay with this as well, but I think that this part of the article is good:

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Let's be clear: while the percentage of Christians may be shrinking, rumors of the death of Christianity are greatly exaggerated. Being less Christian does not necessarily mean that America is post-Christian. A third of Americans say they are born again; this figure, along with the decline of politically moderate-to liberal mainline Protestants, led the ARIS authors to note that "these trends … suggest a movement towards more conservative beliefs and particularly to a more 'evangelical' outlook among Christians." With rising numbers of Hispanic immigrants bolstering the Roman Catholic Church in America, and given the popularity of Pentecostalism, a rapidly growing Christian milieu in the United States and globally, there is no doubt that the nation remains vibrantly religious—far more so, for instance, than Europe.
This paragraph is basically what I was looking for while reading the article.
Well, ****. I'm nowhere near as optimistic as RCW on this. We're screwed.
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Newsweek has changed formats and become pretty stupid/inflammatory. I wouldn't take its articles too seriously. A recent cover story was, "Lincoln versus Darwin." WTF??
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