Dog Training

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So, I took my pit bull to his first formal session of dog training this morning, and guess what? He was fantastic! From his first look at the trainer, who is almost exactly my size (and a woman), he knew there was no getting away with his usual bossiness, and fell right into line.

I've been an indulgent mother. It's embarrassing! I'm proud of him, but ashamed of myself.
I really think dog training classes are more about training people than anything else. I have a reputation for being a terrible spoiler of pets. The dogs passed obedience just fine, I'm not so sure about myself.
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
Whatever you do, please stay away from "trainers" who follow Cesar Millan's techniques. Positive reinforcement is the answer.


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Northern Colombia.

Last edited by ag_613; 04-08-2009 at 03:36 PM.
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Snarls, I know! The dog is fine ---- I'm the goofball. I literally had no idea he could behave this well, thanks to my adoring ways.

ag: The trainer's never seen C.M.'s show. Nor have I. She talked about partnering, not dominating. It seemed fair minded. What's your take on C.M.'s methods?
What's your take on C.M.'s methods?
Originally Posted by ninja dog
Millan's methods are cruel and outdated.


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I've never seen his show. Is he a zapper? I read a critique that alluded to his being "extreme" in Bark magazine recently, but that's all I really know.

My trainer has me behaving in a relaxed way while controlling my boy on a leash. No choking or zapping or yanking; just handling the leash differently and issuing quiet commands. It feels like night and day. (He's still going to get half the bed at night)
Snarls, I know! The dog is fine ---- I'm the goofball. I literally had no idea he could behave this well, thanks to my adoring ways.

ag: The trainer's never seen C.M.'s show. Nor have I. She talked about partnering, not dominating. It seemed fair minded. What's your take on C.M.'s methods?
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I like that idea. That's how it was with my dog(s). We were more like partners, although if there was a conflict, *I* was the boss. (getting up on furniture that was not his, trying to eat off the table that he could literally have stood and ate at.....)

According to CM, I would be a pad owner because I allow the dog to have an opinion, so to speak. Otherwise, I think his ideas are OK. He is not abusive or mean, just very dominance-oriented.

Have fun at lessons! My dogs always loved to go, it was fun for them. Since I always had large, strong dogs, lessons were a good way to show they couldn't walk all over me (I'm petite).

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That's exactly why I'm going ---- because my bully pulled me down on Saturday (by accident).

I like that my dogs have opinions. It's funny when they give voice to their desires ("woo-woo-woo; I want to sleep beside you!"). I'm just not going to let it happen on walks with a dog that's at least half my weight anymore!
Exactly! My Samson weighed nearly as much as I did (he was 110# of BIG muscle dog in his prime) but never tried anything. I was afraid he'd literally drag me across streets to get to cats (hated them) but never did. I miss how he would complain about something he didn't want to do (low grumbling).

Oh, just watch your back! I got bit by a dog while we were walking in circles. It just jumped up and bit me in the back of my thigh! WTH! Hubby was watching, and good thing, because the dumb owner did not believe his dog did it, although I was bleeding. And then had a fit when I had to report it to the authorities--the clinic did when I went for a tetanus shot. Weird incident.

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It's private training. I feel so......privileged!(In fact, this has to do with the hours she's free, and the fact that we live in hickville, USA.)

Low grumbling is funny. My boy does it sometimes when I try to shove his big bottom over to HIS side of the bed. He prefers to sleep with as much of him as possible on me. It's sweet, for about five minutes.

Your Samson sounds like he was the best boy! He could have dragged you, but never did. Sniff, sniff. I love dogs!
Whatever you do, please stay away from "trainers" who follow Cesar Millan's techniques. Positive reinforcement is the answer.


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Originally Posted by ag_613
agree! especially with the bolded.

i also agree with the statement that it's more about training people - couldn't agree more!

i take quigley to private lessons also because he's very reactive, but we've made a lot of progress using positive reinforcement.

are you using a clicker at all or just doing a verbal marker?
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here's a great article from the american veterinary society of animal behavior about "dominance theory" in training. it includes information on the "alpha roll" too.

just fyi if anyone wants it!

link here
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Last edited by Rebecca deWinter; 04-09-2009 at 07:09 AM.
Private lessons! Lucky you! Yes, he was the best dog ever.
Someday, we may get another, but it's a hard spot to fill.

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Private lessons! Lucky you! Yes, he was the best dog ever.
Someday, we may get another, but it's a hard spot to fill.
Originally Posted by CurliLocks
Aw........
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Whatever you do, please stay away from "trainers" who follow Cesar Millan's techniques. Positive reinforcement is the answer.


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Originally Posted by ag_613
agree! especially with the bolded.

i also agree with the statement that it's more about training people - couldn't agree more!

i take quigley to private lessons also because he's very reactive, but we've made a lot of progress using positive reinforcement.

are you using a clicker at all or just doing a verbal marker?
Originally Posted by Rebecca deWinter
Just verbal markers, although I give a nudge with my knee if need be. Nothing violent, just a reminder of where exactly he should be.

But I know people swear by clickers.
Whatever you do, please stay away from "trainers" who follow Cesar Millan's techniques. Positive reinforcement is the answer.


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Originally Posted by ag_613
agree! especially with the bolded.

i also agree with the statement that it's more about training people - couldn't agree more!

i take quigley to private lessons also because he's very reactive, but we've made a lot of progress using positive reinforcement.

are you using a clicker at all or just doing a verbal marker?
Originally Posted by Rebecca deWinter
Just verbal markers, although I give a nudge with my knee if need be. Nothing violent, just a reminder of where exactly he should be.

But I know people swear by clickers.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
i do love the clicker myself when working with quigley, but that's mostly due to his personality and the nature of the things we work on.

with ruby i was just using a verbal and it worked beautifly with her.
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Do you think there's something specific about the noise of the clicker that appeals to dogs, or do they have to learn that it means they need to modify an action?
The dog is taught to associate the sound of the clicker with doing something right. Clickers are rarely used, because you can do the same with treats.


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Last edited by ag_613; 04-09-2009 at 06:39 PM.
Sorry for answering a question that wasn't directed at me.


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Northern Colombia.
Not exactly. The dog is taught to associate the sound of the clicker with doing something right.

Clickers are rarely used, because you can do the same with treats.


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Originally Posted by ag_613
actually, i use a clicker and treats. i use the clicker to mark the desired behavior, so when he hears the marker (click) he knows he done good and that a reward (usually food treat, sometimes a ball) is coming. i like using the clicker because timing is sometimes very important, so i can quickly mark the exact behavior that i want.
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