View Poll Results: Do you agree with this law?
Yes 13 46.43%
No 10 35.71%
Sort of (explain below if you like) 5 17.86%
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City Passes Harsh Law Against Illegal Immigrants

The landlords and english only provisions are ridiculous.
I also think it's ridiculous that it is assumed that illegal immigrants bring crime, when they admittedly oin the article don't know how many illegal immigrants there are or what is actually causing the crime.
Originally Posted by geeky
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Perhaps you are the one people like to jump on becaue you like to take every opportunity to remind everyone that you were the one that said Latino immigrants bring crime. Just a thought.
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Yep, this is a huge source of contention. I'm doing a rather lengthy paper on this very topic...Should the US give amnesty to all illegal immigrants?

Do y'all remember what happened in California with then Gov Pete Wilson back in '94 w/ Prop 197 & then Prop 227?

As someone else has said, it will get worse before it gets better. Something definitely needs to be done...Our healthcare is in deep doo doo...jmo
I totally agree with geeky.
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While school was still in, I was assigned a letter to my senator about house bill HR4437. It dealt with these problems, except for that idiotic English-only thing.
If the talk really was of making it our "national language", that is incredibly stupid. I live in Southern California, and believe me, there are plenty of legal immigrants who need the Spanish translations that are ubiquitous here. Besides, I feel those of us for whom English is the native tongue benefit from knowing so much Spanish through osmosis.
And how are we supposed to choose one language in a country full of immigrants anyway?
To the original question, I don't agree.
I don't agree with this law, especially the landlord part. I would be curious to read the entire text of the law as passed. There has been quite a backlash about this news so I predict they will backpedal on it.

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I don't agree with this law, especially the landlord part. I would be curious to read the entire text of the law as passed. There has been quite a backlash about this news so I predict they will backpedal on it.
Originally Posted by roseannadana
It might happen, but I wouldn't be so sure. This has been in the works quite a while, and it's been in the news, both local and national, before it passed. It has picked up more national coverage recently, so added pressure may mean something, but I'm not sure.
Under construction.
It might happen, but I wouldn't be so sure. This has been in the works quite a while, and it's been in the news, both local and national, before it passed. It has picked up more national coverage recently, so added pressure may mean something, but I'm not sure.
Originally Posted by Befrizzled
Are there local elections coming up in November? This time of year we will often see "tough on yada yada yada" laws, speeches, etc., from the politicians. Maybe this is pandering to a certain constituency?

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It might happen, but I wouldn't be so sure. This has been in the works quite a while, and it's been in the news, both local and national, before it passed. It has picked up more national coverage recently, so added pressure may mean something, but I'm not sure.
Originally Posted by Befrizzled
Are there local elections coming up in November? This time of year we will often see "tough on yada yada yada" laws, speeches, etc., from the politicians. Maybe this is pandering to a certain constituency?
Originally Posted by roseannadana
Barletta, as far as I know, hasn't decided whether he'll seek another term, but those elections will be in 2007. I'm not sure about the council members.
Under construction.
I don't think businesses should employ illegal immigrants BUT that is because businesses mostly do so in order to save on labor. There was a man here in Connecticut who owned a number of Dunkin' Donuts where he had employed illegal Portuguese immirgrants. The owner had these people working every day, more than 8 hours a day for only $250 a week. I think that guy is going to be out a ton of money and he deserves it.

As far as renting appartments to illegal immigrants... dude, I can't even afford an appartment and I've lived here my whole life! I say if the illegal immigrants can pay for these appartments let them have 'em. Does the average person who rents appartments have the time and means to check on someone's legal status? We have US citizens who thnk Puerto Ricans aren't citizens and that people who aren't citizens can't are automatically not here legally.

And the thing about all documents only being in English... that's probably the stupidest part of the whole thing. The last time I checked English is not the United States' official language, yes? Even in countries where there is an official language there are documents in other languages.
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And the thing about all documents only being in English... that's probably the stupidest part of the whole thing. The last time I checked English is not the United States' official language, yes? Even in countries where there is an official language there are documents in other languages.
Originally Posted by wonderdiana
If English is not the official language of the US then what is? Portuguese? Arabic? I sure thought it was English. Why is it so far fetched for people to come here and learn English? I have no problem with people speaking whatever language they choose but if one expects to live here and be able to live the easiest way they can, why doesn't it make sense to also learn English?

If I were to move to Poland I think it would behove me to learn Polish. I would not expect Poland or Russia or China to accomodate me just because I don't speak or refuse to learn the language. I think there needs to be a common means of communication on some level.

The problem I see is where do we draw the line to accomodate everyone who doesn't speak English? How many languages are spoken here? It's possibly in the thousands. Are we going to have every single document, government form, street sign, menu, warning label, cereal box, court report, can of rat poison etc. printed in the thousands of languages that can be spoken here? That would cost money, kill more trees and just doesn't make sense to me. So why is it so wrong to tell people they need to learn to read and speak at least some Engligh?

Is a person who speaks Amharic going to feel discriminated against because there are no Amharic forms? What is the use of keeping encouraging people who come here not to learn to read or speak English? I just don't get it.

Now you might say well there aren't many immigrants from Malawi. Are you going to tell them sorry we don't support the Chichewa language so it's either learn English to be able to live or take up Spanish because there's plenty of Spanish or French speakers who deserve to have everything else printed in Spanish or French but no not Chichewa? Why would we even print anything in Chichewa? So yeah I just don't get why it's so wrong to have everything in English. If we accomodate 2 languages why shouldn't we accomadate them all?

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Chavacano
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Chin (India)
Chinese (China)
Chinyanja (Malawi)
Chisena (Malawi)
Chokwe (Namibia)
Chol (Tumbala)
Chuave (Papua New Guinea)
Chumburung (Ghana)
Chumuru (Ghana)
Chuukese
Citak
Corsican (France)
Croatian (Croatia)
Cuna (Colombia)
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Dagbamba (Ghana)
Dagbani (Ghana)
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Dari (Iran)
Darlong (Bangladesh)
Daw (China, Laos)
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Dendi (Benin)
Ddu Alur (Uganda)
Dinka
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Dompago (Benin)
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Edo (Nigeria)
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Ekegusii
Elimbari (Papua New Guinea)
Eskimo (Canada, Alaska)
Estonian (Estonia)
Etsako (Nigeria)
Ewe (Togo)
Fante (Ghana)
Faroese
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Feri (Niger)
Fijian (Fiji)
Filipino (Philippines)
Finnish (Finland)
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If you look it up English is not the official language of the US unless that has changed within the past couple of months. There is no official language.

How many languages? I don't know. Go to one of the EU countries and see how many languages they have on all of their documents. I mean, seriously... what difference does it make as long as a language you understand it on there?
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This wikipedia link has some interesting info about the official language debate for those who are interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languag..._United_States

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This wikipedia link has some interesting info about the official language debate for those who are interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languag..._United_States
Originally Posted by roseannadana
Thanks for the article. I remember there being a move towards making English the official language but wasn't sure how far that had gotten.
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