View Poll Results: What box do you check?
Black 32 19.75%
White 84 51.85%
Spanish/Hispanic/Latino 12 7.41%
Asian 5 3.09%
Native American 2 1.23%
Other 27 16.67%
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So what are ya?!

I am like Jazzi my father is honduran but hes still black. He told we a funny story that when he was born in the 50's my grandparents had to convince the hospital that my grandmother was hispanic(shes really dark) so she could deliver my father in the white hospital. So to end the post I think I am black I am just a half black latina if that makes since.
Originally Posted by hondurancurly123
I have a similar background. But I know when I walk out the door, people see a Black girl so that is what I feel I am. Always have felt that way and always will.
I am like Jazzi my father is honduran but hes still black. He told we a funny story that when he was born in the 50's my grandparents had to convince the hospital that my grandmother was hispanic(shes really dark) so she could deliver my father in the white hospital. So to end the post I think I am black I am just a half black latina if that makes since.
Originally Posted by hondurancurly123
I have a similar background. But I know when I walk out the door, people see a Black girl so that is what I feel I am. Always have felt that way and always will.
Originally Posted by Meghuney
That makes sense to me too... I look and people identify me as only white, so I have never checked "Native American" although that is a fairly large part of my background... I would almost feel wrong checking that, like I'm lying, because I don't know very much about that part of my history...

BTW, Meg, I don't just see a black girl in your pic; you look latina/black to me. But I guess the box you check is the box you want to check and what you feel you are I feel the same way too.

This thread is very confusing
Very interesting everyone, thanks to everyone that replied.
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Meghuney wrote:

GabbyC wrote:

I identify as Black.

My father is white and my mother is black. I am 1/8 Choctaw Indian, but that is not enough Indian to claim to avoid being black

In addition, I claim black even though my father is white because I was raised by my black mother, with my black sisters and brother and as my mother has always said, "People will never see you as anything else but black."

So there you have it
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alright, obvisouly subbrock has some "splainin'" to do.

#1. standard american english- for those of you who have tied a negative stigma to NOT speaking SAE, thats your own problem. but ive taken many a linguistic course in college and in addition to life experiences, and in turn have learned there are different dialects of english. british english, black american english, ebonics, spanish american english, southern dialects, east coast, west coast dialects, etc. never once have i devalued any of these dialects or claimed that "black people speak ebonics. ebonics is bad. im not black. therefore subbrock is good." and i think thats the conclusion alot of you have jumped to on your own.

#2. i wasnt raised with music in the home. so zoe's assumption about my growing up with pop music is also wrong. my parents didnt listen to secular music. if anything, mainly contemporary christian. to this day i dont know the words to alot of songs that most "black" people grew up with. even with religiouus songs because we didnt go to a predominately "black" church.

#3. what someone looks like is all in the eye of the beholder. apparently to the majority of the people ive met in real life, i dont look obviously black. and my parents have also been questioned throughout theyre lives too. my dad's drivers license even says "other" because unbeknownst to him, the person at the dmv couldnt figure out what category to put him in. instead of asking he decided that my dad was "other". on a daily basis someone asks me "what are you?" so there are people out there who dont simply say, she has brown skin so she's black. ive even had people question whether or not i was an american. which i think is just odd.

#4. i grew up in michigan. im not native to nc or its 38% black population. and when i first moved here i was in culture shock because id never seen so many black people in my entire life. where i lived there wasnt even a radio station that played any "black" music. the cable company even eliminated mtv for a while. go figure.

#5 never once did my parents tell me "youre black because thats all anyone is ever going to think you are." apparently thats just not how we roll.

so in a nutshell, there are a few of you who have passed your own judgements and assumptions on to how i choose to categorize myself. what youve responded with are words that sounds like i (a) disassociate myself with blacks (2) am ashamed of my heritage (3) made judgements on how people ive come in contact with view my race and (4) believe that in my mind not always identifying with black places a higher value on myself.

i forgive you for your assumptions. trust me, i know how race ethnicity and classification strikes a chord with so many people (especially with people of color). i think next time, maybe instead of being snarky, sarcastic, etc just simply asking for more information on why i feel the way i do would be more effective. but in the end, if i want to check "purple people eater" on forms, it really is my choice, and you dont have to be comfortble with it.

edited due to spelling errors
Although I will admit to (silently, to myself) judging and questioning your original posts, Subbrock, this is the sound of me clapping for you based on the reply that you just posted. <insert clapping sound>

Well done.

PS. All of this baggage and drama over blackness really sucks. It just gets really tired after a while.
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Although I will admit to (silently, to myself) judging and questioning your original posts, Subbrock, this is the sound of me clapping for you based on the reply that you just posted. <insert clapping sound>

Well done.

PS. All of this baggage and drama over blackness really sucks. It just gets really tired after a while.
Originally Posted by life~curls
thanks life curls. im glad i was able to clarify myself to at least one person!
I was really impressed by your response as well. And totally understand where you're coming from, as I was raised in a white rural community as well and often get asked "What are you?"
Subbrock Wrote:

#5 never once did my parents tell me "youre black because thats all anyone is ever going to think you are." apparently thats just not how we roll.
My mother meant that in terms of race, not life. And she did it with the best of intentions to protect me from current and future problems like an identity crisis and self-hate. So that's how we roll.

Now Subbrock, I don't think anyone was passing judgement on you or being sarcastic and snarky in their posts. You threw everybody for a loop when you posted your parents only speaking standard american english and seemingly disassociating that attribute from blacks. As far as whether or not you look black is as you said: Perception or in the eye of the beholder.

To be perfectly honest, I just felt kind of sorry for you Subbrock. But you seem to really believe what your saying so more power to you and your right, who are we to tell you your black?
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Subbrock Wrote:

#5 never once did my parents tell me "youre black because thats all anyone is ever going to think you are." apparently thats just not how we roll.
My mother meant that in terms of race, not life. And she did it with the best of intentions to protect me from current and future problems like an identity crisis and self-hate. So that's how we roll.
Originally Posted by GabbyC
thats so ironic, because there is this 16 yr old biracial girl at my parents church who is going through the whole "identity crisis" thing. her family/my family thought it would be a good idea if i would serve as a mentor to her about being comfortable in your own skin. it makes me proud to realize that there are people who see me as a good model for being who you are, with no apologies. not everything is black and white (pun intended).


ooh i have a question for those of you who were told by your parents, "People will never see you as anything else but black." do you see that as a self fulfilling prophecy or from your experiences is that how your life has been? and how has that positively and/or negatively impacted your life?
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Subbrock Wrote:

#5 never once did my parents tell me "youre black because thats all anyone is ever going to think you are." apparently thats just not how we roll.
My mother meant that in terms of race, not life. And she did it with the best of intentions to protect me from current and future problems like an identity crisis and self-hate. So that's how we roll.
Originally Posted by GabbyC
thats so ironic, because there is this 16 yr old biracial girl at my parents church who is going through the whole "identity crisis" thing. her family/my family thought it would be a good idea if i would serve as a mentor to her about being comfortable in your own skin. it makes me proud to realize that there are people who see me as a good model for being who you are, with no apologies. not everything is black and white (pun intended).


ooh i have a question for those of you who were told by your parents, "People will never see you as anything else but black." do you see that as a self fulfilling prophecy or from your experiences is that how your life has been? and how has that positively and/or negatively impacted your life?
Originally Posted by subbrock
I think it's true. People here in the deep SOUTH...again, I think that makes the biggest difference in the WORLD - look at me and see a Black girl. That's the truth. I don't think it's such a big deal. It's just how it is. It's how I relate and it was how I related anyway. I don't think it's a bad thing. My parents were just letting me know beforehand and I even tried to resist it at first. Looked at myself as a person first - blah, blah. But when I continually got the "ni**er" comments from people..you begin to realize a few things. But those are MY experiences..I can't speak for anyone else.
This thread reminds me of the book Who is Black by F. James Davis. This book touches on the so-called "one-drop rule" that implies one doesn't even have to be 1/2 black to be considered "black"by definition. It's an interesting read for anyone whose interested.
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I also thank subbrock for her contribution and answering our wonderings in a way that was meant to inform. As I was one of those doing the outloud wondering, I also dont think anyone was being snarky (i hate that word, lol, but it fits) we were just confused. And our wonderings come from our perspectives and you are right, not everyone comes from the same perspectives.

I still have wonderings about your perspective, (cause im still confused) I just dont know how to phrase them so they dont sound offensive to you or judgmental, so ill keep them to myself

thanks again
apparently to the majority of the people ive met in real life, i dont look obviously black.
The majority of people you've met in your life have discussed your "race" with you? I've never heard of such a thing.

BTW, I know some really light skinned black friends with euro features but to me you don't fit in that category. You have medium brown skin and pretty obvious African features.

I guess people in Michigan have a hard time deciphering ordinary black folks.
I also wanted to add that I get the "what are you" question also and when i say black its usually not accepted. But I think that has to do with my hair (which is obviously curly). I got that question less if not at all when I wore my hair straight.

Have you gotten that response more or less since you went natural?
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BTW, I know some really light skinned black friends with euro features but to me you don't fit in that category. You have medium brown skin and pretty obvious African features.
That's exactly what I thought when I looked at her album. I had my girlfriend look with me to verify I don't need glasses But I suppose we could be wrong?
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