View Poll Results: The ugly, the ugly and the Fugly. Does it exist?
Yes, there are truly ugly people out there 61 92.42%
No, I've never seen/met a truly ugly person 5 7.58%
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All this talk about beauty...What about the ugly people?

Here are two celebrity examples.

1) Sarah Jessica Parker. I used to think she was pretty darn unattractive. I hesitate to say the word ugly because I really just thought she looked very equine. She as done something though, I can't place my thumb on it, that has made her much better looking lately.



2) Prince Charles. I think he's very unattractive as well. In my mind as I type this I'm saying "I think he's ugly" but I can't make myself just come out and type the word.



But I'm sure there are others who would disagree with me on both of these people.[/img]
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ok fine. he's ugly but I did find pictures of him where he looked better. Ugly CAN clean up.
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Originally Posted by Bianca
A part of my point exactly. If beauty exists, then it stands to reason that ugly does too. Everything has an opposite.
SJP is a good example...many people think she's ugly, and its interesting to note that I've only heard women say that. Every man I"ve asked thinks shes very attractive. Yes, she has the nose and the horse face, but the girls got killer eyes, hair, and body. If a man finds that many things that he likes, its all good.

I think SJP is a very attractive woman (too many people think I look like her, I have to think that).

"Don't play me...I'm over 30, and I don't smoke weed"
-Prince

I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.
I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.
Originally Posted by Kenzie_06
Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

And I think that makes me think the way I do when I see people who are unattractive. Automatically I look for good things, like "Oh, she's got great eyes, lips, etc.".
Ah, middle school is such a special, horrible time. I was considered extremely unattractive in middle school, and the butt of much cruelty. Thank God for maturity.

As for the original post, I don't think there is anyone who cannot exploit their looks to an advantage. And I'm not talking about masking one's flaws either, I can find aesthetic pleasure in faces and bodies which deliberately command my attention even if they are not tradtionally attractive. I believe in working it!
Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

I know how you feel. When I started high school in a new school district, I remember this group of boys making fun of me because I had a rapid pallate expander which created a gap in b/w my front teeth, and because my hair started growing in really curly and I couldn't manage it. When the expander came out and my hair settled down, it was like night and day. They also found out around that time that I was part of a family that is sort of a legend in the school (not bragging cause I really don't understand the big to-do), so I think that helped. Just silliness, IMO. The degree of shallowness in some people is just amazing.
I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.
Originally Posted by Kenzie_06
Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

And I think that makes me think the way I do when I see people who are unattractive. Automatically I look for good things, like "Oh, she's got great eyes, lips, etc.".
Originally Posted by Meghuney
But what I want to ask you Meg, putting aside the fact that the word ugly is ugly....can you agree that ugly must exist if beauty does? ...the same way you can think or say someone is beautiful, surely, it cant be such a great sin if there are people you also think are the opposite of beautiful? We can even look at it subjectively, but the fact is, there ARE people in this world who everyone of us will think arent pleasing to look at, the same way there are people we would look at all day.

BTW, I'm not saying anyone should walk around calling people ugly or treating anyone badly because they THINK they are ugly.
SJP is a good example...many people think she's ugly, and its interesting to note that I've only heard women say that. Every man I"ve asked thinks shes very attractive. Yes, she has the nose and the horse face, but the girls got killer eyes, hair, and body. If a man finds that many things that he likes, its all good.

I think SJP is a very attractive woman (too many people think I look like her, I have to think that).

Originally Posted by j'adore
That's funny - I've had the opposite experience where most men that have mentioned her to me have said very unflattering things (ranging from "horse face" to "she looks like Rocky Dennis from the movie Mask") and most women have said flattering things about her.

I don't think she's got the most attractive face in the world but she does pretty well with what she's got -- her clothes, body, hair and makeup are always outstanding. She's got an incredible sense of style and wicked nice hair. She's actually my hair idol.
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the fact is, there ARE people in this world who everyone of us will think arent pleasing to look at, the same way there are people we would look at all day.
IMO a lot of it is not universal, but cultural & conditioning.

I used to think Marilyn Monroe was gorgeous. Now when I see footage of her, I don't see it at all... I even think she's kind of freakish.
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isn't SJP extremely bowlegged? can she even close her legs?
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the fact is, there ARE people in this world who everyone of us will think arent pleasing to look at, the same way there are people we would look at all day.
IMO a lot of it is not universal, but cultural & conditioning.

I used to think Marilyn Monroe was gorgeous. Now when I see footage of her, I don't see it at all... I even think she's kind of freakish.
Originally Posted by Castella
When I said everyone of us, I didnt mean collectively, I meant individually, according to culture, etc. For me, sometimes culture has nothing to do with it, because some of the people who are considered to be "hot" or beautiful by the rest of the world, I dont find remotely pleasing to look at.
I have not read through all the posts so forgive me if you've seen this before:

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SJP is a good example...many people think she's ugly, and its interesting to note that I've only heard women say that. Every man I"ve asked thinks shes very attractive. Yes, she has the nose and the horse face, but the girls got killer eyes, hair, and body. If a man finds that many things that he likes, its all good.

I think SJP is a very attractive woman (too many people think I look like her, I have to think that).

Originally Posted by j'adore
That's funny - I've had the opposite experience where most men that have mentioned her to me have said very unflattering things (ranging from "horse face" to "she looks like Rocky Dennis from the movie Mask") and most women have said flattering things about her.

I don't think she's got the most attractive face in the world but she does pretty well with what she's got -- her clothes, body, hair and makeup are always outstanding. She's got an incredible sense of style and wicked nice hair. She's actually my hair idol.
Originally Posted by velvet paws
I've had the same as VP.

I think SJP just gets better with age, too. She's one of those women you see and think must *just* love life and live a good life the way she keeps getting more attractive!
The pews never miss a sermon but that doesn't get them one step closer to Heaven.
-Speckla

But at least the pews never attend yoga!
Is SJP Jewish? She has a look that I see in a lot of Jewish girls, especially in her earlier photographs.

With regards to the ugly thing, I would agree that, if beauty exists, ugliness must exist also. But, I don't think ugliness must be restricted to pure external looks. And I would be hesitant to call people ugly. There is a young woman who lives next to me and she is very hard on the eyes, to say the least. I think it has to do more with how she carries herself and even wears her hair (very matronly). Her exterior appearance is obviously not a priority to her (she dresses decently, but plain). But, I can see in her some beautiful qualities: gentleness, patience, peace and modesty. She also has thick, beautiful natural hair. She is at peace with herself in ways that most people aren't. And because of that, I challenge myself to look at her differently.

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