Help! Puppy won't sleep @ night! & other problems...

Oh, don't give up yet! It's hard going from a quiet, well-trained, beloved older dog to a rambunctious young puppy, and I know sleep deprivation is no fun . . . We forget how difficult puppies can be. The last puppy I had, I found myself thinking, "I HATE PUPPIES!!!" But only at times . . .

You've gotten some good advice here already,but I'll add a few things from my experiences with dogs.

In addition to treats to go in the crate, crating some during the day, etc., I also always fed my puppies their meals in their crates, so they had that pleasant association also.

I had a crate in the bedroom, always have had. For one, it let me know if puppy was restless and needed to go outside (though I tried to set an alarm and let him/her out at a regular time if they weren't old enough to make it all night). Dogs like to sleep near their pack.

I TOTALLY disagree about having a puppy in the bed with you. Not a good idea for so many reasons. Though I do allow my adult dogs on the bed, they have to wait for an invitation and must get off whenever I say. My next dog -- I think we won't have any more dogs in the bed. Just tired of the dog hair, even from spanking clean dogs.

Though I do like the dog in the bedroom, they must learn to be alone -- crating during the day when you're home can help with that. I'd keep a crate in the kitchen and one in the BR.

And please don't give in to the temptation to let a puppy stay uncrated when you can't supervise. Yes, you will have a destroyed kitchen. And all the bad feelings that come with that.

YOu say he is 4 months old? That's part of the difficulty. I think an older puppy is much harder to integrate into the family than a younger one -- though not at all impossible to do, just more difficult. Be patient!

Another book recommendation: How To Raise a Puppy You Can Live With (Rutherford & Neill) -- available on Amazon.com. Has all kinds of good stuff, including a fair amt. of detail on crate training.

Good luck -- tough it out. Be sure you're not responding with ANY attention at all when he's crying/whining in the crate, including telling him to hush. He ONLY should get attention/let out when he is silent. Wait for the moment when he is quiet, then let him out and praise.

Total consistency with this has taught many a dog that the silent dog earns freedom -- the yapping dog stays put!

You might also want to look into a trainer -- to help train you to train him, esp. since you sound frustrated with him. He may require pretty different techniques than you were used to with your old friend . . .
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Oh, don't give up yet! It's hard going from a quiet, well-trained, beloved older dog to a rambunctious young puppy, and I know sleep deprivation is no fun . . . We forget how difficult puppies can be. The last puppy I had, I found myself thinking, "I HATE PUPPIES!!!" But only at times . . .

.....You might also want to look into a trainer -- to help train you to train him, esp. since you sound frustrated with him. He may require pretty different techniques than you were used to with your old friend . . .
Originally Posted by fig jam
I'll be looking for a trainer soon, or puppy lessons, but he needs all the vaccines first. 2-3 more weeks to go until then.

LOL @ the bolded. I was SO there last night! Yes, I had forgotten how much work and trouble puppies can be, but then I got spoiled with 2 great ones in the past. I miss them both.

I'm thinking PITA or Booger fits him right now.

Thanks for all the great replies. I am going to go buy that warming buddy now before they close. Can't hurt to have a cuddle buddy in the crate.

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Ha ha! Pita! Poor little Booger . . .

Good luck, and I hope the Cuddle Buddy is indestructible!

I had one of those "wild ones" after having had a couple of dream puppies -- he challenged everything I thought I knew about dogs. As Cesar Millan says, you don't always get the dog you want, but you get the dog you need.

It was true for me. I ended up loving that dog like no other (maybe because we went through so much together in our relationship, ha ha) and was absolutely heartbroken when he died ridiculously young (age 5).

I'll keep the good thought for ya both! (The record squaller in my house went three nights -- here's hoping that's the end of it for you, too.)
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Definitely crate train him. This is a helpful website on crate training. He is a puppy and isn't used to the crate, you can't expect him to be perfectly fine with it without training him to be.
Make sure he gets plenty of exercise during the day, including a walk.
As for putting the crate in your bedroom, that is totally up to you.
Originally Posted by Curls=Beauty
We play with him a lot out back, but he can't go for walks until he gets his last DHLLP(?) shot and rabies shot. He'll be 4 months in 2 weeks.

Thanks for the link, I'm not sure if I saw that one in my searching. We always wait for him to settle down before letting him out at night, and only to potty and go back inside. We don't use it to punish him at all, and try not to stuff him in and slam the door! But no matter how tired he seems, he wakes up and barks all night.
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

As soon as you can start taking him on a walk-it will help.
I know it's pretty hard at first, it does get better. After our last puppy we had, we swore no more puppies! lol! Just too much work to get them house trained, crate trained, trained in general, teach them to walk on a leash properly, take them out to the bathroom so often etc. But I do love them so!
fig jam gave great advice.
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fig jam - so true, all of it! I hope it's the end of the sleepless nights too.

But I think DH let him sleep the whole time I was gone at the store. I just gave him a new toy to keep him busy, but he fell asleep. I think I'll try to get him in the crate again since he's sleepy anyway. Then bring him out for potty and a romp to tire out again for the long night.

Oh, the toy has nooks like a Kong and I got the squeeze cheese peanut butter, so maybe that will keep him busy until he falls asleep.
I'm so tired, I'm ready for bed now! And it's only 7 pm!

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Got him into the crate with hotdog bits and the new toy! He fell asleep, woke up and gave a couple of very low whines, and fell back asleep. So far so good, it's been an hour. Unfortunately, we'll have to put him out before we go to bed or he won't last the night. Or I'll just wait until he cries later if he's sleeping well when I go to bed, which is going to be very soon. Wish us luck for the night!

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Our Lucy was 2 months old when we got her. The crying/barking was intense, but it only lasted for a few nights, tops. Definitely less than a week, if I remember correctly. I was actually surprised at how little time it took.

It subsided considerably when we moved the crate into our bedroom. Like someone else here, we also used a cloth to cover the crate. She sleeps in her crate downstairs nowadays.

Last edited by sinistral55; 09-13-2009 at 10:23 PM.
Got him into the crate with hotdog bits and the new toy! He fell asleep, woke up and gave a couple of very low whines, and fell back asleep. So far so good, it's been an hour. Unfortunately, we'll have to put him out before we go to bed or he won't last the night. Or I'll just wait until he cries later if he's sleeping well when I go to bed, which is going to be very soon. Wish us luck for the night!
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

No, no, no! You want to avoid, if you can, taking him out in response to a cry. Wake him up and take him out before you go to bed . . . if you still think he won't make it after that, set an alarm for middle of the night and wake him again. Better YOU be in control than HIM. He'll also start learning he goes out when he's quiet. Not when he cries.
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Even older dogs need someone when you bring them into a new house. We had to sleep out in the living room with Angus when we got him. His crate is in the living room we made sure he knew that was his sleep space a few days and he settled in. A younger one I would have put the crate in the bedroom, just easier for me when he would need to go outside.

You might be able to move the crate out farther from you to its final spot as he gets older and in more control of bathroom time and as he gets comfy in your house and with you. He's scared and unsure so he's also testing you to see if you are really gonna take him as one of the pack. Respect is being earned both ways right now.

No to doggy in the bed. Invited to snuggle but always sleeps in his crate. Bigger dogs it has to be this way and if you have other pets.

Don't get mad you will get frustrated its ok. Ignore the bad and praise the good.
fig jam, right again. I'm so tired I'm not thinking clearly. I just didn't want to wake the sleeping Dragon! I will put him out before bed.

PT, if he hollers all night tonight, I will bring the crate to the room. We did clear a space behind the bed for it. But I'd like to give it one more night in the kitchen. He will most likely sleep in our room later (not on the bed) but only when he's proven safe.

It's been a couple of hours and he's been quiet. I hear him stir but he hasn't whined. DH and I are watching TV in the living room off the kitchen (he's actually in the dining area, like a breakfast nook.) I think he's so exhausted after the last 2 nights, he might sleep quietly.

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fig jam, right again. I'm so tired I'm not thinking clearly. I just didn't want to wake the sleeping Dragon! I will put him out before bed.
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

Hee -- I know that feeling! Maybe that's why you should keep his name . . .
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I so hope it went better last night. I am whispering in case they are all still sleeping (I think they should be - they are in CA right?).
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We got a 4 month old rescue who was a really difficult puppy in some ways (although really easy in other ways - she was the easiest puppy to housetrain that I've ever had). The crate training website and figjam both have good advice for you.

Lucie would cry and cry and cry in her crate at night, as figjam said, it's important to not go down and let him out when he's crying. I remember in the morning lying there waiting for her to stop crying so I could go let her out. If she didn't settle down at night when we crated her, I would go down and tap on the top of the crate and say 'Quiet.' and then leave. Being consistent with not letting her out or giving her any type of attention when she was crying worked pretty quickly. Also, giving him a tshirt that you have worn to sleep with can be helpful, as it smells like you.

Make sure the crate is partitioned off so that he has room to turn around and lie down (so he won't pee/poop in his crate) and try feeding him in his crate a few times to give him a positive experience with it. We used to do some training with the crate too, standing next to it, saying 'Crate.' and throwing a treat in so she would run in after it. Lucie never really turned into a dog who loves their crate - it's rare that I will catch her in there of her own accord, but she does get in willingly when we give the command.

Also - cheese is a miracle training tool, Lucie will do about anything for some cheese.
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Thanks for the links AG, it's going to take me a while to read it all.

Pup slept better last night, was actually quiet most of the time. At least we got some sleep. He actually went into the crate and slept for a bit today on his own.

But he did not like the leash we tried today, to keep him out of the plants. Although I gave him plenty of time, and thought he didn't have to go because he had recently....he came in and peed on the floor!

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I'm glad to hear you got some sleep, everything seems better when you're rested! There has been a lot of good advice on this thread, as well as some excellent book recommendations. You'll be busy!

I've always had my dogs in my bedroom, either crated or not (depending on the dog) but they only come on the bed when invited. I like having them near me, and I think it helps them to fell like part of the family. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, just my personal opinion. If you prefer your pup to sleep in another room, then stick to your guns, it'll be harder to train him to do it if you give in now.

Good luck with your puppy, and let us know how it goes. The first few days are trying, but they're just so much fun to have around! I miss puppies
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The treat in the crate is a great idea. And if you find a safe toy(can't be eaten when it breaks) or a loaded kong that he likes maybe giving him one when goes in on his own. "I get good stuff when I go in there by myself"

Or Angus gets to take a safe chew toy with him. Spikey ball, Woof ball, or his EKong(extreme). The ones I know he can't destroy. So if he wakes up and we are still sleeping he has something to do for a while..

And to get him used to a leash/collar and what type of leash you may need I have bunches of suggestions. None of them involve the a choke chain or that prong collar either. I ran the range since I have a "Power Puller", its just part of his breed, they pull for fun.. But treat, treat, treat every time you hook him up so a leash is a good thing in his mind.

You are doing great I feel a bit jealous actually since I missed some of the baby puppy stuff that you are going through.

Last edited by PT_Cuda; 09-14-2009 at 07:12 PM.
SO glad you got some rest last night!

And it's great to see so many knowledgeable dog folks on here. Kisses to all the puppies, young and old!
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there are a lot of responses...i didn't read them all, just responding quickly....

- make sure he's got a nice blanket in his crate
- put some soft toys in his crate
- i always gave my boys a little treat before bed
- i used a little night light so they would feel like it was completely dark and scary
- take them to potty before bed and get up earlier to let them out in the morning

now that both of my boys are trained, they sleep out of the crate in my bedroom on the floor at night. i have one early riser and one that likes to sleep in like me. on a side note, is it wrong to want to wake up my early riser when he naps as i get ready after we've all gotten up.
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there are a lot of responses...i didn't read them all, just responding quickly....

- make sure he's got a nice blanket in his crate
- put some soft toys in his crate
- i always gave my boys a little treat before bed
- i used a little night light so they would feel like it was completely dark and scary
- take them to potty before bed and get up earlier to let them out in the morning

now that both of my boys are trained, they sleep out of the crate in my bedroom on the floor at night. i have one early riser and one that likes to sleep in like me. on a side note, is it wrong to want to wake up my early riser when he naps as i get ready after we've all gotten up.
Originally Posted by luvmylocs
Yep, I'd wake him up! And we have done all of the above, it seems to be getting better. He has been resting in his crate several times today without any fuss! But nighttime is still different.

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