Help! Puppy won't sleep @ night! & other problems...

there are a lot of responses...i didn't read them all, just responding quickly....

- make sure he's got a nice blanket in his crate
- put some soft toys in his crate
- i always gave my boys a little treat before bed
- i used a little night light so they would feel like it was completely dark and scary
- take them to potty before bed and get up earlier to let them out in the morning

now that both of my boys are trained, they sleep out of the crate in my bedroom on the floor at night. i have one early riser and one that likes to sleep in like me. on a side note, is it wrong to want to wake up my early riser when he naps as i get ready after we've all gotten up.
Originally Posted by luvmylocs
Yep, I'd wake him up! And we have done all of the above, it seems to be getting better. He has been resting in his crate several times today without any fuss! But nighttime is still different.
Originally Posted by CurliLocks
since dogs are pack animals they like to sleep that way too. during the day he can rest because he can see and hear y'all but at night him sleeping alone probably seems scarey. i used to keep my bedroom door open so i could make him feel like i was closer. again as soon as they each were trained i let them stay out of the crate and near me (and each other) at night.
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And to get him used to a leash/collar and what type of leash you may need I have bunches of suggestions. None of them involve the a choke chain or that prong collar either. I ran the range since I have a "Power Puller", its just part of his breed, they pull for fun.. But treat, treat, treat every time you hook him up so a leash is a good thing in his mind.

You are doing great I feel a bit jealous actually since I missed some of the baby puppy stuff that you are going through.
Originally Posted by PT_Cuda
You want him?
Leash tips would be great, he hates the leash and will just sit when I put it on. Just sit.....forever.... no moving.

He is just SO different than my other guys, it's really challenging.

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Leash tips would be great, he hates the leash and will just sit when I put it on. Just sit.....forever.... no moving.

He is just SO different than my other guys, it's really challenging.
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

Treats and praise. T&P to get him moving, T&P for heeling on your left side, T&P for sitting on command, T&P for moving again, etc. You need a pocketfull of treats and to spend a half hour working on leash with him each day, and he'll be great before you know it.
Hrmmm....

Leash training is pretty easy, but it takes a while. Once your dog makes the associative connection between behavior and treats, it's all in the bag from there (assuming your dog is food-motivated).

You need a yard or an empty field. You can teach "sit" "stay" "come" and "no pulling" in one afternoon if your timing is right. Wear a fanny pack with cheese/treats and put on your biggest smile. That's all there is to it, really. The rest of behavioral training is just maintenance and follow-through.

Good luck.
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I do know the basic leash routines, but I had no problems with my other guys. This one is different. He's not afraid of it, just sits. We're working on more stuff each day, didn't want to overwhelm him the first 2 days. I think I'm overwhelmed too! Maybe I'm too old for babies! lol

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Question: How do I keep him from eating every leaf he finds outside?! He'd rather eat that than his kibble, and it's the same one he was getting before. That's why we tried the leash today, better than yelling NO every time he grabs a leaf. We don't really have a way to block the garden off as there are 2 large areas. Maybe a really long roll of chicken wire or something stretched across the yard. DH thought of a long rope on a tether hook in the middle of the lawn.

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I do know the basic leash routines, but I had no problems with my other guys. This one is different. He's not afraid of it, just sits. We're working on more stuff each day, didn't want to overwhelm him the first 2 days. I think I'm overwhelmed too! Maybe I'm too old for babies! lol
Originally Posted by CurliLocks
Hee, Lucie used to just sit too. Don't pull, because if you pull one way, their instinct is to pull the other way. Just stand in front of him with a treat and call, once he moves towards you, give him the treat, praise praise praise and slowly walk backwards luring him with another treat.
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Ha -- he's just different, is all. Dogs really vary widely in personality and temperament, and although the basics apply to all dogs, you often have to get pretty creative with the training tricks.

he's not too young to try clicker training -- what I like about clicker training is (a) it improves our timing tremendously (b) it can easily be used to teach the puppy the most important lesson of all -- learning new stuff is fun!!

Break everything down into super tiny tiny steps and reward for the littlest move in the right direction. Keep his sessions VERY short and sweet -- end on a high note (success) -- the temptation for most people is to keep on training when the puppy is doing well, then he gets tired, starts balking or making mistakes, and you end on a sour note. The lesson he takes away: training with you ain't no fun at all.

Their attention spans are very, very short, also, at that age. They fatigue easily (psychologically, anyway). So a trianing session should be 5 minutes or so at this age, maybe 10 tops. You can do lots in a day, just each session should be very short.

Leash training? At this age I would NOT be teaching precision work like heeling. I would teach leash manners like no tugging, stay behind or beside me, never in front of me. No mouthing the leash.

If he's just sitting, I would find a very favored treat (like the hot dogs) and literally lure him into motion. Treat and praise after only a few steps forward. He will most likely follow his nose to the treat -- just happens to be wearing the leash. Gradually increase the steps he's moving forward -- dont' be in a hurry to discontinue the treats -- remember "successive approximation" is your goal here.

Seriously, get a book on clicker training and/or the How To Raise a Puppy You Can Live With book. It's inexpensive and covers all those motivational basics.

Patience, patience, patience. Don't get frustrated -- he'll feel it. Don't rush him but consistently work with him each day. See how fast he's catching on to the crate??!

Keep a little training chart so you can see the progress when you get discouraged.
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Patience, patience, patience. Don't get frustrated -- he'll feel it. Don't rush him but consistently work with him each day. See how fast he's catching on to the crate??!

Keep a little training chart so you can see the progress when you get discouraged.
Originally Posted by fig jam
Thank you. I should print this and post it on the refrigerator!
I think he is a very smart pup, so hopefully we will get some successes soon and bond better. I'm sure most of his sassy stuff is just normal puppy stuff, curiosity and all.

Thanks to all of you for the tips and encouragement. I feel like a failure because I'm letting this get to me. I've raised a few great dogs and really do know most of what to do, but it's been so long since I had a pup, and a sassy one at that! And I know there are always new ideas of how to deal with old problems.

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I think you probably do have a very smart puppy -- they are often the most difficult to handle because the wheels are constantly turning, turning, turning. They often tend to be "reactive" and sometimes, like my beloved dog who died too young, a real smart a*s*s kind of dog.

But, after you put in the work, they can also be the most fun and rewarding. Real partners.

He may be a more dominant personality than you are accustomed to, in which case consistency becomes even more important, or more high energy, or . . .

I can't emphasize enough how very, very difficult it can be to transition from the older dog to a puppy. You are feeling it now and I hope realize how natural it is. You had your old friend for such a long, long time and you loved him so much . . . your most recent memories are of the calm, quiet dog who fit into your life like a glove.

It's so tempting to make the comparison, even subconsciously, but it's not fair to you or the new pup or the new relationship you are building with him.

He's just a little blank slate, learning all the time, every second he is learning something. You want to ensure that what he learns is the lessons you want him to know.

Take a deep breath; center your own energy before you work with him. When you find yourself getting frustrated, take another deep breath or a time out if need be . . . He will read your energy like a book, believe me.

Big hug to you for working with him . . . it will get easier but remember you are laying the foundation now. The work you do now will pay off tremendously and it WILL get easier as the foundation gets stronger. The work you DON'T do now will not pay off -- it will make you pay!

Think of "What About Bob?" -- baby steps! Ha!

To add: if this will help, I mentioned my smartypants dog. I had had several great dogs prior to him -- willing, smart, easy to train -- we competed and were very successful in several dog sports. Dream dogs, and I didn't know it. I thought I was a fabulous trainer.

Ha! Along came Charcot who forced me to rethink and dismantle almost everything I thought about myself and my relationship to dogs, about training and dog behavior -- I struggled with wanting to give up on him for a very long time because I just couldn't accept how different his needs were. I learned more about myself and about dogs and patience and consistency in the difficult year and half of his extended adolescence than I ever thought I could. We made it through and he, too, became a great dog (really he was one all along).

And he passed so soon. I really think he came to me to teach me something and when his job was done, he moved on.
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Last edited by fig jam; 09-14-2009 at 11:00 PM.
Once again, fig jam has great advice!
We tried it that way with two puppies that were very stubborn on a leash. They would run from it, and sit and pull the other way on it. It took a lot of patience, tons of treats and a long while, but it eventually worked.
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Definitely listen to the fig jam, she is wise. She helped me immensely with my nutty puppy who was just unlike any puppy I've ever had. There were days when I was so frustrated and FJ always had great advice.

Oh, also, look for a puppy kindergarten class - I think they usually take them around 5 mos or so, and it's a great chance to get them socialized and start learning some basic manners. Most Petcos and local pet stores have them.
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lots of excellent advice on here, so i don't have anything more to add. i just hope you're holding up ok. in a few short weeks, you'll see your hard work pay off and everyone will be jealous of you and your smart little guy!!! keep your chin up! be consistent and you'll do great!
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fig jam - (((BIG HUGS))) and thank you for sharing your story. That does seem unfair that after all your hard work together, you truly had so little time to enjoy each other.

He did better last night, not so much whining, only a few times. He's so much better getting into the crate now too. Yay for puppy!

I'll have to try getting some pictures of him to post. My son noticed that his tail often curls up and over a bit. He said I should like the puppy since he has a curly tail! Maybe I should call him Curly!

I talked to my dad about getting some kind of barrier for the garden end of the yard. I really think that would help, so we're not chasing and chastising the pup for running into the plants and eating them.

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Things always seem better when you are not exhausted. And yes, I want pics!!! Are his ears still standing up? Do they do that all the time? I want a dog with standyup ears.
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Well, I wouldn't say I've caught up on the rest yet. Still so tired!

LOL, his ears are one up, one down, have been that way for a few weeks according to foster. Right is up, left hanging half down. Goofy!

We did some bonding this morning again, he lies between my legs and chews his bone while I hold it for him sometimes. He got very relaxed so we crated for a nap, without a fuss. He actually went in by himself!

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Well, I wouldn't say I've caught up on the rest yet. Still so tired!

LOL, his ears are one up, one down, have been that way for a few weeks according to foster. Right is up, left hanging half down. Goofy!

We did some bonding this morning again, he lies between my legs and chews his bone while I hold it for him sometimes. He got very relaxed so we crated for a nap, without a fuss. He actually went in by himself!
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

Good progress!
Lol! I want pictures of that. Wouldn't it be cute if his ears stay like that?
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Yay! Look how far he's come in just a week!!! That's great!

Riley and Curls=Beauty, thanks so much for the kind words -- can you tell dogs are my passion?

Yes, yes, yes, we need pictures!
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"Honey Badger don't care!"
Ha -- he's just different, is all. Dogs really vary widely in personality and temperament, and although the basics apply to all dogs, you often have to get pretty creative with the training tricks.

he's not too young to try clicker training -- what I like about clicker training is (a) it improves our timing tremendously (b) it can easily be used to teach the puppy the most important lesson of all -- learning new stuff is fun!!

Break everything down into super tiny tiny steps and reward for the littlest move in the right direction. Keep his sessions VERY short and sweet -- end on a high note (success) -- the temptation for most people is to keep on training when the puppy is doing well, then he gets tired, starts balking or making mistakes, and you end on a sour note. The lesson he takes away: training with you ain't no fun at all.

Their attention spans are very, very short, also, at that age. They fatigue easily (psychologically, anyway). So a trianing session should be 5 minutes or so at this age, maybe 10 tops. You can do lots in a day, just each session should be very short.

Leash training? At this age I would NOT be teaching precision work like heeling. I would teach leash manners like no tugging, stay behind or beside me, never in front of me. No mouthing the leash.

If he's just sitting, I would find a very favored treat (like the hot dogs) and literally lure him into motion. Treat and praise after only a few steps forward. He will most likely follow his nose to the treat -- just happens to be wearing the leash. Gradually increase the steps he's moving forward -- dont' be in a hurry to discontinue the treats -- remember "successive approximation" is your goal here.

Seriously, get a book on clicker training and/or the How To Raise a Puppy You Can Live With book. It's inexpensive and covers all those motivational basics.

Patience, patience, patience. Don't get frustrated -- he'll feel it. Don't rush him but consistently work with him each day. See how fast he's catching on to the crate??!

Keep a little training chart so you can see the progress when you get discouraged.
Originally Posted by fig jam

I could not have said that better.. As I was told ignore the bad praise the good.. Bad behavior goes away as he learns what to do. And you have to remember you have a working dog, he just can't work that much at a time. But they love to be worked and get treats and praise. I swear the training is harder on us than it is them.
i hope you get your puppy to sleep at night soon i can hear him all the way down here in San Hose

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