Help! Puppy won't sleep @ night! & other problems...

LOL @ OBB! I wouldn't doubt it though!

We got him Friday evening, so he's really only had 4 full days with us. So I guess it's great progress. He has been going in and out of the crate at will today, when I haven't closed the door on him.

Now, if we could just stop him from putting every leaf and plant in his mouth! That's really the worst problem with toxic plants in the yard. I spoke to my dad about putting up a temporary fence, and he is not happy. (Yes, he lives with us and it's mostly our house, but it's the one we have always lived in and it's his garden, etc. Long story.) He really was against us getting a dog, as he doesn't want to be responsible for it, and I think his Anti-Pet girlfriend has poisoned his mind!

So, do we:
1. put up a barrier (will this teach pup though?) he still can eat leaves in the rest of the yard
2. muzzle the pup (? at his age?)
3. put a tether in the lawn so he can't reach the plants (always attended)

Otherwise, we don't get much outside time right now. Still can't leave the yard for walks yet.

He still hates the leash. Food doesn't motivate him enough to move. Maybe fresh leaves?!

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LOL @ OBB! I wouldn't doubt it though!

We got him Friday evening, so he's really only had 4 full days with us. So I guess it's great progress. He has been going in and out of the crate at will today, when I haven't closed the door on him.

Now, if we could just stop him from putting every leaf and plant in his mouth! That's really the worst problem with toxic plants in the yard. I spoke to my dad about putting up a temporary fence, and he is not happy. (Yes, he lives with us and it's mostly our house, but it's the one we have always lived in and it's his garden, etc. Long story.) He really was against us getting a dog, as he doesn't want to be responsible for it, and I think his Anti-Pet girlfriend has poisoned his mind!

So, do we:
1. put up a barrier (will this teach pup though?) he still can eat leaves in the rest of the yard
2. muzzle the pup (? at his age?)
3. put a tether in the lawn so he can't reach the plants (always attended)

Otherwise, we don't get much outside time right now. Still can't leave the yard for walks yet.

He still hates the leash. Food doesn't motivate him enough to move. Maybe fresh leaves?!
Originally Posted by CurliLocks
I would put up a barrier for now and then when he gets a little older start working with him on 'Leave it' and you can remove the barrier once he has learned that those plants are not to eat.

You can try just leaving the leash on him for a while while you are watching him, eventually he will start walking/dragging it around on his own and get used to the feeling of it and then you can pick up the leash and keep working with him. Also, it feels so corny, but when you have him on the leash and are trying to get him to come do the big happy excited voice and praise praise praise when he starts to walk. You can try to lure with toys too (particularly squeaky toys), if that has more allure for him than a treat, you just need to follow through and reward with the toy when he walks.
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My Mom put up an electric type fence (it sends off some high pitched noise when they get close) around her gardens to teach the dogs to stay out. She used it for a few weeks, then switched to just a rope and now has nothing and they stay out.

ETA ~ Now that I'm thinking about, one of my aunts did underground fencing around her gardens to keep the dogs out.
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I, too, vote for a simple barrier, something sturdy but inexpensive that you can remove when he's older. A muzzle? Definitely not. A tether (tie out?) -- not a fan of those either. He needs some puppy time to run free and play.

Some things it's just easier to prevent and keep dangerous things out of their reach, versus training him to leave it alone. I think the "leave it" exercise is a good one, but outdoors it will be difficult -- just fence off the area you don't want him to go, then you and he can relax and have fun outside. You can be teaching him the "leave it" command with less toxic, dangerous things of your choosing.

It's just an inquisitive puppy's nature to taste test and put everything in his mouth -- he'll grow out of that soon enough. Riley had good suggestions about how to approach that with him. i remember Mr. Smarty walking by a pot of petunias and just grabbing off a blossom as he passed by . . .

Keep a close eye on him -- puppies are like toddlers with sharp scissors for mouths.

Take lots of pictures -- keep a little puppy journal -- you'll be amazed how quickly he'll grow and change, and someday you'll laugh at all his shenanigans.
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riley and CC - thanks for the suggestions. I might look into a humane electric fence as long as it's just noise. That might make dad happier as it won't block his access. It's not like it would be forever since the season is almost over anyway.

I, too, vote for a simple barrier, something sturdy but inexpensive that you can remove when he's older. A muzzle? Definitely not. A tether (tie out?) -- not a fan of those either. He needs some puppy time to run free and play.

Some things it's just easier to prevent and keep dangerous things out of their reach, versus training him to leave it alone. I think the "leave it" exercise is a good one, but outdoors it will be difficult -- just fence off the area you don't want him to go, then you and he can relax and have fun outside. You can be teaching him the "leave it" command with less toxic, dangerous things of your choosing.

It's just an inquisitive puppy's nature to taste test and put everything in his mouth -- he'll grow out of that soon enough. Riley had good suggestions about how to approach that with him. i remember Mr. Smarty walking by a pot of petunias and just grabbing off a blossom as he passed by . . .

Keep a close eye on him -- puppies are like toddlers with sharp scissors for mouths.

Take lots of pictures -- keep a little puppy journal -- you'll be amazed how quickly he'll grow and change, and someday you'll laugh at all his shenanigans.
Originally Posted by fig jam
Yeah, I didn't feel comfortable with the muzzle or tether (dh's idea for tether). But I'm trying to avoid hassle for dad. As spry and healthy as he is at 77, he is getting stubborn.

I'm going to hold you to the bolded! LOL

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I should maybe qualify my statement -- it may not be soon enough to suit you!
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LOL! As long as it's within the first year! Hopefully! Before the next growing season (tomatoes and peach trees mostly).

I looked at the electric fencing, wireless would be best. I don't mind the tone but don't like the "static". Most say the pup should be 6 months old, too late! This one looked good: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=20227

This one would work too, but he's still too young. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...fm?pcatid=1108

And you can't use them with metal collar buckles or tags.

I wonder if I put up flags and squirted him with water when he passes them would work?

Wait! I bought smelly deterrents for the neighbor's cats but haven't installed them. Wonder if they work on dogs? Maybe that would be enough to keep him out of the area. Must dig up package and check tomorrow. Oh, I hope they are for dogs too!

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Last edited by CurliLocks; 09-16-2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason: forgot a link
I think Fig Jam is more worried about your puppy than you are Curlilocks and how the heck is the puppy going to sleep if the owner doesnt sleep either. maybe you should make yourself some of that hotdog treat so you'll have the incentive to fall asleep. just kidding i hope you and your new puppy have a good night of rest.

Last edited by OBB; 09-16-2009 at 12:06 AM.
I know, I wish I could hire her to come train us both! Seriously!

LOL and point taken. Just took pup out for potty, and off to bed!

Oh, I've been reading those online books you posted OBB. Good stuff. I even emailed them about the "eating everything" problem!

My library is getting me the other 2 books recommended in the thread.

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Casey was a leave eater (and rocks, and sticks, and cigarette butts, etc etc) when he was a puppy. It was painful taking him for walks-especially when I lived in town and was walking him on sidewalks-you have no idea how many cigarette butts are around until you have a dog that eats them. He will still dive for a leave when he sees one blowing by but he did grow out of the eating everything issue-mostly. Sometimes he still regresses. Not sure why. When he was a puppy I would take whatever it was out of his mouth and say No. It got to the point where I could say No before he ate it and he would not do it (most of the time).
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Well, he slept through the night without crying!
I guess I'll go get the fencing today and try that.

I was looking through dog breed info and wonder if he is not part Basenji, instead of or with the ACD or Bull Terrier. His tail is starting to curl up over his back, not a tight pug curl but it curls up and over. These look a lot like him: http://www.dogguide.net/dog-pictures...s-of-basenjis/
His markings match the description:
Basenjis come in 4 colors: red, black, black/tan/white (tricolor), and brindle. All of these colors should have a white tail tip, white feet & a white chest.
And he does yodel at night. [Although my first dog (lab/retriever mix?) yodeled and howled like a wolf all the time!] Do you think he might be?

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Last edited by CurliLocks; 09-16-2009 at 11:05 AM.
Well, he slept through the night without crying!
I guess I'll go get the fencing today and try that.

I was looking through dog breed info and wonder if he is not part Basenji, instead of or with the ACD or Bull Terrier. His tail is starting to curl up over his back, not a tight pug curl but it curls up and over. These look a lot like him: http://www.dogguide.net/dog-pictures...s-of-basenjis/
His markings match the description:
Basenjis come in 4 colors: red, black, black/tan/white (tricolor), and brindle. All of these colors should have a white tail tip, white feet & a white chest.
And he does yodel at night. [Although my first dog (lab/retriever mix?) yodeled and howled like a wolf all the time!] Do you think he might be?
Originally Posted by CurliLocks

Could quite possibly be. He does resemble them some.

Definitely don't go with the tether, even while supervised. Dogs that are tethered, even while supervised, can become aggressive. Not that fond of the muzzle idea either. We had to have our dog wear a muzzle in public and he hated it, he would shake his head, paw at it, whine and go nuts (not with us anymore, had to be put down ).
Besides, he doesn't need a muzzle because he isn't aggressive.
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see what happens when you dont get enough sleep? i wasnt the one that recommended the books. AG did that. i dont want to take credit for it. and the last book i read about dogs was 101 Dalmations.
see what happens when you dont get enough sleep? i wasnt the one that recommended the books. AG did that. i dont want to take credit for it. and the last book i read about dogs was 101 Dalmations.
Originally Posted by OBB
Oops! Yeah well, AG - OBB, all initials past bedtime, too much!

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some hair pics
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We fenced in the garden. He ran over, stopped, and searched the fencing from side to side looking for a way in. He looked at me like he was saying, "No fair!" then proceeded to inspect the rest of the yard in detail. He went where no dog has gone before!

We'll see how this works.

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* pw: just4curlies
* My Motto: Strand Test!
some hair pics
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You guys are making great progress for such a short time! Put a gold star on the calendar for sleeping through the night.

And good for you all for putting in the fence -- it's really the best solution.

He does have kind of a Basenji face in the photo, but that's such a rare breed it seems less likely. He has a bit of a corgi face, too, but you'd for sure see that in his body type, I would think.

When you gonna post pitchers????

ETA: WOops -- I see you have -- off to check those out!
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Last edited by fig jam; 09-16-2009 at 05:27 PM.
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