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Old 09-15-2009, 06:03 AM   #21
 
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If she's still trying to sell some story that her kind of jacked up addiction was somehow superior to someone else's jacked up addiction, I'm thinking she's not far from a relapse.
Sadly, I believe you're exactly right.

I do remember the Diane Sawyer interview and the "crack is wack" statement. Only an addict will try to think their drug of choice is far superior/less harmful than another addict. It's a clear sign that they are in denial, and haven't truly hit rock bottom where they have come to terms and are honest with themselves and others about their addiction.

I haven't seen the interview with Oprah, but if she is still trying to split hairs on her addiction, she is still struggling heavily with her addiction and even if she is currently clean, she is dangerously close to relapsing. I hope that she continues to get help and she is able to resume her singing career. She had an awesome voice. From her "comeback" concert in Central Park, her voice seemed a shadow of its former self and it was hard to watch. Blaming that on talking too much on Oprah seemed like another attempt to deny reality. Could've been nerves. I don't know. It's all so sad.

I know she has or is about to release a new album. Is this new material or merely a greatest hits compilation? Has anyone here heard it?
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Whitney has a new album out. I've heard the single on the radio and have been meaning to check out the whole album.

I want to like Whitney. I really do. I grew up with "clean" Whitney, so I have a strong attachment to "Saving All My Love For You" and all those old songs. But watching her on Oprah, I realized she is a regular old drug addicted liar.

I too, think she was talking about crack rock when she mentioned her addiction. You could tell Oprah thought she was lying too because Oprah kept asking Whitney to clarify. At first, Whitney said all she did was smoke joints laced with cocaine. Oprah was all, "Really!?" That's when Whitney said they would lace marijuana with cocaine in the rock form. Um, that sounds like what lots of crack addicts do. And since Bobby was the one doing the drugs with her, I know Bobby didn't have any elitest feelings about only smoking cocaine in the purest form. She's so full of it.

She also claimed that Bobby never lifted a hand to her because Bobby was afraid of her family, blah, blah. Then she kept telling stories where Bobby slapped her. Bobby spit on her and Bobby slammed her up against a wall. Bobby sounds just plain abusive. Even Oprah said, "A lot of women don't think it's abuse if they can say they guy didn't punch or hit them." Oprah kept trying to hint that Whitney doesn't make any sense.

The worst part is that they are going to make Bobby Christina talk about this mess. Whitney said she took Bobby Christina to rehab with her because she didn't want to be away from her daughter. I'm sorry, that makes her a terrible mother in my eyes. She's so selfish. Normal adults get depressed in rehab. Why would Whitney make her teenage daughter go through that just to make her feel less lonely? And why doesn't anybody in Whitney's circle tell her the truth about herself?
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wow... how did she get into drugs anyhow? I'd assume Bobby Brown. I never knew what she saw in him. Maybe it was the drugs.
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I don't remember her talking w/ a lisp. Not sure if
it was the acoustics in the theater?

I'm not an expert, but I thought that if you're an recovering addict.. even just a recovering drug addict, any kind of alcohol is a no-no? She told Oprah that she drinks.

Her daughter is adorable... but I have to ask: Why no braces?
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If she's still trying to sell some story that her kind of jacked up addiction was somehow superior to someone else's jacked up addiction, I'm thinking she's not far from a relapse.
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Her daughter is adorable... but I have to ask: Why no braces?


Yes, why no braces? Why wouldn't they do that for her?

Bobbi Kristina is 15. I fear for her.

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whitney is revealing a lot about her personal life. i sort of wish she wouldn't talk so much about the bobby stuff since he's not there to defend himself. it might all be true but it seems a bit one-sided. she talks about him being alcoholic, spitting on her, etc....
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Wow, I got a lot different things out of the interview than a lot of you all.

Really, I'm gonna let her prove it in the living. I think her voice sounded great. A little diminished which would be expected with the smoking and aging and generally not taking care of it like she should have. She looked SO much better than when she was all strung out and skin and bones.

And for braces? Maybe she didn't want it fixed? It's also possible that since it's obviously inherited there may be something that would be preventing fixing that without a long process and pain. Personally if my kid was ok with it and her teeth were otherwise pretty set, I wouldn't worry about it. Braces SUCK!

As for her treatment choices, honestly those are up to the person and the program. I really think her drug use was wrapped up in Bobbi. It doesn't stop the addiction from following her by any means but being away from the person you did those things with and who you got them from and the associations there, it helps a lot.

Eh, other than the "preachiness" of the interview I enjoyed it. But everyone has got to find their strength somewhere. I loved Whitney as a kid and wish her all the best and am keeping hopes up for her. I think she's still dealing with everything, it is like she said a one day at a time process.
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It's crazy that there's a whole generation of people who only know Crazy Whitney and don't remember squeaky clean teenage Whitney.
I read that this was the doing of her manager. She really wasn't the squeaky clean teenage Whitney she portrayed.

I think she was attracted to Bobby, because he was like her. I don't think he infuenced her to do the drugs. She was doing it on her own. Not that you said this, but I'm just adding to my thoughts here.

With Bobby, she could be herself, which was self-destructed.
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Wow, I got a lot different things out of the interview than a lot of you all.

Really, I'm gonna let her prove it in the living. I think her voice sounded great. A little diminished which would be expected with the smoking and aging and generally not taking care of it like she should have. She looked SO much better than when she was all strung out and skin and bones.

And for braces? Maybe she didn't want it fixed? It's also possible that since it's obviously inherited there may be something that would be preventing fixing that without a long process and pain. Personally if my kid was ok with it and her teeth were otherwise pretty set, I wouldn't worry about it. Braces SUCK!

As for her treatment choices, honestly those are up to the person and the program. I really think her drug use was wrapped up in Bobbi. It doesn't stop the addiction from following her by any means but being away from the person you did those things with and who you got them from and the associations there, it helps a lot.

Eh, other than the "preachiness" of the interview I enjoyed it. But everyone has got to find their strength somewhere. I loved Whitney as a kid and wish her all the best and am keeping hopes up for her. I think she's still dealing with everything, it is like she said a one day at a time process.
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She is a terrible mother. She wants her daughter to go into singing and she wants to groom her. For what!? To be a crackhead? She took her daughter to rehab? This is a woman who is using her daughter to comfort herself.

I watched about 2 mins of the interview and couldn't take any more. WH sounds delusional, and I couldn't take Oprah sitting there just smiling at her when Oprah knows she's nuts. Her raspy voice was hard to listen to too. Whatever she's smoking has ruined her throat and voice.

She's looking for sympathy in all the wrong places.
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I agree her voice isn't great anymore. It sounded pretty weak to me- but what can you expect after everything she's done to herself.

I only read the interview- you can't view it here. She is looking much better- but she obviously still has problems. It sounds like she was abusive to her husband as well as him being abusive to her. Such a waste.
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I kept wondering if their daughter has any relationship with Bobby now. It seemed like not.

I have no clue about rehab etc but she looks good now and I hope she does well. She did admit that it is a daily battle so I think that was truthful.
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I noticed that too! She was talking funny.

I wasn't crazy about her new song or her singing. I heard her old stuff and it gave me chills with the power of her voice. New stuff.....meh.

I noticed the daughter does have the same teeth structure as her father. Maybe they thought it was distinctive.
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I'm prob gonna get a LOT of flack for this...but there IS a difference (although a very small one). The difference is between being a "functional addict" and a "nonfunctional" addict.

Ever met a functional crack addict? You most likely never will because the "fillers" that they add to coke to make crack basicly posion the person in addition to making it highly addictive.

Ever met a functional meth addict? Again, you most likely never will. After a few weeks of using every sporatically, they become so addicted that they are WORSE that pookie on Sugar Hill.

Coke produced a whole GENERATION of functional addicts. The 70s was full of coke heads that partied hard and then went to work the next day. Unnfortunately, I've had the opprtunity to work with a few functional addicts and the one thing they had in common was that they never did the "cheap" stuff.
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Wow, I got a lot different things out of the interview than a lot of you all.

Really, I'm gonna let her prove it in the living. I think her voice sounded great. A little diminished which would be expected with the smoking and aging and generally not taking care of it like she should have. She looked SO much better than when she was all strung out and skin and bones.

And for braces? Maybe she didn't want it fixed? It's also possible that since it's obviously inherited there may be something that would be preventing fixing that without a long process and pain. Personally if my kid was ok with it and her teeth were otherwise pretty set, I wouldn't worry about it. Braces SUCK!

As for her treatment choices, honestly those are up to the person and the program. I really think her drug use was wrapped up in Bobbi. It doesn't stop the addiction from following her by any means but being away from the person you did those things with and who you got them from and the associations there, it helps a lot.

Eh, other than the "preachiness" of the interview I enjoyed it. But everyone has got to find their strength somewhere. I loved Whitney as a kid and wish her all the best and am keeping hopes up for her. I think she's still dealing with everything, it is like she said a one day at a time process.
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Sometimes, but not all the time. As a kid I had a HUGE gap in the front of my teeth, like I could stick stuff through it. As I got older and my wisdom teeth came in, the gap naturally closed on its own because my theeth did what they were supposed to do, which is naturally shift. I never had to get my wisdome teeth removed because there was space for them. Maybe its the same sorta thing with her?

I've heard of a lot of kids that get braces and still end up with jacked teeth (or having to do a second round as an adult or wear retainers) because the teeth shift back/move, espically when the wisdom teeth are removed.
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Wow, I got a lot different things out of the interview than a lot of you all.

Really, I'm gonna let her prove it in the living. I think her voice sounded great. A little diminished which would be expected with the smoking and aging and generally not taking care of it like she should have. She looked SO much better than when she was all strung out and skin and bones.

And for braces? Maybe she didn't want it fixed? It's also possible that since it's obviously inherited there may be something that would be preventing fixing that without a long process and pain. Personally if my kid was ok with it and her teeth were otherwise pretty set, I wouldn't worry about it. Braces SUCK!

As for her treatment choices, honestly those are up to the person and the program. I really think her drug use was wrapped up in Bobbi. It doesn't stop the addiction from following her by any means but being away from the person you did those things with and who you got them from and the associations there, it helps a lot.

Eh, other than the "preachiness" of the interview I enjoyed it. But everyone has got to find their strength somewhere. I loved Whitney as a kid and wish her all the best and am keeping hopes up for her. I think she's still dealing with everything, it is like she said a one day at a time process.
Having jacked up teeth is more than just a cosmetic issue. It causes all kinds of problems that only get worse as you age.
Sometimes, but not all the time. As a kid I had a HUGE gap in the front of my teeth, like I could stick stuff through it. As I got older and my wisdom teeth came in, the gap naturally closed on its own because my theeth did what they were supposed to do, which is naturally shift. I never had to get my wisdome teeth removed because there was space for them. Maybe its the same sorta thing with her?

I've heard of a lot of kids that get braces and still end up with jacked teeth (or having to do a second round as an adult or wear retainers) because the teeth shift back/move, espically when the wisdom teeth are removed.
From the couple of pics I've seen of Bobbi Christina, she was smiling widely, and aside from the gap, her teeth were very white and straight. Gap-wise, her teeth certainly looked a lot better than Madonna's.

Bobby Brown's lips are black and his teeth look like they're about to fall out. IMO it comes from his drug use and smoking stuff.

Does a gap automatically mean badly-positioned teeth later on? (asking out of curiosity, my family doesn't have gaps) Because if I had teeth like Bobbi Christina's, I'd leave them alone if the chances of later problems were low.

I work with a Trinidadian lady and her gap is beautiful, IMO.

Wait a minute.....are we talking about Bobbi's gap or does Whitney have teeth issues now or something?


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Whitney has a new album out. I've heard the single on the radio and have been meaning to check out the whole album.

I want to like Whitney. I really do. I grew up with "clean" Whitney, so I have a strong attachment to "Saving All My Love For You" and all those old songs. But watching her on Oprah, I realized she is a regular old drug addicted liar.


She also claimed that Bobby never lifted a hand to her because Bobby was afraid of her family, blah, blah. Then she kept telling stories where Bobby slapped her. Bobby spit on her and Bobby slammed her up against a wall. Bobby sounds just plain abusive. Even Oprah said, "A lot of women don't think it's abuse if they can say they guy didn't punch or hit them." Oprah kept trying to hint that Whitney doesn't make any sense.
This is what I really didn't comprehend. I watched probably all but the last 10 mins of the interview because I had an appointment. But I didn't comprehend when Whitney was saying Bobby didn't hit her but then kept recounting incidents where he slapped, pushed, and spit on her. That was incredibly disturbing and the fact that she thought simply because she hit him back some how made it less than abuse was sad.

I mean I felt like I was watching that episode of the Dave Chappelle Show where Rick James goes..

"See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on. I had a little more sense than that. [short pause] Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch."

But I too remember the squeaky clean Whitney. I loved her growing up. I can remember EVERYONE always singing Greatest Love of All (Whitney's version) at talent shows!

But this just proves a lot of these "images" in the public eye are manufactured. A lot of these people are nothing like what their managers and handlers have them project. And Whitney Houston is just a prime example of that.. they marketed her as this squeaky clean sweet girl next door but in reality she wasn't that image... hence why she was drawn to a guy like Bobby Brown in the first place.

I hope she can get it together now and stay stable. But from that interview.. Whitney really does seem like she STILL needs to counseling on a continuous basis.
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i had braces from the 5th to the 7th grade. i had one tooth on the bottom that was crooked (i am glad it was fixed) and i had the beginnings of a gap right in the middle of my top teeth which i didn't care about fixing. after braces i had a permanent lower retainer on the back side of my bottom teeth so they have stayed nice and straight (recently the retainer popped off so i'm going to get it again). my top teeth are still straight, always have been but the gap is back in full force. it's only right in the middle and again my teeth around it are straight so it doesn't bother me. it's interesting i think. my daddy has a gap too. i personally like a small center gap but gaps between all teeth and/or accompanied by crooked teeth i don't really care for on myself but teeth are a very personal thing. you've gotta like your own smile. fortuntately there are a lot of treatments today and it doesn't take as long to get nice straight, white teeth if that's what you want.
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If she's still trying to sell some story that her kind of jacked up addiction was somehow superior to someone else's jacked up addiction, I'm thinking she's not far from a relapse.
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also, from the clips I heard -- she hasn't accepted her own responsibility for her downward spiral. everything that happened was someone else's fault

i agree with the person that said bobby allowed her to be who she really was... self-destructive
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