Children in business class - Page 3

M2LR · 09-28-2009, 08:38 AM

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I just want to know how you'd build a theater that had "nothing but *****ty seats?"

"Every section is the nose-bleed section!"

"One and all, bring your binoculars! You can't see ish in our house!"

My husband says, "Obviously there is value in a good seat vs. a bad seat. As long as people are willing to pay those higher prices, then why shouldn't they? If you can't afford it, you do what you can."

Amneris, just curious...in all of your travels to the UK, the US, Trinidad, Caribbean, etc. you always flew business/coach class, right?

Substitute health care or decent housing for "it" and does it still sound so logical????

Obviously I am not equating seats on a plane or in a theatre with health care... but to me the mentality is similar... that anyone with money should automatically get the best of anything.... and those who can't afford it, sucks to be you, even if the distinction between cheap and expensive is arbitrary. I know that attitude isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it or think it is the only "logical" view.

Who said anything about building a theatre with nothing but bad seats? I said that seats of all types should be available to a variety of income levels.

A secondary point is that theatres and sets should be designed with reasonable sightlines from anywhere in the house.

So, when you travel, and have traveled in the past you used business/coach class, right? You've NEVER travelled First Class? Right?

Josephine · 09-28-2009, 08:59 AM

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Well the reason the wealthy get more is because they can pay more....I don't understand how it's elitist to get what you pay for? Or to be able to pay for it and therefore want it? Still not sure what you were trying to say there, sorry :s.

Yea I don't get it either. I must be elitist since I don't have a 'basic' car, don't buy cheap shoes and makeup, pay more for better food and drinks, choose to pay more to take a direct flight, pay extra to check in a bag, etc..

To the OP, I think that sucks but what can you do about it unless there is an age restriction to business class?

I can see how first class/ business class seats comes across as elitist, but for me it's all about the space.

M2LR · 09-28-2009, 09:30 AM

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Well the reason the wealthy get more is because they can pay more....I don't understand how it's elitist to get what you pay for? Or to be able to pay for it and therefore want it? Still not sure what you were trying to say there, sorry :s.

Yea I don't get it either. I must be elitist since I don't have a 'basic' car, don't buy cheap shoes and makeup, pay more for better food and drinks, choose to pay more to take a direct flight, pay extra to check in a bag, etc..

I can see how first class/ business class seats comes across as elitist, but for me it's all about the space.

Exactly. So using this same kind of logic, it's also elitist to buy organic groceries, couture purses or fashion, designer shoes, etc. But, I have a feeling that when THESE items are addressed, people will say, "I buy organic to be healthy, it's not elitist." or something similar.

I completely agree it's about the space. My husband is 6'8". Business class SUCKS for him. He flew from CA to CT, which is close to a 7 hour flight. His work wouldn't pay for First Class, depsite his height and we don't have the money to pay the difference. It sucked for him.

I have never flown first class, and it's not something I see as elitist at all. If you can afford it, go for it.

nynaeve77 · 09-28-2009, 09:34 AM

6'8"! Wow! My hubby is 6'3" and hates flying, too...unless he's on the emergency exit row, he's contorted like a pretzel. I can't imagine your poor husband having to fly for 7 hours all cramped up. That sucks.

Amneris · 09-28-2009, 09:35 AM

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Well the reason the wealthy get more is because they can pay more....I don't understand how it's elitist to get what you pay for? Or to be able to pay for it and therefore want it? Still not sure what you were trying to say there, sorry :s.

Yea I don't get it either. I must be elitist since I don't have a 'basic' car, don't buy cheap shoes and makeup, pay more for better food and drinks, choose to pay more to take a direct flight, pay extra to check in a bag, etc..

To the OP, I think that sucks but what can you do about it unless there is an age restriction to business class?

I can see how first class/ business class seats comes across as elitist, but for me it's all about the space.

To me, those things aren't elitist in and of themselves (though you could argue they're wasteful or materialistic... an issue I personally struggle with!) but they would be elitist IF you had them and then expected to have better standing than someone who had less or the fact that you had them over something else made you feel more "special." ie. you're in Seven jeans standing next to someone in Wal-mart jeans and you think that entitles you to benefits she doesn't get. If you just wear them for your own pleasure, it's not elitist. What makes executive class elitist to me is that it is so obviously lorded over coach while the people flying coach are present, and they make such arbitrary and silly distinctions between the two.

You said "it's all about the space..." but why shouldn't EVERYONE who flies get a basic, healthy, comfortable amount of space? Why should we have to pay extra for something we NEED? That was my point.

eta: and yeah, you pay for and get more space... but to me it's pretty elitist to assume that you also pay to control all the riff-raff around you.

M2LR · 09-28-2009, 09:37 AM

Amneris, I am assuming you fly First Class.

I have asked you twice and you reply to posts around mine, and replied to everything I said previously, but refrained from answering my question.

Do you fly First Class?

Did you fly First Class with JJ for the Inauguration last year?

Amneris · 09-28-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by M2LR

Amneris, I am assuming you fly First Class.

I have asked you twice and you reply to posts around mine, and replied to everything I said previously, but refrained from answering my question.

Do you fly First Class?

Did you fly First Class with JJ for the Inauguration last year?

I ignored it because it really isn't any of your business and the thread was not about me or what I do.

But why would you assume I fly first class?

If I couldn't afford a separate seat for JJ, why would I fly first class? That doesn't even make sense.

M2LR · 09-28-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Amneris

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Amneris, I am assuming you fly First Class.

I have asked you twice and you reply to posts around mine, and replied to everything I said previously, but refrained from answering my question.

Do you fly First Class?

Did you fly First Class with JJ for the Inauguration last year?

I ignored it because it really isn't any of your business and the thread was not about me or what I do.

But why would you assume I fly first class?

If I couldn't afford a separate seat for JJ, why would I fly first class? That doesn't even make sense.

This is exactly what I thought your response would be.

Josephine · 09-28-2009, 09:58 AM

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Well the reason the wealthy get more is because they can pay more....I don't understand how it's elitist to get what you pay for? Or to be able to pay for it and therefore want it? Still not sure what you were trying to say there, sorry :s.

Yea I don't get it either. I must be elitist since I don't have a 'basic' car, don't buy cheap shoes and makeup, pay more for better food and drinks, choose to pay more to take a direct flight, pay extra to check in a bag, etc..

To the OP, I think that sucks but what can you do about it unless there is an age restriction to business class?

I can see how first class/ business class seats comes across as elitist, but for me it's all about the space.

To me, those things aren't elitist in and of themselves (though you could argue they're wasteful or materialistic... an issue I personally struggle with!) but they would be elitist IF you had them and then expected to have better standing than someone who had less or the fact that you had them over something else made you feel more "special." ie. you're in Seven jeans standing next to someone in Wal-mart jeans and you think that entitles you to benefits she doesn't get. If you just wear them for your own pleasure, it's not elitist. What makes executive class elitist to me is that it is so obviously lorded over coach while the people flying coach are present, and they make such arbitrary and silly distinctions between the two.

You said "it's all about the space..." but why shouldn't EVERYONE who flies get a basic, healthy, comfortable amount of space? Why should we have to pay extra for something we NEED? That was my point.

eta: and yeah, you pay for and get more space... but to me it's pretty elitist to assume that you also pay to control all the riff-raff around you.

I agree that there is or definitely used to be a elitist thing about first class, but I guess I don't care. You can get it if you have the money. I do think airplanes need more space for passengers, not sure what we can do about that. Obviously we really don't need it, since people fly coach all the time without dying and keep paying for it.

People fly first class for various reasons. It could be for their pleasure or to be 'elitist'. The same applies to wearing designer jeans, purses, etc. I think the elitist aspect of flying first class is fading since it's a bit cheaper now to fly than before..or maybe I'm wrong. The only distinction I feel when I'm flying is that they board first, but someone usually boards before me anyways.

Josephine · 09-28-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by M2LR

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Originally Posted by Amneris

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Originally Posted by M2LR

Amneris, I am assuming you fly First Class.

I have asked you twice and you reply to posts around mine, and replied to everything I said previously, but refrained from answering my question.

Do you fly First Class?

Did you fly First Class with JJ for the Inauguration last year?

I ignored it because it really isn't any of your business and the thread was not about me or what I do.

But why would you assume I fly first class?

If I couldn't afford a separate seat for JJ, why would I fly first class? That doesn't even make sense.

This is exactly what I thought your response would be.

I'm really confused.

Anthro Incarnate · 09-28-2009, 11:10 AM

I rarely bother to upgrade on flights shorter than seven hours or on domestic flights. A domestic flight especially just isn't worth the money -- the difference between coach and business seats is minimal. But on very long journeys that require multiple layovers and two or three days to complete, yes, I upgrade every chance I get. These are usually on widebody jets where business class seats are self-contained pods.

It's not about boarding first. I prefer to stay in a spacious airport rather than spend a minute longer than I have to on a plane.

it's not about extra food or service. Eating less helps with jet lag, and since I sleep most of the way, I don't care about the inflight service. Although I gotta admit, I do love the airlines that have AVOD. That's not specific to business class though -- a LOT of international airlines have AVOD in economy, and a lot of the American airlines have yet to get it in business class.

It's not about elitism, per se. I will admit I have not enjoyed my experiences on "workhorse" flights between the Gulf and Asia, where about 90% of the passengers are migrant male workers. There is something distinctly uncomfortable about being sandwiched 10 across, surrounded by men who don't share my cultural views of women...or, frequently, hygiene. Yeah, I said it.

What it is about is overall comfort. It's about having a lounge with internet access and comfy chairs to wait out a 6-hour layover. It's about being able to fully recline and sleep. It's about not having to get up every time someone needs to use the bathroom. AND it's about having as peaceful experience as possible.

Remember that commercial about car insurance or something that compared the coach experience (woman in bright, painful lighting, surrounded by kids and sloppy people throwing food and screaming) with the business class experience (soft music, mood lighting, linen tablecloth) and said if you could fly like this all the time, wouldn't you?.... Why yes, I would.

Kids, keep quiet. Auntie Anthro is trying to pretend she's lounging on a deserted beach instead of cruising at 35,000 feet in a germ-infested guided missile. Thanks!

scrills · 09-28-2009, 12:43 PM

Kids can be loud or misbrhaving all over the plane. Paying a little more money for a couple extra inches of spaces, gets you just that, more space. it doesn't free you from dealing with people (of all ages).

I think the thought of restricting Business Class is insane. This issue is about parenting, not where you sit

DarkAngel · 09-28-2009, 12:48 PM

We actually started traveling first class because of my son. I've found he acts far more civilized when we have more space. He's a good flier though. The looks we get when the other first class passengers are boarding are awesome.

I don't know what to do about poorly behaved children (and adults). Unfortunately, they are part of the risk you take when traveling.

Spiralli · 09-28-2009, 12:55 PM

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As I say in all of these types of posts, people need to accept that yes, children exist, children aren't perfect, children sometimes cry, scream, crap their pants, spill drinks, vomit, have temper tantrums and run around. They are everywhere and that won't be changing anytime soon so ADJUST.

This. But it would have been very hard for me to sit there and not say something to the mother when the ADORABLE rugrat came into my space and started touching my stuff, especially if it was work stuff.

OT: Adding that when I read the title to this thread, I was thinking "WHAT?! Kids are able to take MBA classes now?"

Nappy_curly_crown · 09-28-2009, 03:34 PM

Just wanted to say I so feel your pain. Usually what I do is I go to the boarding counter prior to boarding and ask two questions...espically for flights over 3 hours

1. is the flight full
2. Are there lots of kids on the flight

I've been known to change a flight and or request a seat change as far away from kids under 5 as possible. I spent almost an hour into a flight from houston to DC (nonstop) with some kid kicking the back of my seat. Not on accident either, but this little phucker was literally trying to kick a dayum hole in the back of the seat. I had to stand up and turn around and ask his parents to make him stop.

I've been flying since I was a kid...and my mom NEVER let me and my sister act like a little heathens when we were flying (or anytime for that matter). I dispise parents that sit by while thier kids have a full meltdown and ignore them. WTF...the kid is crying...please at least try and comfort them or something...don't just sit there reading your dayum book while everyone else has to listen to that ****!

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Should misbehaving children be allowed to fly in business or first class? I just stumbled off of a flight with frazzled nerves, and I'm grumpy. I paid cash to upgrade my work-provided cattle class seat to business. It was an international flight, I was expected to work upon arrival, and I needed to sleep. Also, I'm generally a panicky flyer, and having that extra few inches of space on all sides helps with the whole trapped-in-a-flying-coffin-just-moments-from-death feeling.

On this particular flight, there were six (6) kids in business class. Three were older and well behaved, no problem. The one is front of me was a toddler who occasionally wandered into my space and touched my stuff while his mother gave me her "isn't he ADORABLE" laugh. The other two toddlers were on the other side and several rows back, and they took turns screaming, crying, and chattering loudly the entire flight.

For some reason, the happy pills to help Anthro relax and sleep while strapped on top of several thousand pounds of explosive jet fuel didn't work so well. Needless to say, it's time to work and I feel like I pulled a stressful all-nighter. And I'm out of pocket $$$$. I am very tempted to write the airline and ask for a free upgrade for a future flight.

Kids up front?

My vote is for yes, if they have home training. Long-haul flights across the Pacific suck hosewater no matter what the circumstance, and parents should have the option of adding a little comfort for the family. My coworkers do this frequently, but their kids don't scream for 13 hours in the air.

RedCatWaves · 09-28-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown

Just wanted to say I so feel your pain. Usually what I do is I go to the boarding counter prior to boarding and ask two questions...espically for flights over 3 hours

1. is the flight full
2. Are there lots of kids on the flight

I've been known to change a flight and or request a seat change as far away from kids under 5 as possible. I spent almost an hour into a flight from houston to DC (nonstop) with some kid kicking the back of my seat. Not on accident either, but this little phucker was literally trying to kick a dayum hole in the back of the seat. I had to stand up and turn around and ask his parents to make him stop.

I've been flying since I was a kid...and my mom NEVER let me and my sister act like a little heathens when we were flying (or anytime for that matter). I dispise parents that sit by while thier kids have a full meltdown and ignore them. WTF...the kid is crying...please at least try and comfort them or something...don't just sit there reading your dayum book while everyone else has to listen to that ****!

I do understand the pain. And I dislike bad parenting as well, in the air, and on the ground. What I have encountered, though, is nastyass people making comments and talking sh1t as soon as they see a kid on a plane. I make my kids behave, and if they were to kick someone's seat I'd wring their little neck myself, but I have had people say rude things to my kids as soon as they boarded...things like "Sh1t, I hope you don't cry kid." or "Oh no, a kid. Stewardess, can you get me away from that kid."

I think airlines don't charge enough money, for any of the seats, because there is a low class of people flying.

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Nappy_curly_crown · 09-28-2009, 10:14 PM

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Just wanted to say I so feel your pain. Usually what I do is I go to the boarding counter prior to boarding and ask two questions...espically for flights over 3 hours

1. is the flight full
2. Are there lots of kids on the flight

I've been known to change a flight and or request a seat change as far away from kids under 5 as possible. I spent almost an hour into a flight from houston to DC (nonstop) with some kid kicking the back of my seat. Not on accident either, but this little phucker was literally trying to kick a dayum hole in the back of the seat. I had to stand up and turn around and ask his parents to make him stop.

I've been flying since I was a kid...and my mom NEVER let me and my sister act like a little heathens when we were flying (or anytime for that matter). I dispise parents that sit by while thier kids have a full meltdown and ignore them. WTF...the kid is crying...please at least try and comfort them or something...don't just sit there reading your dayum book while everyone else has to listen to that ****!

I do understand the pain. And I dislike bad parenting as well, in the air, and on the ground. What I have encountered, though, is nastyass people making comments and talking sh1t as soon as they see a kid on a plane. I make my kids behave, and if they were to kick someone's seat I'd wring their little neck myself, but I have had people say rude things to my kids as soon as they boarded...things like "Sh1t, I hope you don't cry kid." or "Oh no, a kid. Stewardess, can you get me away from that kid."

I think airlines don't charge enough money, for any of the seats, because there is a low class of people flying.

I was gonna say this....but deleted it. But I have to say u are 100% right. This is why I usually refuse to fly "budget" airlines. I don't care but I'll pay extra for delta, Continental, or United. Southwest makes me feel like I'm cattle being herded to slaughter. I pay $300 and i can't pick my seat ahead of time and I don't even get a full 12oz soda?!?! I don't think so.

I remember flying in the early 80s when people were completely dressed and didnt fly in sweats and/or pajama's. WTF?!!??! A 6 or 7am flight does not mean u don't need to put on clothes people.

TheSunshineState · 09-28-2009, 10:16 PM

Ha, you made me giggle

Trenell · 09-28-2009, 10:20 PM

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I remember flying in the early 80s when people were completely dressed and didnt fly in sweats and/or pajama's. WTF?!!??! A 6 or 7am flight does not mean u don't need to put on clothes people.

THANK YOU! I was taught to look nice when you travel. I do not, however, want them to jack up the price. I wouldn't be able to afford it. I'm still classy

If any of you ever see me roaming the outside world, beyond my mailbox, in some jammies, tie me to the nearest post and call my mother. Obviously there is Trouble in River City.