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Yes - If parents have the money or miles, more power to them. 33 55.00%
No - People pay extra for a reason, and it's not so they can sit next to someone's little angel. 14 23.33%
Maybe - Only if they are well behaved -- and if they act up, to the back they go. 7 11.67%
Who cares? I won't be flying up front any time soon, so it's not my problem. Creepy elitists suck. 6 10.00%
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:14 AM   #1
 
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Should misbehaving children be allowed to fly in business or first class? I just stumbled off of a flight with frazzled nerves, and I'm grumpy. I paid cash to upgrade my work-provided cattle class seat to business. It was an international flight, I was expected to work upon arrival, and I needed to sleep. Also, I'm generally a panicky flyer, and having that extra few inches of space on all sides helps with the whole trapped-in-a-flying-coffin-just-moments-from-death feeling.

On this particular flight, there were six (6) kids in business class. Three were older and well behaved, no problem. The one is front of me was a toddler who occasionally wandered into my space and touched my stuff while his mother gave me her "isn't he ADORABLE" laugh. The other two toddlers were on the other side and several rows back, and they took turns screaming, crying, and chattering loudly the entire flight.

For some reason, the happy pills to help Anthro relax and sleep while strapped on top of several thousand pounds of explosive jet fuel didn't work so well. Needless to say, it's time to work and I feel like I pulled a stressful all-nighter. And I'm out of pocket $$$$. I am very tempted to write the airline and ask for a free upgrade for a future flight.

Kids up front?

My vote is for yes, if they have home training. Long-haul flights across the Pacific suck hosewater no matter what the circumstance, and parents should have the option of adding a little comfort for the family. My coworkers do this frequently, but their kids don't scream for 13 hours in the air.
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As I say in all of these types of posts, people need to accept that yes, children exist, children aren't perfect, children sometimes cry, scream, crap their pants, spill drinks, vomit, have temper tantrums and run around. They are everywhere and that won't be changing anytime soon so ADJUST.
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Yes, people with kids and their children have as much right to blah blah blah blah however, none of them should be wandering around touching your stuff and it does suck when they scream.

There isn't a lot you can do when your child starts crying and you're stuck somewhere. You can go through your whole bag of tricks and it may or may not work, especially if they are afraid or tired.

This is why my three year old still hasn't visited her parents (in Germany) or cousins (in the UK). Being stuck on a plane while she freaks out and other people give me the stink eye is just more than I want to deal with.
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I've never flown business class and probably never will, so I have to admit this is an issue that doesn't concern me in the least LOL.

If the airline calls it "Business" class, then I don't think it would be unreasonable to make it adults-only. But so long as there is no rule against kids being there, then kids should be allowed in.
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As I say in all of these types of posts, people need to accept that yes, children exist, children aren't perfect, children sometimes cry, scream, crap their pants, spill drinks, vomit, have temper tantrums and run around. They are everywhere and that won't be changing anytime soon so ADJUST.
Agreed!

But I think the whole idea of business class is elitist and silly so I voted the last option.
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Yes, people with kids and their children have as much right to blah blah blah blah however, none of them should be wandering around touching your stuff and it does suck when they scream.

There isn't a lot you can do when your child starts crying and you're stuck somewhere. You can go through your whole bag of tricks and it may or may not work, especially if they are afraid or tired.

This is why my three year old still hasn't visited her parents (in Germany) or cousins (in the UK). Being stuck on a plane while she freaks out and other people give me the stink eye is just more than I want to deal with.
This.

Although, I don't have relatives abroad, my kids still haven't been on a plane.
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I don't know.. At first I thought, well, if they pay the money they can sit where ever they like. But at the same time, parents have a responsiblity to KNOW their own kids. If they KNOW they don't travel well, don't do business class. Don't let the child wonder about and bother people. Yes, children bother people.

It's like when people take kids out to eat after "family hour". If they can handle it, fine. But if they are monsters who run around , then no. Heck if they run around, eat at home, regardless of the time.

I was at the mall, I had a lot of stuff to do. Isaiah started flipping out, I left.
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I like a peaceful flight, though in fairness, I've seen adults behave horridly on airplanes as well.
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How on earth would airlines implement a policy that would allow only "well-behaved" children in special seating?

I think when you buy a first class/business class whatever seat, you can expect a bigger seat, more leg room, a little better service (you get to get on the plane first and leave first etc). You don't really get to expect consideration from other passengers or a quiet flight. Any number of things can disrupt a flight, like turbulence and delays.
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I think when you buy a first class/business class whatever seat, you can expect a bigger seat, more leg room, a little better service (you get to get on the plane first and leave first etc). You don't really get to expect consideration from other passengers or a quiet flight.
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How on earth would airlines implement a policy that would allow only "well-behaved" children in special seating?

I think when you buy a first class/business class whatever seat, you can expect a bigger seat, more leg room, a little better service (you get to get on the plane first and leave first etc). You don't really get to expect consideration from other passengers or a quiet flight. Any number of things can disrupt a flight, like turbulence and delays.
Basically. Yeah, it can be incredibly annoying (at least) when children misbehave on a plane, and I'm sure it's even worse if you've dished out extra dough for a nice seat. But really, what can you do about it?
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Last time I took a flight, there were plenty of kids on the plane. I could hear them, and the one behind me spent most of the flight playing video games on the screen behind my head. I had to ask her to hit the thing more softly. But the real entertainment came from two adults when I fight broke out over the one pushing his seat back to take a nap. The j$rk behind him didn't like that. It doesn't matter where you sit, you still are among people, who might make noise/trouble/whatever. (BTW, that j$rk was escorted off the plane by local police before they allowed the rest of us to leave. Adults don't get a pass the way kids do.)
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How on earth would airlines implement a policy that would allow only "well-behaved" children in special seating?

I think when you buy a first class/business class whatever seat, you can expect a bigger seat, more leg room, a little better service (you get to get on the plane first and leave first etc). You don't really get to expect consideration from other passengers or a quiet flight. Any number of things can disrupt a flight, like turbulence and delays.

This.

Buying a business or first-class seat only entitles you to more space, early boarding, better service. It does not entitle you to a child-free zone. It's impossible to make a child stop crying. If the child is in your space or bothering you, you could complain to the parent, but I think that kinda puts you on the same level as the child...whiney.

Look on the bright side...the existance of children means there is going to be someone around to pay your Social Security when you're old. We need children as a society.
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As I say in all of these types of posts, people need to accept that yes, children exist, children aren't perfect, children sometimes cry, scream, crap their pants, spill drinks, vomit, have temper tantrums and run around. They are everywhere and that won't be changing anytime soon so ADJUST.
I know some adults who do this...LOL

Honestly, flying is just stressful. You're crammed into a container with God-knows-who, no leg room, and a seat that's too small for the average butt. Even if there were no kids on planes, there would still be people who talk to you when you want quiet, hog the armrest, snore and drool on you shoulder, etc. What's a loud kiddo added to the mix at that point?
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But I think the whole idea of business class is elitist and silly so I voted the last option.
Why is that? You pay more for service and amenities and you get more. That doesn't seem elitist or silly to me. No more than buying a nicer car would give you a nicer drive (and all the bells and whistles), even though any car could get you from point A to B.

I've never flown business class and I don't think its worth the cost (for me) but I can totally see why a person travelling a long distance on business who is expected to be fresh as a daisy the minute he/she arrives so that they can conduct their business would find it a worthwhile expense.
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I don't know.. At first I thought, well, if they pay the money they can sit where ever they like. But at the same time, parents have a responsiblity to KNOW their own kids. If they KNOW they don't travel well, don't do business class. Don't let the child wonder about and bother people. Yes, children bother people.

It's like when people take kids out to eat after "family hour". If they can handle it, fine. But if they are monsters who run around , then no. Heck if they run around, eat at home, regardless of the time.

I was at the mall, I had a lot of stuff to do. Isaiah started flipping out, I left.
I completely agree with this. I know kids have accidents, melt down, etc., etc. I don't expect them to behave like responsible adults.

I DO expect their parents to behave like responsible adults, and that includes taking responsibility for their children.

Some behavior is unavoidable and "accidental" -- babies and young kids are going to cry, scream, spill stuff, etc.
All understandable and forgiveable. What is NOT okay is running around the airplane, getting into people's stuff, kicking the seat back, fighting with sister/brother, standing up and staring over the seats, etc. THAT parents can take some responsibility for and need to.

And, please. If it's meal time and your kid flings food around and you know it, sit yourself between the child and the innocent adult on the other side. That way if he spills it lands on you or in the aisle.

It's like some parent take what IS natural and normal for a child and expand it into an excuse not to do any training/parenting and allow all kinds of brattiness to go on under the umbrella of "Oh, that's how kids are. Deal with it."
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But I think the whole idea of business class is elitist and silly so I voted the last option.
Why is that? You pay more for service and amenities and you get more. That doesn't seem elitist or silly to me. No more than buying a nicer car would give you a nicer drive (and all the bells and whistles), even though any car could get you from point A to B.
Yes, the "elitist and silly" comment seemed odd and didn't make sense to me.

The airlines' bread and butter is not vacationing families, with or without children, it's business travel. Providing business class is a way to offer a more comfortable option to people who are in the air several days a week (like my ex), and it's also a way (through "frequent flyer" type free upgrades) to reward those valuable customers who, because of their work schedule demands, usually can't use discounts, make advance reservations, take advantage of special deals, etc.

And I feel sorry for the frequent business traveler for whom a trip is work, not pleasure, who has to constantly deal with badly behaved children in tight places. Day after day after day. So maybe business class shouldn't allow small children after all. I guess there's no fair way to do it.
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I just listen to my music when I redeye it somewhere and don't want to listen to little kids crying. I preload my ipod with soft sleeping music. Works perfect every time.

Going on an airplane, esp for an extended time, can be VERY hard for a child. Plus children cry....just part of life.

I don't think it's right to decide where children can sit based on their "behavior"...that makes it sound like they are bad kids who constantly have behavior problems...when the reality is that being cooped up in a small area and not being able to move is pretty challenging for children.

I'd also rather listen to a crying child which is natural, then a stupid obnoxious adult who knows better, which is normally the ones I hear more often.
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