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Old 10-06-2009, 11:31 AM   #21
 
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some people think masturbation is a sin which makes me go how? but whatever.

Biblically, it's only sinful for men to masturbate. The bible doesn't care one bit about female masturbation. Doesn't even mention it. So...enjoy.
isn't that because they waste their seed so to speak? what about if you catch it and use it? they make bull semen hair conditioner why pay when you can borrow your man's for free??

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sometimes i do feel that religion more specifically
(christianity,islam,judiasim)hold back woman from being on top of men. i was raised roman catholic but i dont even like to call my self any religion just simply i believe in god heaven and hell .
another thing i noticed why is that the highest position in the church,the pope can only be a man and not a woman that doesnt seem logical i mean god did create men and woman equal didn't he?
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the church originally says (even though its sometimes denied)that if a woman gets raped , the woman is seen more guilty than the man rapist since she provoked the inocent man and brought out the bad in him. usually churches take that out but originally the bible says that.
Where does it say that?

Im not arguing against or anything just curious- Ive never heard anyone say this before.
I know that in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it says that if a man rapes a virgin, he has to pay her father some silver and then marry her. And they can never divorce. Yikes.
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i heard that on a program on the tv, it was about the roman catholic church in mexico that the original scripts of the roman catholic church does say that, but anyways it made an outrage in mexico with femenist groups and all woman, so the church always ommits it.
also in the q'ran (islam) it says how the womans beauty is the pinpoint of the devils evil
thats pretty much the reason of muslum woman and the head dress its used to not show there bodys to man, to save/protect them from abuse
but honestly i think that makes the problem worse because then you have a society of man who believe that the womans body is only a sexual symbol and needs to be covered.
we need to teach our sons that a womans bodys is notonly for sex and you need to respect woman no matter how they dress
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the church originally says (even though its sometimes denied)that if a woman gets raped , the woman is seen more guilty than the man rapist since she provoked the inocent man and brought out the bad in him. usually churches take that out but originally the bible says that.
Where does it say that?

Im not arguing against or anything just curious- Ive never heard anyone say this before.
I know that in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it says that if a man rapes a virgin, he has to pay her father some silver and then marry her. And they can never divorce. Yikes.
It's just before that: in Deuteronomy 22:23-27. If she's raped in a field she may live, but if raped in a city she must die.

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But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man should die.
Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. This case is similar to that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor.
Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.
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some people think masturbation is a sin which makes me go how? but whatever.

Biblically, it's only sinful for men to masturbate. The bible doesn't care one bit about female masturbation. Doesn't even mention it. So...enjoy.
isn't that because they waste their seed so to speak? what about if you catch it and use it? they make bull semen hair conditioner why pay when you can borrow your man's for free??

im just being silly!!!!! lol!!! continue


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Of course, there is little, if any adult entertainment currently on the market that reflects these values and would be a good choice for Christians. That leads us to call for a new kind of porn – porn that upholds the Christian ethos. Christ-centered porn, made to be viewed by Christians and tailored to their unique needs. We challenge Christians in the adult industry (yes, they do exist – and you know who you are) to step up and truly walk their walk and live their faith by producing pornography that men and women of God can view without compromising their relationship with their Savior, or their relationship with their spouse.
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Where does it say that?

Im not arguing against or anything just curious- Ive never heard anyone say this before.
I know that in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it says that if a man rapes a virgin, he has to pay her father some silver and then marry her. And they can never divorce. Yikes.
It's just before that: in Deuteronomy 22:23-27. If she's raped in a field she may live, but if raped in a city she must die.

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If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man should die.
Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. This case is similar to that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor.
Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.
I think the implication is that if a man has sex w/ another man's wife/fiancee and she doesn't object, they are both guilty of adultery/fornication. But if she does object (i.e., it's rape) then he is the guilty party.
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I know that in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it says that if a man rapes a virgin, he has to pay her father some silver and then marry her. And they can never divorce. Yikes.
It's just before that: in Deuteronomy 22:23-27. If she's raped in a field she may live, but if raped in a city she must die.

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If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man should die.
Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. This case is similar to that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor.
Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.
I think the implication is that if a man has sex w/ another man's wife/fiancee and she doesn't object, they are both guilty of adultery/fornication. But if she does object (i.e., it's rape) then he is the guilty party.
Yeah, but imagine having to be married to your rapist for life. Horrifying! The OT has some scary stuff in it.
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The Old Testament does have harsh law in it, but it's not meant to apply today. As someone reading the bible, you're not meant to live in light of those laws and that's pretty clear. They're reported, not being dictated. The Jewish people were being used, literally purposely preserved, and the harshness of how things were settled reflects the dynamics existing at the time.

Prurient interest, lasciviousness and 'yielding of your members to unrighteousness' is spoken against without respect to gender in the bible.

I think there's ignorance when people have only legalistic and not heart based understandings. It may very well be that the person is being pressured by some supposedly righteous authority, or s/he's walking by tradition alone when it comes down to it. But if your connection to the word of God lies in your heart, and not another's take on it, what sounds good to you, what doesn't sound good to you, the whole idea it matters what sort of sex you're having is null.

I can not have sex at all and constantly have my heart on it. Christ searches the heart according to scriptures. Why is sex bad? Sex isn't bad. But if you believe there's a context that God intended for it, and that you belong to him, desire to live according to his plan, you're going to be compelled to follow that intention. It's as simple as that. That's conviction, not a state of mind you can self will. So if you're trying to walk by your own will, it'll be extremely difficult.

While it might be simple, a person can still struggle. Being forgiven of your sins and reconciled to Christ doesn't make you sinless, doesn't put you above temptation. If someone is in a "technical virgin" situation and you believe you're not simply caring about how you're approaching sex in the first place because of external notions or pressure, I recommend praying about things and searching the scriptures, asking God for understanding. What you need to know is in there and can come through.
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The Old Testament does have harsh law in it, but it's not meant to apply today. As someone reading the bible, you're not meant to live in light of those laws and that's pretty clear. They're reported, not being dictated.


Yes, old laws, not supposed to follow them, follow the new testament instead, yada yada yada...Oh, except for that tithing law thing from the old testament, you're still supposed to follow that one. Gotta keep that money rolling in, no matter what the NT says.
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The Old Testament does have harsh law in it, but it's not meant to apply today. As someone reading the bible, you're not meant to live in light of those laws and that's pretty clear. They're reported, not being dictated.


Yes, old laws, not supposed to follow them, follow the new testament instead, yada yada yada...Oh, except for that tithing law thing from the old testament, you're still supposed to follow that one. Gotta keep that money rolling in, no matter what the NT says.
Oh, Lord, please don't get me started on tithing...I've made more than my fair share of pastors upset about that one. LOL
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The Old Testament does have harsh law in it, but it's not meant to apply today. As someone reading the bible, you're not meant to live in light of those laws and that's pretty clear. They're reported, not being dictated.


Yes, old laws, not supposed to follow them, follow the new testament instead, yada yada yada...Oh, except for that tithing law thing from the old testament, you're still supposed to follow that one. Gotta keep that money rolling in, no matter what the NT says.
I wouldn't go to a church where tithing was required and you were judged by men about you're tithing practices. Giving offerings out of your own volition, I understand. Feeling convicted that you should be giving, I understand. I actually was just talking about this with a man yesterday and why he got turned off from a church way back in the day and doesn't go now. Personally if I were to church shop, one that seems good, would seem good because they reconcile with the bible, not because I'm looking to that church to reconcile it for me. That's kinda dangerous, but when Christianity is seen just religiously, as something to 'find' or whatever, that's the approach. It's the most popular approach. The bible (so God if it's his word) says "Prove all things, hold fast that which is good." There are a ton of verses that point to understanding it for yourself, and not leaning on men. If God's word convicts you, that you're a sinner and lost, in need of a savior, and by the grace of God you wind up believing, then although I use the term "understand it for yourself," you are being brought to understand it. Either way, there's no basis for leaning on men (of course if you believe it was simply authored by men in spirit and in truth, then men besides those authors).
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Biblically, it's only sinful for men to masturbate. The bible doesn't care one bit about female masturbation. Doesn't even mention it. So...enjoy.
I know there's a passage in the Bible about a woman with a gem-encrusted golden dildo.
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Yeah, but imagine having to be married to your rapist for life. Horrifying!
Oddly enough, that law may have been used to let couples elope when their parents objected to the marriage. I can't remember how sure people are that that kind of thing happened, though.

Women were seen as property in the area and period in which the Pentateuch was developed. And women were basically property in our society up through the nineteenth century. Widowers used to be able to sue for "loss of services" resulting from the death of their wives, under what was essentially property law.
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Biblically, it's only sinful for men to masturbate. The bible doesn't care one bit about female masturbation. Doesn't even mention it. So...enjoy.
I know there's a passage in the Bible about a woman with a gem-encrusted golden dildo.
If you're referring to the passage in the Song of Solomon where Solomon is saying "the curves of your hips are like jewels" and then goes on to talk about Shulamith's navel (it's been said the word 'navel' is in place of vulva)... in Hebrew the term used was "basin of roundness" and it fits the anatomical progression in the passage that a navel is being talked about. Not sure if you're thinking about that passage though. There isn't another one that could somehow be rationally stretched (really not that that one can) to mean that though.

(btw, pretty sure it was you who I was talking evolution with, and I have read what you had to say (need to really process it though) and am aiming to respond, but it's something I want to take out time with. My internet habits are kinda ADD fueled, but I don't want you to feel like your input wasn't considered).
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I know there's a passage in the Bible about a woman with a gem-encrusted golden dildo.
If you're referring to the passage in the Song of Solomon where Solomon...
Nope, it's from one of the Five Books of Moses, and it's definitely a dildo and not a metaphor.

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