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Here's what bothers me the most. The nomination deadline was February 1st. That means he was nominated a couple of weeks into his term. I know the prize can be awarded on the basis of someone showing promise, but really? 2 weeks?
Yeah, the nomination deadline was in Feb., but for all we know they could have just arrived at a decision on who the prize would go to last week. Anybody can be nominated. (Well, probably not anybody, but you know what I mean.)
ITA. Like someone from the Curly Community perhaps? We do our share to promote Peace with our indigenous texture as well as the texture of those less follicularly fortunate.

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[...]the Prize cites Obama's diplomacy for embracing "values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population." In other words, the Nobel seems to be a "thank God you're not trying to be a big swinging dick of a unilateral superpower" rather than a "thanks for getting rid of the nukes" letter.
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I think Obama's comments on accepting the prize are pretty good:

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Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning. After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday!" And then Sasha added, "Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up." So it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective.
I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions.
We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy.
We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect.
And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.
We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future.
And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people.
Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency. Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone. This award is not simply about the efforts of my administration -- it's about the courageous efforts of people around the world.
And that's why this award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity -- for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace.
That has always been the cause of America. That's why the world has always looked to America. And that's why I believe America will continue to lead.
Thank you very much.
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I just don't think anyone who's authorized bombing anywhere (regardless of justified or not) should be getting a peace prize.
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I'm just hearing about this.. crazy. Now the Nobel Peace Prize has no meaning anymore.
I completely disagree. By saying this, you are denigrating all the previous Nobel Peace Laureates.

You disagree with the committee's selection of President Obama and that's fine, but to say that it makes the award meaningless is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, in my opinion.
Really? I don't think I applied my comment to previous winners.

We're all entitled to our opinions.
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It is a tad bit premature, but I like the timing because it's gotten the world's attention and now we can go forward.

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IMO, he should be moving forward regardless of the awards that he's receiving, or the publicity. It seems as if he's more of a celebrity than anything else these days and I agree that he really hasn't done much.

The American people are counting on him for help and this is seen in MANY interviews from the general public. Obama will save us. Obama will give us free health care. Obama will give us more money in our paychecks (not if free healthcare passes!) and so on.

We are too focused on what WE as individuals are getting, but not on how this will affect our country and our children years from now.

He kept promising the hope and change...and people have a lot of hope in him. I hope things start changing soon...
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It is a tad bit premature, but I like the timing because it's gotten the world's attention and now we can go forward.

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IMO, he should be moving forward regardless of the awards that he's receiving, or the publicity. It seems as if he's more of a celebrity than anything else these days and I agree that he really hasn't done much.

The American people are counting on him for help and this is seen in MANY interviews from the general public. Obama will save us. Obama will give us free health care. Obama will give us more money in our paychecks (not if free healthcare passes!) and so on.

We are too focused on what WE as individuals are getting, but not on how this will affect our country and our children years from now.

He kept promising the hope and change...and people have a lot of hope in him. I hope things start changing soon...
I think this award shows it is not just the American people who are counting on him. The whole world is watching him with hope.
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It is a tad bit premature, but I like the timing because it's gotten the world's attention and now we can go forward.

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IMO, he should be moving forward regardless of the awards that he's receiving, or the publicity. It seems as if he's more of a celebrity than anything else these days and I agree that he really hasn't done much.

The American people are counting on him for help and this is seen in MANY interviews from the general public. Obama will save us. Obama will give us free health care. Obama will give us more money in our paychecks (not if free healthcare passes!) and so on.

We are too focused on what WE as individuals are getting, but not on how this will affect our country and our children years from now.

He kept promising the hope and change...and people have a lot of hope in him. I hope things start changing soon...
I think this award shows it is not just the American people who are counting on him. The whole world is watching him with hope.

I think Obama got this award because Americans (and the whole world really) are so goddamned relieved to be rid of Bushy McStoopid and his boss, Uncle Evil Cheney. I also think it was a bid on the part of Nobel group to put pressure on Obama to get out of these middle eastern wars.
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I'm just hearing about this.. crazy. Now the Nobel Peace Prize has no meaning anymore.
I completely disagree. By saying this, you are denigrating all the previous Nobel Peace Laureates.

You disagree with the committee's selection of President Obama and that's fine, but to say that it makes the award meaningless is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, in my opinion.
Really? I don't think I applied my comment to previous winners.

We're all entitled to our opinions.
Yes, we are. That's why I put "in my opinion" in there - I disagree with you, you disagree with me.
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I thought his Cairo speech was transformative. I don't know if I'm alone in that, but it was a huge step in demonstrating our willingness to cooperate with the world instead of bully it.

I'm interested to hear Israel's reaction. I think they know there's going to be a change in US policy with them. At least I hope that's what the signals mean.
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I heard the news this morning and my first thought was that this is a joke.

As the reality sinks in, I am sort of stuck between amusement

and shock.

I know I should not be at all surprised though. The award was diminished the second it was given to the terrorist, Yasser Arafat. Whatever.

And I do think it diminishes the integrity of the Nobel Peace Prize when it goes to someone like Obama who, besides giving some lofty speeches, has done nothing of real substance to advance peace. That responsibility lies with those who decided to award this prize, not to those who are criticizing the decision.
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Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning. After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday!" And then Sasha added, "Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up." So it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective.
I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions.
We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy.
We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect.
And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.
We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future.
And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people.
Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency. Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone. This award is not simply about the efforts of my administration -- it's about the courageous efforts of people around the world.
And that's why this award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity -- for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace.
That has always been the cause of America. That's why the world has always looked to America. And that's why I believe America will continue to lead.
Thank you very much.
I like this too. Thanks for posting.
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Here's what bothers me the most. The nomination deadline was February 1st. That means he was nominated a couple of weeks into his term. I know the prize can be awarded on the basis of someone showing promise, but really? 2 weeks?

Also, one of the other nominees did some really incredible work in the Congo.
"Dr Mukwege had treated 21,000 women suffering from devastating gynecological injuries as a result of rape in Congo's brutal war. He is the only gynecologist treating these wounds in the country" (source)

I feel like that definitely deserves recognition and honor more than two weeks in office showing "promise"
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I heard the news this morning and my first thought was that this is a joke.

As the reality sinks in, I am sort of stuck between amusement

and shock.

I know I should not be at all surprised though. The award was diminished the second it was given to the terrorist, Yasser Arafat. Whatever.

And I do think it diminishes the integrity of the Nobel Peace Prize when it goes to someone like Obama who, besides giving some lofty speeches, has done nothing of real substance to advance peace. That responsibility lies with those who decided to award this prize, not to those who are criticizing the decision.
But sometimes "giving lofty speeches" does advance peace. He was so very well received in Cairo when he spoke there, and I think that speech made a difference.

That being said, I think it was awarded too early in his presidency. I have no doubt at all that he will be worthy of the honor, but it was just too early.

Having read his response, I think he feels something of the same.
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I thought his Cairo speech was transformative. I don't know if I'm alone in that, but it was a huge step in demonstrating our willingness to cooperate with the world instead of bully it.

I'm interested to hear Israel's reaction. I think they know there's going to be a change in US policy with them. At least I hope that's what the signals mean.
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So what now it's ok to let the Middle Eastern crazies in power kill off Israel so that the U.S. doesn't look like a bully? Hmmmmm I'd rather come off as a bully.
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I do think many parts of the world are looking at Obama with hope - as well as relief that Bush is no longer in power. I still have faith that Obama will accomplish quite a bit. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of pressure he's under...
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I guess if they award the Prize on intention, then that's fine, but I thought it was based on actual acts.
It's pretty common for the Nobel Peace Prize to be used as encouragement, rather than as a reward. That's why warhawks like Arafat and Kissinger have won.
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I do think many parts of the world are looking at Obama with hope - as well as relief that Bush is no longer in power. I still have faith that Obama will accomplish quite a bit. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of pressure he's under...
I agree on all counts, absolutely. But I'm still not sure that's enough to base a Nobel Peace Prize on.
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Talk, schmalk. Anybody can talk about peace.

I didn't hear his Cairo speech that a few posters have referenced. I would ask, what tangible evidence do we have that that particular speech did anything? Besides it sounding good, what did it actually accomplish?

Has he brokered any peace talks?
Has he brokered a peace treaty?

By the way, The Beer Talks with Officer Crowley and Professor Gates don't count!

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Sima Samar, women's rights activist in Afghanistan: "With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women's Affairs."

Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years.

"Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence."

Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: "These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon."

"Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for 'inciting subversion of state power.'"

"Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. He now lives in the United States."
I don't know how anybody can make a rational argument that Obama has done anything even remotely close to the above examples.
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So what now it's ok to let the Middle Eastern crazies in power kill off Israel so that the U.S. doesn't look like a bully? Hmmmmm I'd rather come off as a bully.
I'd rather not have my taxes involved in Israel's apartheid policies and war crimes.

(I'm Jewish I don't hate Jews blah blah blah)
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I guess if they award the Prize on intention, then that's fine, but I thought it was based on actual acts.
It's pretty common for the Nobel Peace Prize to be used as encouragement, rather than as a reward. That's why warhawks like Arafat and Kissinger have won.
As encouragement? As in, "Here, have this prestigious award. Now that we've given it to you we encourage you to quit trying to kill everyone who doesn't agree with you"? (That isn't snark; I really am trying to understand!)

I know the committees have always interpreted the original tenets of the prize loosely.
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