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Old 11-08-2009, 12:39 AM   #41
 
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Empressri, my point is that I don't think anyone wants to eat gross food. So, even people who may not have the neatest appearance or home will have a hard time being unsanitary when cooking, nevermind that it would take a whole lot for one to end up sick anyway. When my mom says that she doesn't know if someone is clean, I tend to roll my eyes. My mom is clean, but what's to stop someone from wondering about her? Then there are certain relatives who say this about a restaurant, and even better, "well, I don't know if the food's good!" Yeah, that's why you take a gamble. Odds are you'll make it out alive.

And yeah, people have horror stories. Because they make good stories. You aren't going to hear about a restaurant passing with flying colors. I have never worked or trailed at place that broke any rules that the average person would know about or be scandalized by (see post above this one). That's a lot of restaurants. We're supposed to be provided with hairnets, but most places haven't offered them. That's a violation. Ooh, points lost! Containers found without proper labeling--- more points! There are many reasons why points are deducted. The average joe doesn't know about the minuteae behind a restaurant inspection.
And if you really believe the person cooking your food is getting a brand new spoon after every single order, well, I guess you need to believe what you need to believe. Because again, the incredible amount of bacteria couldn't possibly be killed off by the high heat!
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What is church food? Is it blessed before and after cooking? LOL

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Empressri, my point is that I don't think anyone wants to eat gross food. So, even people who may not have the neatest appearance or home will have a hard time being unsanitary when cooking, nevermind that it would take a whole lot for one to end up sick anyway. When my mom says that she doesn't know if someone is clean, I tend to roll my eyes. My mom is clean, but what's to stop someone from wondering about her? Then there are certain relatives who say this about a restaurant, and even better, "well, I don't know if the food's good!" Yeah, that's why you take a gamble. Odds are you'll make it out alive.

And yeah, people have horror stories. Because they make good stories. You aren't going to hear about a restaurant passing with flying colors. I have never worked or trailed at place that broke any rules that the average person would know about or be scandalized by (see post above this one). That's a lot of restaurants. We're supposed to be provided with hairnets, but most places haven't offered them. That's a violation. Ooh, points lost! Containers found without proper labeling--- more points! There are many reasons why points are deducted. The average joe doesn't know about the minutiae behind a restaurant inspection.
And if you really believe the person cooking your food is getting a brand new spoon after every single order, well, I guess you need to believe what you need to believe. Because again, the incredible amount of bacteria couldn't possibly be killed off by the high heat!
Health departments do make all of the details of all restaurant/eateries inspections public. I know NYC's DOHMH does online and so did the health department in several other cities I lived in.

Ignoring those going by hearsay, I am assuming the average joes and marys who take the time to looks up the points are going to see what the violations were for because more often than not, the details are next to the points. Also, there are different levels of points for different violations. There are plenty of places I avoid after seeing they are repeat offenders of major violations. Fortunately, those are very few. I avoid more for substandard food. A little dirt has yet to kill me, but the thought of eating horrible food is makes me sick indeed.
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Honestly, I've always found it funny how people freak out about how someone might or might not be clean.
Really now, tamales? You mean those things that go into boiling water (212 degrees) and simmer for a good long while? Oh no, someone may have dipped their spoon in there and surely the bacteria from her spit will survive and destroy us all! That's one magic loogie!
I wonder if you ever eat at restaurants. We are clean, there are laws in place, we have no intention of doing anything that could get someone sick, but food gets touched. Food gets tasted (with a spoon that goes into a bain of water, with the water being changed regularly so it doesn't look like a filthy mess).
The idea that other people aren't as clean as you when preparing food is just a bit silly and paranoid. I have no doubt that in empressri's case the food was improperly prepared or handled, but even then I would guess it had more to do with temperature abuse than church lady not washing her hands after going to the bathroom or something.
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Ever notice how it's always the people who are the most anal and germphobic that end up getting sick the most? Like Charlotte in the (god-awful) Sex and the City movie...wouldn't eat or drink anything in Mexico, ended up swallowing a tiny bit of water in the shower, and BOOM!
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Empressri, my point is that I don't think anyone wants to eat gross food. So, even people who may not have the neatest appearance or home will have a hard time being unsanitary when cooking, nevermind that it would take a whole lot for one to end up sick anyway. When my mom says that she doesn't know if someone is clean, I tend to roll my eyes. My mom is clean, but what's to stop someone from wondering about her? Then there are certain relatives who say this about a restaurant, and even better, "well, I don't know if the food's good!" Yeah, that's why you take a gamble. Odds are you'll make it out alive.
You are a brave soul!!!! I just can't bring myself to eat everyone's food, my mother is the same way, my mother half is the same way. I laugh cause his mother brought him up the same way, they could be at a family function and she would give a little nod or shake her head and what him and his sister could eat cause some people kept a nasty house.

Lawdy, why another girl at worked offered me a cookie yesterday? She said she bakes a lot. I questioned her cleanliness ESPECIALLY since I sat behind her and she kept scratching and digging at her scalp! Not once, not twice, but every few minutes. And wanted to offer me a cookie?!

Iara, maybe?? lol!!! The lady that cooked the food told the girl herself it was church food.
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My best friend used to work at a movie theater. Whenever we went to a movie together, she would shred the popcorn and soda container when she was through with them. She said that otherwise management would insist they would be reused.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:37 AM   #46
 
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one of my friends told me don't eat anything that isn't prepackaged from the movies lol
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im with Saria. im not too picky about absolute cleansiness when it comes to food. ive only had one case of food poisoning in my life considering all my travels so it never worries me. with the exception of this one time when i was younger working for a friends family owned nightclub; while cleaning up after closing the manager told us to grab the cherries in the drinking glasses and put them back in the jar. Yuck. i never had a drink with a cherry there ever again.
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I definitely wash my hands all the time, but I'm not too fussy, either. I did get food poisoning once, but it was my own fault: I left a pie with sour cream out for days, but kept eating it. That was a vile lesson learned.
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Iara, yes, but I don't think most people are looking up why a restaurant got the score it did.

Empressri, see that stuff about the mother shaking her head is something I know about. I have two aunts guilty of this. They might be at someone's house and come up with excuses why their kids can't eat this or that. They'll give a motion if the kid is about to grab something. To me, that's extremely rude and disingenuous. I mean, unless you see them grinding up human meat, or rubbing their butts all over the food, or picking their noses, or the food just looks or smells completely unappetizing, or something tangible, what is the big deal? Odds are your kid will survive.
And like OBB said, if you go to certain countries, you'll find that some of the tastiest food that can be had is not necessarily prepared with much attention paid to our sanitation standards. People eat what they eat and they're alive and kickin'.

Legends, yes! Being exposed to those scary germs can actually help people. Imagine that! I wrote that post in large part to Lotsawaves because she seems particularly preoccupied with germs (I still remember the washing brand new clothes debacle).
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Gross. Not just the actual scraping of the frosting. I'm more grossed out by people who can eat sickly sweet frosting by itself like that. Freaks.
Hee, I know. I scrape off the frosting, too, but that's because I don't like it. Way too sweet. I just eat the cupcake plain.
I don't like too much icing either, but my husband is one of those freaks that can eat it by the spoonful.

Whenever they have some kind of department party and they have a sheet cake, he goes over after the cake is gone and scrapes up all the leftover icing that people left stuck to the cake plate and eats it.

He would never eat the icing and leave the cupcake though. A) He's not tacky and B) I think he likes the cake part too much
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People are gross. I think I've told the Whole Foods story about a customer who was picking out of some tofu salad (at the salad bar) while he was talking to someone. Not only did he not have to pay for it but the germs, the germs! Thing is, he wasn't sneaking and eating at all. He apparently saw no problem with it. I confronted him, stupidly, and he still acted like he didn't see what the big deal was or that he'd care if other customers did the same. He did, however, go back in to pay for the pan of salad, which management had to throw out.
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Ummm, I forgot to mention that I had hepatitis once, too, from contaminated food. I think a pretzel vendor in Chicago was the source.

When I told a doctor a few years ago, however, he assumed I meant that I'd slept with the pretzel vendor.
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for me when it comes to food preparation ignorance is bliss.
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Saria, I still think you are brave if you can eat food from someone who keeps a nasty house. To me if you keep a nasty house you have nasty habits and I don't want to eat anything you cook.

I remember my last job, my old boss and I were making cookies for the kids. We both had on gloves. Why did she scratch her head WITH the glove on, and a few minutes later bend down to wipe something off of her boot with her gloved hand? All the time still handling the raw cookie dough.

Yeah yeah, all that shabazz about it going in the oven and baking and germs being killed blah blah. That's still nasty as hell to me and I made sure not to eat any of the cookies she'd touched. The kids that ate her cookies were fine of course but I have a sensitive stomach and the thought of even putting what she touched in my mouth made me queasy.

My mother is the same way. She had a coworker who bought her and the other people in the office a pizza and then called himself serving everyone. This was a man who wasn't the cleanest, and would openly pick his nose in the office all day and just looked dirty. I remember going there when I was younger and you know how you can see dirt under people's nails?

So he served them the pizza with his bare hands, touching only the crust. My mother ate as much as she could so she would be polite, not eating the crust, but she couldn't keep it down.

We have sensitive stomachs around here.
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Heh, there was no need to to wear gloves to make cookies! Cookie dough is not ready to eat food, technically, though I know people do eat it. But aside from that, I do not wear gloves at home when preparing anything, unless it's really messy, like beets.
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Iara, yes, but I don't think most people are looking up why a restaurant got the score it did.
Oh. I just assumed people found the score by going to the health department's site like I do. I did not know there were places to read the scores that are not connected to the list of violations. Kind of pointless to have a score without the meaning associate with it. I see what you mean now.




So, CIBC, did you find the culprit? Was it the intern?
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Heh, there was no need to to wear gloves to make cookies! Cookie dough is not ready to eat food, technically, though I know people do eat it. But aside from that, I do not wear gloves at home when preparing anything, unless it's really messy, like beets.
Nooo Saria at the center (it was a non profit) the person that did the inspection said that gloves had to be worn when handling all food.

Off topic that kitchen was so filthy I didn't even want to make anything in there. It was a wonder they passed inspection.
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People get paranoid about inspections, but that is flat-out wrong. Gloves are for food that is ready to eat. Say, cheese on a pasta dish, fruit, or a green salad. Or actual baked cookies. Not cookie dough, not raw meat that will be cooked, not vegetables that will be cooked.
Whenever the health department shows up, people start putting on gloves no matter what they're doing, and I just shake my head because there is no explaining the ready to eat thing to anyone.
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People get paranoid about inspections, but that is flat-out wrong. Gloves are for food that is ready to eat. Say, cheese on a pasta dish, fruit, or a green salad. Or actual baked cookies. Not cookie dough, not raw meat that will be cooked, not vegetables that will be cooked.
Noo the lady that came from the, let me see, board of health I think? They had an after school and senior center and the only food that could be handled without gloves was the prepacked lunches or cookies or fruits. When grilling the hotdogs and hamburgers we had to wear those damned gloves (NOT fun) and when serving them we had to. Them catching the people in the kitchen with no gloves would have equaled a fine.
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