Please help with product suggestions

Hello. My daughter is 9 years old. I am white, with some Italian. My husband is 1/2 black and 1/2 white.

I am honestly not sure what my daughter's hair "number" is. I have looked all over the internet and can't figure it out.

I have been to many blogs with curly girls. I have tried many products and none have worked. I am at my wits end. I am asking for advice on how to care for her hair and what products to buy as well as a routine that will work for her curls.

I honestly can't afford to buy anymore products that I think will work, but don't.

I want her to love her hair. I am to the point that I am so frustrated, I just want to straighten it or use keratin.

Her hair sucks up moisture so quickly. When her hair is wet, it dries really quickly in most spots. I am running out of styles to use on her hair, as I still can't cornrow yet. I can't let her hair down, ever!

I have enclosed two pictures. One is of her hair in the morning, with product in it and nice and curly.
The second one is of her hair before she goes to bed, when she wears her hair down. It is a knotty mess, frizzy, tangled, dry.

Please help me. Thank you
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She has gorgeous hair. There is no reason to cornrow her hair unless that holds some cultural significance to you. I would think cornrows would work better on hair that doesn't need to be wet styled once every three days for the amount of time they take to put in. Her hair looks as if it doesn't have a lot of moisture to last the whole day. Do you use a leave in conditioner or leave some of her rinse out conditioner in. Also do you use a gel?

I would also put her hair in two loose braids, one loose braid or a big bun (pineapple) on the top of her head before bed. That should prevent tangles.

What shampoo do you use? You may want to use a nonsulfate one. Her hair looks like it is medium texture so maybe Tresseme Naturals moisturizing conditioner and leave a little in. You can use a cheap gel like LA Looks or Dove hard hold. Dry hair with paper towels or t-shirt. It will be a little damp but let it be. No brushing.

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3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
Check out the curly girl book and the newbie threads on NC. Also www.tightlycurly.com. your daughter's hair looks low maintenance once you learn a basic routine. You can always dampen frizzy parts in the morning AND just put a little conditioner and/or gel and twirl around your finger.

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3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
Thank you, she does have such beautiful hair, that is why I need to learn to care for it, so she'll love it and feel blessed to have such curls.

I was only thinking of cornrows as a different style for her hair, since it becomes a mess when she wears it down during day.

Right now we are using the Infusium 23 shampoo, conditioner and leave-in.

I bought the CG method book and read it. I would like to follow that but, and please don't judge me, I don't know what to do or what I'm looking for, product wise.

I mean, I have read what it says to do. But, I am not sure what "drugstore" or "regular store" products would be good to use, for every aspect of the CG method. Also, I am sort of torn between 2 of the "types" listed in the CG book.

I do have gel, mousse, almost anything you can think of.

At night, I will bun or braid here hair and I put a "wave cap" on her head to keep her hair from getting knotty.

Also, I have bought those Curls Like Us Curl Cloths from CurlMart to dry her hair with.

I know you said, "no brushing" but her hair gets extremely knotty. I don't know how I am not supposed to brush it.
I do brush my hair with a Denman brush when there is a lot of conditioner in it. Once her styling products are in and unless you are styling her hair into a smooth bun or into a braid then dry with the curls like us cloth and don't brush anymore.

Unfortunately this is a trial and error process so there are no stupid questions. Don't get hung up on the curl types. They aren't important. Hair properties such as fine/medium/coarse texture and porosity are more important. What would probably work is to conditioner wash with one of the suave naturals conditioner (use it like a shampoo) and then follow up with tresseme naturals moisturizing conditioner. Comb it through with a wide tooth comb and then follow with your brush. You can also add a little olive oil to her hair. Let this sit for at least 5 minutes and then rinse most of it out. Leave just a little bit in or add a dime size to het ends and a litlle on the canopy. Add gel, a quarter size. Smooth it in with your hands. You may need to twirl some of the ringlets around your fingers to define. Dry, style in a braid or let it dry down. It may take two weeks for you to start seeing a difference. She may need a little protein in her hair. Not sure if the Infusium has that or is Curly Girl.

As for the book, she would probably benefit from the corkicelli or corkscrew or fractal routines.

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3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
Product wise. Shampoos that have the word sulfate you want to pass on. You are looking for coco betaine which is usually found in health food shampoos or cream of nature or other brands will see no sulfates on shampoo.

For conditioners, you want products that don't have words ending in cone or xane. Amodimethicone is a water soluble cone so it may not give you trouble in het hair. I would skip the other cones though.

The other things such as proteins and emollients depend on her texture (fine, medium, coarse) and porosity. I am thinking but could be wrong that her hair is medium texture and normal porosity. This means she should be able to use most products. I would skip the mousse and stick with gel. You may also want to stay away from products that have glycerin as one of the top three ingredients. Glycerin can rob hair of moisture in humid and dry climates.

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3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
Thank you. I'll look into it. We were doing the Tightly Curly method but the products keep changing their ingredients. That was working for us.
Also try argon oil. It will help keep down frizz.
Thank you, she does have such beautiful hair, that is why I need to learn to care for it, so she'll love it and feel blessed to have such curls.

I was only thinking of cornrows as a different style for her hair, since it becomes a mess when she wears it down during day.

Right now we are using the Infusium 23 shampoo, conditioner and leave-in.

I bought the CG method book and read it. I would like to follow that but, and please don't judge me, I don't know what to do or what I'm looking for, product wise.

I mean, I have read what it says to do. But, I am not sure what "drugstore" or "regular store" products would be good to use, for every aspect of the CG method. Also, I am sort of torn between 2 of the "types" listed in the CG book.

I do have gel, mousse, almost anything you can think of.

At night, I will bun or braid here hair and I put a "wave cap" on her head to keep her hair from getting knotty.

Also, I have bought those Curls Like Us Curl Cloths from CurlMart to dry her hair with.

I know you said, "no brushing" but her hair gets extremely knotty. I don't know how I am not supposed to brush it.
Originally Posted by mom2girlsnboy
Finger comb her hair very gently in small sections, brushing is for straight hair, you won't ever be able to easily run a brush through your daughter's hair and you don't actually need to. Many curlies do not brush their hair ever, do not comb even daily, some just finger detangle in the shower and at no other time.

Avoiding or limiting tangles is about the right products, techniques, overnight care. Looking at your daughter's end of day photos I don't think you are using anywhere near enough conditioner or not a truly moisturising one (ignore the strapline, consider ingredients). I would not bother with stylers like gel or mousse, you can conditioner-only style.

Kids don't produce sebum or sweat like adults do, if you are not using silicones that build up they don't necessarily need shampooing, you can either conditioner only wash or pre oil overnight then shampoo. This will strip and dry out the hair much less. There are videos on YouTube of parents caring for their children's naturally kinky coily hair using the CG or Tightly Curly methods.
Kynnedy Wash Day: How to Wash you Princess (TODDLERS) Hair with no Fuss! - YouTube (part of a whole series)

There are also children's curly hair products, I believe the adult CURLS line is available in both Walmart and Target now, I am guessing their kids range Curly Q's is too, that whole line is Curly Girl friendly and originally designed for kinky coily hair. If you like it you can get 32oz bottles on the CURLS website. Curly Hair Care Advice | Curly Hair Products & Natural Hair Care Products | Shampoo, Gel & More

The Infusium 23 leave in is little more than silicones it's not moisturising, it doesn't actually contain much in the way of true conditioning agents like cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols. You might be best purchasing a regular creamy type conditioner and using that as a leave in. In the short term the Infusium 23 regular conditioner you have is better than the leave in.

Please don't put a relaxer, a texlax or a keratin 'treatment' on your daughter's hair (I can tell you don't want to anyway). These contain harsh chemicals that have no business on a child's delicate skin or hair, don't believe any stylist that tells you anything different. I've heard horror stories of kids younger than yours who have already started with hair loss on their edges from being subjected to adult treatments and adult styling.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Her hair has the potential to be really beautiful. You're on the right track because you want to learn how to take care of it. Looks like it could really use some moisture. Since it has a tendency to tangle, you might want to try this CA Baby Hair De-Tangler (gluten free protein) I use it as a protein spray, but it would be a great detangler for her.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
Chocolatehairvanillahair.com. Look it up. I have three biracial daughters and your daughters hair looks like my youngest. This hair type is not hard to take care of.., I promise. I cowash her hair most of the time atleast twice a week and maybe use shampoo once a month. I use Shea moisture curl and style milk after washing/cowashing. I then pineapple her hair at night. I know how to cornrow because I have to braid my other daughters' hair, but I don't cornrow my youngest hair. Here is a pic of her hair. Please help with product suggestions-imageuploadedbytapatalk1371875105.563289.jpgPlease help with product suggestions-imageuploadedbytapatalk1371875146.544099.jpgPlease help with product suggestions-imageuploadedbytapatalk1371875202.630682.jpg
I agree, don't relax her hair. I'm 19 now, I have hair just like your daughters, maybe a bit curlier. Any who when I was 13 I let my aunt put a relaxer on my hair, because it'd be "easier to deal with" NO my hair became dry, broke off, and looked horrible over time ofcourse. Well I decided no more a little over a year ago, you should make sure she knows her hair is beautiful, my mom constantly told me how ugly mine was and difficult, yes curly hair is a task, but she was blessed with it, no two people have the same hair, so not every routine will work for everyone, the most important thing is to keep her hair moisturized!!! Main thing!! Doesn't matter with what! Just as long as it works for her hair, baby girl has GORGEOUS hair!!!
Thanks for the feedback. I honestly don't & won't relax her hair! Just frustrated.

I've looked at chocolatehairvanillacare. I posted here to find other mothers or curlies who have close to my daughters hair to help with suggestions.

I am going to try Mixed Chicks and see how that works or maybe Shea Moisture since I've heard good things about it.

I am just in desperate need of something that holds moisture in or gives her hair moisture and something that stops the frizz, puffiness, and knots.

I want to be able to take care of her hair so she'll know what to do when she's older and wont want to relax or straighten it.
about the knots: my hair tangles more whenever I try to brush it... (10 minutes later the tangles are worse, far worse).
I stopped brushing my hair 3 months ago (only comb it on the shower) and I have faaaar less tangles than I used to have
2c: fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity, normal-high density
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Conditioner: Yes to Cucumbers
Styler: BRHG, Garnier Fructis Gel
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Have you tried the CG route and avoiding sulfates and silicones? Mixed Chicks is not CG and will probably not offer enough moisture. I would either try conditioner washing with Suave Naturals or a sulfate free shampoo and then follow up with Tresseme Naturals, Shea Moisture, Curls or another CG conditioner. You could still follow the tightlycurly method. If she still needs moisture then try using Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose conditioner as a weekly deep conditioner or as needed.

I think you may be slightly overwhelmed, but start simple. Her routine is the same as a straight hair person, but without sulfates and silicones and you don't dry her hair with a regular towel or comb/brush it once it is in a style or beginning to dry. I hope that helps.

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HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
I just started using aunt Jackie's. it is cheap but a very natural, good product. They have a whole line. Their Knot on My Watch is a detangler that works great and their Curl La La helps keep the hair in pretty curls without frizz. I found my at the Dollar General for $5. On curl Mart it is $11. Like I said my youngest looks like she has hair just like your daughters and those are working.
My son has a similar type of hair as your daughter. He wore it long for a long time and I just got tired of the messy hair and cut it all of. Then I became a natural and I learned a lot about curly hair products. I bought and use a lot of products on his hair and the only thing that works for his curls is Soft & Beautiful Botanicals Sculpting Foam. I wet his hair in the morning and just put a few pumps on my hand and smooth his wet hair with it. When he returns home 8 hours later, his hair looks still nice. We live in the Caribbean where is hot and humid and he sweats a lot and this product has work like a miracle on his hair. I've tried so many products and this is the only thing I would recommend.
I think I finally found a great product! These were $1.99 at Target. These worked great in my youngest daughters hair. Can't wait to try in oldest daughters hair.Please help with product suggestions-imageuploadedbycurltalk1372045339.394543.jpg
I almost have the exact same ethnicity as your daughter! And our hair is very similar. I would recommend to stop using the keratin line. This acted like a protein in my hair and dries it out to a crispy hot mess! Instead use something with oils or butters. Treseme naturals is my personal fav for a cheap conditioner. To make sure she keeps her curl definition, finger twist the curls. It took me a little while to learn, but now I can finger twist my entire head in under 5 min. There are tons of videos on YouTube explaining this method so I would watch a few, it seems to work on every hair type. As far as hairstyles, instead of braiding, just try twisting. You can fake a French braid look with twists and its super easy!
Love my auburn 3b/3c curls!! Favorite products are Treseme Naturals conditioner and DevaCare ArcAngel(<---miracle for definition!) I really just want to GROW MY HAIR OUT!! It's not really working...

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