The Rage Is Not About Health Care

Did anyone read THE FRANK RICH OP ED in the New York Times?

And this parallel between now days and civil rights is spot on:

But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That’s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance.

The apocalyptic predictions then, like those about health care now, were all framed in constitutional pieties, of course. Barry Goldwater, running for president in ’64, drew on the counsel of two young legal allies, William Rehnquist and Robert Bork, to characterize the bill as a “threat to the very essence of our basic system” and a “usurpation” of states’ rights that “would force you to admit drunks, a known murderer or an insane person into your place of business.” Richard Russell, the segregationist Democratic senator from Georgia, said the bill “would destroy the free enterprise system.” David Lawrence, a widely syndicated conservative columnist, bemoaned the establishment of “a federal dictatorship.” Meanwhile, three civil rights workers were murdered in Philadelphia, Miss.


Obamacare is not a blueprint for socialism. You're thinking of the New Testament. ~~ John Fugelsang



Yup.

It’s not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver — none of them major Democratic players in the health care push — received a major share of last weekend’s abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan “Take our country back!,” these are the people they want to take the country back from.
I absolutely loved the Barry Blitt illustration which accompanied it.



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I don't care how angry anybody is about it ---- I just desperately want it to be enacted in a meaningful, effective manner.

Once again, it's a Jeffersonian v. Hamiltonian battle: look at what is (Hamilton), rather than what you would wish it to be (Jefferson). And the reality is, we spend more on the uninsured than we will once there's greater access.

I'm trying VERY hard not to lose my composure on this subject.
If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
They either have to pay for it themselves, or the gov't picks it up.
If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
They either have to pay for it themselves, or the gov't picks it up.
Originally Posted by AmericanWoman

That'd be the point.

This redistribution of wealth people are so up in arms about, it's already happening, and has been happening basically forever. People who're poor and don't have insurance and don't have assets that can be seized still get healthcare, they just get crappy healthcare, and all taxpayers are still paying for it anyway.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
They either have to pay for it themselves, or the gov't picks it up.
Originally Posted by AmericanWoman

That'd be the point.

This redistribution of wealth people are so up in arms about, it's already happening, and has been happening basically forever. People who're poor and don't have insurance and don't have assets that can be seized still get healthcare, they just get crappy healthcare, and all taxpayers are still paying for it anyway.
Originally Posted by MichelleBFT
Exactly, except instead of tending to be preventive, it's 11th-hour care, which costs megabucks and leaves people less healthy. Lose/lose/lose/lose …

There's a reason I have the sig I have right now. This will all blow over, mark my words.
If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
They either have to pay for it themselves, or the gov't picks it up.
Originally Posted by AmericanWoman

That'd be the point.

This redistribution of wealth people are so up in arms about, it's already happening, and has been happening basically forever. People who're poor and don't have insurance and don't have assets that can be seized still get healthcare, they just get crappy healthcare, and all taxpayers are still paying for it anyway.
Originally Posted by MichelleBFT
To the bold:exactly.

I hate that proper healthcare depends on ones bank account.


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If an uninsured person is injured and treated at an ER, who pays for it?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
They either have to pay for it themselves, or the gov't picks it up.
Originally Posted by AmericanWoman

That'd be the point.

This redistribution of wealth people are so up in arms about, it's already happening, and has been happening basically forever. People who're poor and don't have insurance and don't have assets that can be seized still get healthcare, they just get crappy healthcare, and all taxpayers are still paying for it anyway.
Originally Posted by MichelleBFT
Let's not forget the biggest government subsidy of health care to date: the employer tax exclusion! All these people acting high and mighty because they have health care and "earned" it...pshh! We ALL already receive government help. It's silly to get pissy about it.
CG since 07/26/09
I know a woman that had a heart attack. Her bills came to 100,000. She works at the local diner, makes maybe $200 a week. Her surgeons wrote off most of her expense, after she was turned down by Medicaid.They probably get a tax write off, but still. She still only sees a doctor when absolutly nessecary. read: when she's so sick she absolutly can't stand it) Her latest crisis was a bad staph infection.from boils. The good news is she's almost retirement age, so she'll finally have coverage.

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