Tea Party sympathizers??

I'm so upset that people with lots of extra money pay federal taxes, and people who are really poor don't pay federal taxes!!
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
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Yes, I think the majority of teabaggers are racist. Even the ones who don't wave the signs are probably subtly racist, judging by their political views. Did anyone see this poll?

ETA: Before anyone gets huffy, I'm not saying that one poll is the be all, end all of the "Are teabaggers racist?" debate. I just think the results are very interesting.
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The demographics of the Tea Party movement are startling...90% of them are white males. If that's not racist...well, it's pretty darn close.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
And more than 90% of blacks polled are supportive of Barack Obama. Why is that not racist?

And if more than 90% of blacks support Barack Obama and his policies, is it really surprising that there are not more blacks in the Tea Party movement?
The demographics of the Tea Party movement are startling...90% of them are white males. If that's not racist...well, it's pretty darn close.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
And more than 90% of blacks polled are supportive of Barack Obama. Why is that not racist?

And if more than 90% of blacks support Barack Obama and his policies, is it really surprising that there are not more blacks in the Tea Party movement?
Originally Posted by Nakivaa
In general, blacks tend to vote democrat.


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Yes, I think the majority of teabaggers are racist. Even the ones who don't wave the signs are probably subtly racist, judging by their political views. Did anyone see this poll?

ETA: Before anyone gets huffy, I'm not saying that one poll is the be all, end all of the "Are teabaggers racist?" debate. I just think the results are very interesting.
Originally Posted by mandatoryfun

you don't need a poll to see they are racist. I'm sick of people pretending this isn't about race because I'm pretty sure if obama was white (not just half white), there wouldn't be all this crap going on, JMO. This reminds me of how racists always say "I'm not racist, my friend is black."
That poll shows the over all public is racist--the Tea Party people are just more so. Again, there are individuals both in the Tea Party and general public who are not racist (or are blind to it). It's a matter of degrees here.
I would rather associate with a group that is better than the general public (less racist, less sexist, less homophobic, less -isms) not worse.
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Boomygrrl, your point is clear to me, very much so.

But of course this "movement" was a false one from the beginning-- they have great marketing for a "grass roots" movement, dontcha think? In the end a real revolution would be if the bottom 99% of us were ganging up on the top 1% instead of the other way around.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
It turned out that Mr. Buffett, with immense income from dividends and capital gains, paid far, far less as a fraction of his income than the secretaries or the clerks or anyone else in his office. Further, in conversation it came up that Mr. Buffett doesn’t use any tax planning at all. He just pays as the Internal Revenue Code requires. “How can this be fair?” he asked of how little he pays relative to his employees. “How can this be right?”

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“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”


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Don't you just love Warren Buffett?
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
I don't know enough about him to love him or hate him, but I know he's got mega money, and what he said about class warfare is on point. It's the top 1% vs. the rest of us, and they have the means, influence, and power to keep us in check "by any means necessary", legal or illegal.
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Anything positive we can say about the Tea Party? Is there something positive that can be gained?
Is there something in it that a good-hearted, average to above average intelligence person would say "they are right about that?"
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I'm so upset that people with lots of extra money pay federal taxes, and people who are really poor don't pay federal taxes!!
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
As someone whose entire salary went to pay household taxes for 2009, I can assure you that DH and I do not have "lots of extra money." We earned far less than the $250,000 which supposedly would have made us the rich people who should pay more. DH ran the numbers and if he lost his job, our monthly income would only go down by $1,000 a month because we currently pay so much in taxes.

I do not mind paying more than my fair share of taxes. I really don't. I support social programs that help the poor and think they are good and necessary.

I take issue with my tax dollars being spent on things like the Iowa Commission on the status of women (http://www.women.iowa.gov/). Really? Teachers are being laid off, police officers are being laid off, music and gym are being cut from schools and tax dollars are being spent on the Commission on the Status of Women? It's goals are noble, but in the face of cuts for essential services and education (Iowa had a 10% across the board budget cut), it is offensive to be taxed so heavily for things like this.

And when you factor in the government bail out of GM and banks, I understand why people are p*ssed. I am p*ssed, and I'm a Democrat who votes straight ticket. The waste and corruption committed by both parties frustrates me and makes me understand a little where the Tea Party is coming from - on the tax issue only, mind you.
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As someone whose entire salary went to pay household taxes for 2009, I can assure you that DH and I do not have "lots of extra money." We earned far less than the $250,000 which supposedly would have made us the rich people who should pay more. DH ran the numbers and if he lost his job, our monthly income would only go down by $1,000 a month because we currently pay so much in taxes.
Originally Posted by LoloDSM

I don't understand. Your entire yearly salary goes for taxes...and all but $12,000 of your husband's entire yearly salary goes to taxes?

I, too, bristle at the waste and corruption of BOTH parties. The GM bailout was small potatoes though, when compared against the Wallstreet bailouts. Corporate welfare has run amuck in the last couple decades. I'd rather see my tax dollars go to keeping living-wage jobs than to see gamblers...er...um...bankers earn billions in bonus without a hint of shame at what they did to our banking system.
As someone whose entire salary went to pay household taxes for 2009, I can assure you that DH and I do not have "lots of extra money." We earned far less than the $250,000 which supposedly would have made us the rich people who should pay more. DH ran the numbers and if he lost his job, our monthly income would only go down by $1,000 a month because we currently pay so much in taxes.
Originally Posted by LoloDSM

I don't understand. Your entire yearly salary goes for taxes...and all but $12,000 of your husband's entire yearly salary goes to taxes?

I, too, bristle at the waste and corruption of BOTH parties. The GM bailout was small potatoes though, when compared against the Wallstreet bailouts. Corporate welfare has run amuck in the last couple decades. I'd rather see my tax dollars go to keeping living-wage jobs than to see gamblers...er...um...bankers earn billions in bonus without a hint of shame at what they did to our banking system.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I scratched my head at that too, RCW. And DH is not an accountant, so perhaps I should clarify my statement with that caveat. We essentially live on DH's salary, but according to him, we would be eligible for more deductions (and would avoid the AMT penalty) if he lost his job. I only got a B in income tax, so I'm not the best person to explain or understand it.
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Bill Clinton also spoke about the small amount in income tax he owed several years ago; he said it was "ridiculous." I believe, though I can't verify this with an economist, that the thinking is that the lower the tax on certain types of wealth, the greater the incentive to promote industry, business, etc., i.e., "trickle-down" theory. The key being reinvestment in the economy.

And.....I disagree that the tea-baggers, as described by the polls cited here, are racists. I think they're classist, which is different. They're in a place of privilege (often created by their ancestors, no matter how recent), and they feel that if "they" made it, anyone can. Or should be able to.

This is no way a defense of the tea-baggers, just a different perspective. I can't friggin' wait to see the government enact health care that applies to me, ND, personally. The compromises I've made to have any coverage at all have affected my life dramatically, and I'm one of the lucky ones to have access at all.
I think part of the reason the wealthy pay lower taxes is because they do not pay income tax unless they have a job. Many of them are wealthy in other ways, and Congress is full of wealthy people who inherited their money, so they are taxed differently than working stiffs like you (GY) and me. Again, I'm not a tax guru, so I don't know all the ins and outs of it.

I'm not sure why I'm all fired up about this thread. LOL. I'm not a tea bagger and I'm not defending them. Maybe I just understand their beef with taxes.
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I don't like taxes either, but I do think our government should provide certain services, like universal healthcare, like accessible college for all, etc., and that stuff needs to be paid for. Other countries do it...without bankrupting their taxpayers. Why can't we do it without making our deficit into horrifying digits? Seems like there are too many hands in the pie maybe? We've become as gluttonous and wasteful as any government in history.

I'm holding out hope that Obama and his team can actually fix things a little. Our country was in such a f*cking mess from 8 years of Bush that it's going to take more than a year to shovel things out and improve things. Trickle down doesn't work. It just makes rich people REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.
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Can any Europeans chime in? It used to be that taxes were higher there, due to government programs; is that still the case? I read a few years ago that France has been able to lower taxes while still maintaining health care for all.
That’s because what you see here is people posting pictures of people holding racist stupid signs and some people claiming they saw/heard things at rallies (they have no proof on video or pictures). Of course you are going to assume these people are the majority. Have you actually ever gone to one? I'm assuming not. I have and I never saw anything like what's being shown here or on the news. Most people were just there laughing, talking, listening, singing, etc. People were all just frustrated. Not angry racist. Of course people are when only 47% of the population is paying taxes. I'm sure my post will be slammed as a racist, Obama hater but whatever I'm used to it. But instead of taking what people say here and on the news as absolute truth go look for yourself before passing judgment on a lot of people.
Originally Posted by curlygirlyme
You're wrong. There has been overwhelming proof that Teapartiers are complete and utter idiots.
My husband got offended that Obama made a "snarky" remark about lowering the taxes and wanting the Tea Partiers to thank him.
I thought it was funny.

I still don't understand why the outrage now? Bush was re-elected for his second term-- everyone seemed okay.
He gave tax cuts to his rich buddies-- everyone seemed okay.
People are so over-reacting with Obama, thinking he will outlaw guns/fishing (I kid you not about the fishing part), that he will turn us into a socialist nation.
If it isn't racism, what is it?
Again, I know many probably aren't racist, but I think they're feeding off the energy from the racists...if that makes sense. It's the herd mentality.

I really want to believe in the goodness of people and that we have advanced as a society. I want to believe that my hubby and some of my friends are not idiots. I want to think that we can agree to disagree and that even if I don't agree, they really have had some deep thought into this. I just don't see it.
I love my husband, but his exteme conservatism in the past 2 years is a little disturbing to me. He was moderate-right when we met. I am witnessing him being brainwashed by FOX news. I've told him my concerns. He doesn't agree with me.
FOX news is oozing with emotionalism, illogical fallacies, misrepresenting (only saying half of the story is sometimes more of a lie than just making up a story). I am repulsed by Glenn Beck. He's the worst of them all.

I just don't understand. I feel like maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe I'm being illogical, maybe I'm only getting half of the story. I'm doubting myself, because this just doesn't make sense how some well-meaning, average to intelligent, non-racist (or blind to racism) people can think this is a good cause and can listen to Glenn Beck and think that overall he is telling the truth.
I want to understand this.
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I just don't understand. I feel like maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe I'm being illogical, maybe I'm only getting half of the story. I'm doubting myself, because this just doesn't make sense how some well-meaning, average to intelligent, non-racist (or blind to racism) people can think this is a good cause and can listen to Glenn Beck and think that overall he is telling the truth.
I want to understand this.
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
You sound genuinely frustrated and open minded so I feel compelled to offer that I'll attempt to shed some light, if possible...if there is some to be shed.

If you can think of the main stances/rationales he has that bug you, I can try to tap into what the reasoning may be. I get the sense your husband and I may agree down some major lines.
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