Tea Party sympathizers??

I don't like taxes either, but I do think our government should provide certain services, like universal healthcare, like accessible college for all, etc., and that stuff needs to be paid for. Other countries do it...without bankrupting their taxpayers. Why can't we do it without making our deficit into horrifying digits?
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Ah, but there's the rub. It does eventually bankrupt the country.

That is why Greece is at the brink of financial collapse. Other European countries are in trouble as well, though I haven't memorized the list (Spain, for one, is another country in financial crisis...) France's President Sarkozy is advocating raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 -- as a first step only, since that alone will not solve the problem -- to keep the government from going bankrupt. (They also get a month off for vacation, etc.) France simply cannot afford to keep giving such lavish pensions to their citizenry. In response, destructive, violent protesters fill the streets, because the French have been conditioned under the socialist system there to think it their right, future financial collapse of their country be damned.

So, all we have to do is look around and see that these kinds of socialist/redistributionist/social justice/leftist/whatever-you-want-to-call-them economic policies do not work. Having discovered that these policies fail, Europe is now trending away from them, while President Obama and the Democrats are trying to take us in that very direction. I recently read somewhere an analogy of this: Europeans are fleeing a burning building, while Democrats are running into it, trying to drag Americans in there with them.

As Margaret Thatcher is quoted as saying, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
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My husband got offended that Obama made a "snarky" remark about lowering the taxes and wanting the Tea Partiers to thank him.
I thought it was funny.

I still don't understand why the outrage now? Bush was re-elected for his second term-- everyone seemed okay.
He gave tax cuts to his rich buddies-- everyone seemed okay.
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
Actually, he lowered the tax rates for ALL brackets. The thing most people don't realize is that U.S. tax policy actually became more progressive under Bush.

Here's a quote from a Detroit News article back in 2004:

"The CBO [nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office] report shows how 2004 income tax rates have dropped for everyone compared with tax laws in force in 2000.

The report also shows that Bush’s tax cuts have been “progressive” — that is, they have shifted the share of the overall federal income tax burden toward the wealthy and away from lower-income earners. Without the Bush tax cuts, the highest-earning 20 percent of households this year would have paid 78.4 percent of all federal income taxes. Now, after the Bush tax cutes, their share of the burden has risen to 82.1 percent. Every other group now pays a smaller share of the total income tax burden
."

Also -- to make a different point, by not renewing the Bush tax cuts, President Obama and the Democrats are giving us all a big tax increase starting in January. Yes, you can say they just wanted it for the middle class, but if you don't give it to everyone (including employers, and sorry, but that might include some people who make more money than we do), then you are not going to grow the economy. That's just economic fact.
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I don't like taxes either, but I do think our government should provide certain services, like universal healthcare, like accessible college for all, etc., and that stuff needs to be paid for. Other countries do it...without bankrupting their taxpayers. Why can't we do it without making our deficit into horrifying digits?
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Ah, but there's the rub. It does eventually bankrupt the country.

That is why Greece is at the brink of financial collapse. Other European countries are in trouble as well, though I haven't memorized the list (Spain, for one, is another country in financial crisis...) France's President Sarkozy is advocating raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 -- as a first step only, since that alone will not solve the problem -- to keep the government from going bankrupt. (They also get a month off for vacation, etc.) France simply cannot afford to keep giving such lavish pensions to their citizenry. In response, destructive, violent protesters fill the streets, because the French have been conditioned under the socialist system there to think it their right, future financial collapse of their country be damned.

So, all we have to do is look around and see that these kinds of socialist/redistributionist/social justice/leftist/whatever-you-want-to-call-them economic policies do not work. Having discovered that these policies fail, Europe is now trending away from them, while President Obama and the Democrats are trying to take us in that very direction. I recently read somewhere an analogy of this: Europeans are fleeing a burning building, while Democrats are running into it, trying to drag Americans in there with them.

As Margaret Thatcher is quoted as saying, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Originally Posted by tendrilly

Wow...you are an EXCELLENT Faux News Student. You've learned ALL the talking points and right-wing lies and can recite them to perfection. Good job.
I don't like taxes either, but I do think our government should provide certain services, like universal healthcare, like accessible college for all, etc., and that stuff needs to be paid for. Other countries do it...without bankrupting their taxpayers. Why can't we do it without making our deficit into horrifying digits?
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Ah, but there's the rub. It does eventually bankrupt the country.

That is why Greece is at the brink of financial collapse. Other European countries are in trouble as well, though I haven't memorized the list (Spain, for one, is another country in financial crisis...) France's President Sarkozy is advocating raising the retirement age from 60 to 62 -- as a first step only, since that alone will not solve the problem -- to keep the government from going bankrupt. (They also get a month off for vacation, etc.) France simply cannot afford to keep giving such lavish pensions to their citizenry. In response, destructive, violent protesters fill the streets, because the French have been conditioned under the socialist system there to think it their right, future financial collapse of their country be damned.

So, all we have to do is look around and see that these kinds of socialist/redistributionist/social justice/leftist/whatever-you-want-to-call-them economic policies do not work. Having discovered that these policies fail, Europe is now trending away from them, while President Obama and the Democrats are trying to take us in that very direction. I recently read somewhere an analogy of this: Europeans are fleeing a burning building, while Democrats are running into it, trying to drag Americans in there with them.

As Margaret Thatcher is quoted as saying, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Originally Posted by tendrilly

Wow...you are an EXCELLENT Faux News Student. You've learned ALL the talking points and right-wing lies and can recite them to perfection. Good job.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Hey, RCW. Moderate your tone, please. No need to be snotty.
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Wow...you are an EXCELLENT Faux News Student. You've learned ALL the talking points and right-wing lies and can recite them to perfection. Good job.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
um...yeah.

You probably thought that was a devastating response, RedCatWaves. But I can think of a couple of reasons, just off the top of my head, why it's not:

1) When you're presented with an argument or facts that are inconvenient for you, that run contrary to your political beliefs, you immediately resort to snide, personal attacks and mockery. The fact that you cannot respond with facts and your own reasoning tells me just how weak your argument is.

2) These stories about the financial demise of Greece, Spain, France, etc., have been all over the news for months. On all kinds of news outlets. Where are you getting your news? I am not the one here who is uninformed. Here are some terms that you can Google to get you started:

France Sarkozy retirement age
Greece financial crisis
Spain financial crisis

Ireland and Portugal too. I'm not an economist, and there may be some contagion from Greece which exacerbates the problem for some of these other countries, but the fact is that you cannot keep taking on endless debt if you want to run your country successfully. England is cutting back on its budget, too. The writing is on the wall that the cradle-to-grave nanny state does not hold up over time.

Looking around at what is working and what is not working in other countries can give us valuable information, helping us in making decisions here in the U.S. (just another example: national health care in Canada and England). Before we try to make our country a socialist paradise, doesn't it seem wise to first look around at currently socialist economies and ask, "How is this working out for them?" The American left seems oddly uninterested in doing this. Why is that?
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Actually, if you look really closely, you'll notice that your local tea bagger rally isn't really "all that". Especially if you watch Fox, you can catch them occasionally doing a distance shot that shows that outside the initial cluster of people who are "front and center", there really isn't a lot going on at the tea bagger rallies. When the local news station has to interview the same person (here anyway) over and over bc none of the other local tea baggers are fit for prime time TV, you kinda start to catch on that they're trying to make them bigger than they really are.

As for Sarah Palin, I don't know anyone on either side of the fence that likes her. She tried to force her daughter to get married for her own political reasons. She's lugging around a kid that she clearly resents and using him to play for sympathy.

She's not real bright, IMHO because she bashes Obama for using a teleprompter but gets busted writing on her palm. Hmmm.... I can use some modern technology or I can do something I don't think any of us have done since like what... maybe 3rd grade.

She flat out lied about the "Death Panels". Rather than letting people make decisions about the disposal of their assets, DNR's, and other things in an informed and orderly way well in advance of needing them, she freaks people out by squealing about "Death Panels". Even though I'm an only child, I will inherit nothing from my parents. My father's care has burned through their savings. The State of Texas now owns their house bc of it. My mother, who is 11 years younger than my father, is allowed to continue to live there under a very specific set of conditions. For example, if she ever has to be in the hospital for more than 30 days, she will loose the house.

Because they are married, all of her retirement savings have had to be spent on his care in order for them to qualify for any kind of assistance. After working almost her entire life, my mother gets $495/mo from Social Security. My father gets about $3000 as his military pension so they're doing ok now.

When he dies my mother will only be entitled to about $1200 of his military pension. That means she's going to have to live on $1700/mo. That's about what you might make working at Wal-Mart. But instead of having a place to go to talk about how to prepare for being on Medicare or Medicaid or to be able to find out what kinds of assistance he might qualify for, my mother has to navigate this maze of government programs by herself with some assistance from the VFW post and a couple of friends who are in similar situations. Thanks for nothing, Sara Palin.
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Morrighu--SaraH Palin has nothing to do with the state of Texas owning your parents' home, etc. I am so sorry your mom is in that situation. My father's illness also ate up their savings. Has your mom/dad/you looked into the extra benefits that Vets can receive for healthcare? They are hard to track down, but if you will get in touch with the VA and find someone to be an advocate for you, it will help. You can also PM me and I will get the info for you from a friend of mine who is in the insurance industry. She's been such a huge help for my mom and my sister as well as some other friends.

You bash Sarah Palin for writing a few notes on her hand. Do you not see the difference between notes on your hand and two teleprompters that accompany him everywhere? He took them to a talk with kindergardeners and uses them in staff meetings. And if you listen to him speak off-prompter, you realize that he is much better off if he sticks to the script. Questions to him are pre-screened and answered as he cannot be trusted off the cuff. Remember Joe the Plumber?

Can we please have a bit more decorum? I find the term 'tea bagger' very offensive. Of course, if ya'll insist on using it, I will start using the terms, leftwing loon or perhaps tinfoil hat-wearing moonbats to describe the Democrats/liberals/progressives or whatever their name du jour is.

Yeah, Tea Party supporter here (like RCW hadn't figured that one out already ;D) And no, the Republican party isn't behind it. If you'd seen the kerfluffle (don't you live that word?) here in Colorado over it. The Reps didn't get their hand-picked candidate, the Tea Party candidate won the nomination and he was a disaster. I didn't choose sides until I did my own research (incidentally, the Republican party didn't even come by my house). He should have done the right thing and withdrawn and endorsed someone else. Instead, he stuck it out til the end and split the vote so we are stuck with Denver and Boulder's choice, John Hickenlooper, or Ritter Redux. I am VERY happy to say that my representative Betsy Markey was tossed out on her ear after her first term. I dropped a packing box by her office today as I promised to do when I called and told her that I would not be happy with a 'yes' vote on the health care bill.

And before anyone goes off, I have been unemployed/underemployed for 18 months. Right now I have 2 part time jobs and have submitted an application for a third one, & my oldest daughter has had to put off college for a year. Not happy about it, but that is the way it is. Our business is also way down as this administration has taken direct aim at our target clientele...upper end for our custom cabinetry business. We're taking any job that comes along.

Obama is NOT black, he is not white, he is biracial. Big deal. Lots of people in the US are. He had the advantage of a multi-cultural background. The US, Indonesia, back to Hawaii...but for some reason, his experiences like that served to make him very critical of the US and the advantages here. Be nice if he actually appreciated what he has achieved here instead of acting like a sulky, petulant child.

Pity that Harry Reid didn't get tossed out. I'm rather curious about that one. According to an AP article I read, folks in his state aren't particularly fond of him either, NV has the highest unemployment and home foreclosure rate in the nation...and they put that ****** BACK in DC? Wow....makes me wonder how that one was pulled off.
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Pity that Harry Reid didn't get tossed out. I'm rather curious about that one. According to an AP article I read, folks in his state aren't particularly fond of him either, NV has the highest unemployment and home foreclosure rate in the nation...and they put that ****** BACK in DC? Wow....makes me wonder how that one was pulled off.
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