Romney for President?

Romney is the very definition of the word RINO, (Republican in Name Only) ...and as I conservative I too would withhold my vote for him in the Primary. I would probably vote for a third party candidate if Romney ended up the Republican candidate.

Well, I've done record-checking on him, and he definitely sounds like a conservative to me both fiscally and socially. He has changed his stance on some social issues (from liberal to conservative) over the years, but who hasn't changed their views on issues at one time or another?

Who in the running is "100% conservative"? Is Newt Gingrich? Tim Pawlenty? Who is a good alternative? People that are raved about like Mitch Daniels either aren't going to run or are not viable candidates. I think people have a problem with Romney because he's a Mormom from the northeast - point blank. Just cause he ain't a good Christian white man from Georgia, he's going to raise taxes and kill babies. I will tell you right now, no President will illegalize abortion and no President isn't going to raise at least some taxes.

There is not plenty of time for you all to find your candidate. Primaries begin in eight months. There are tons of articles dissing Romney, yet almost all of them admit there is no better alternative, and none of them clearly explain Romney's "faults," either.
Well, I know Romney still has a lot of 'splaining to do about the Massachussetts health care. People are so black and white, literal...people often do not see nuances...so I know many conservatives who won't vote for him in the primaries for that alone and only vote for him in the general election because he is the "lesser of two evils."

some time has passed since I responded to this thread and I still stand by what I said earlier...of all the contenders out there, he still seems to be the only serious one. The others are jokes. They really are.

I hope he is taken more seriously by his own party. I feel that the Republican party (not individual republicans...but the party as a whole) is so out of touch with what people want...with what their own contituents want and what the general public wants.

Obama vs Romney will be an exciting race.
Obama vs any other republican candidate will just be entertaining...which has its own value (talk show monologues, Saturday night live)...but isn't good for our country.
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Boomygrrl, I'll admit I've never looked at Romney's health care. It's a non-issue to me, but I'm not a conservative. I actually think there are some great provisions in Obamacare like no discrimination for pre-existing conditions (which is currently in effect for children). We just haven't seen them come through yet. I think it's untrue that Obamacare is raising medical and ins. costs. My guess is they're upping costs for the hell of it and BLAMING Obamacare.

Anyway, my mom watched Romney's speech and she said Romneycare sounds much different than Obamacare. He started it because too many wealthy people were going to the ER without ins., so he made plans available. No one in Massachusetts is forced to have health ins. Mass. residents were asked to call in on CSPAN to give their opinions, and most of them said they liked the health care. Again, the state of Massachusetts is so different demographically than most of the country. I don't think he'd make his own attempt at nationalized health care, though I think it is great in theory.

I agree that he is in the best position out of the current Republican field to beat Obama. I predict that Palin and the teapartiers are going to attempt to sabatoge him so that they can get whatever candidate they want in (probably Pawlenty) to be their sockpuppet. They know Romney won't go for their crap. Huge mistake if they're successful. Pawlenty has a moderate record from what I've heard, but he's headed right plus he's an evangelical Christian. Americans don't want liberalism right now, but I doubt they're going to try the other extreme. Older people like my grandma, who is conservative, are really buying into the "unplugging granny" stuff and are wary of fiscal conservatives.

ETA: I'm still holding true to my belief that any reasonable Republican can probably beat Obama, but the more I see of these candidates.... wow.

Last edited by AllyT; 06-04-2011 at 05:26 PM.
Romney was governor of my state. He is not progressive. Romney says whatever he can to get elected. When he ran for governor he was pro-choice, pro-gay marriage. AS SOON AS he got on to the national scene he joined the NRA and changed his views on abortion and gay marriage.

Yesterday he said that humans have something to do with global warming. I predict he'll change that at some point, too.

Also, everyone in Massachusetts IS forced to have health insurance. We have to get a tax form from our insurance company so that we can prove we've been covered for the year. If you're not covered you pay a penalty. I think the Massachusetts plan is good in theory, the problem is that health insurance still isn't cheap. So you may be unemployed and need health insurance, you get it through the state but you might have to pay up to $400 a month for it. The very neediest can get on Commonwealth Cares, which is basically Medicaid. But most people have to pay for it.


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Last edited by Springcurl; 06-04-2011 at 09:14 PM.
I don't think anyone said Romney is a progressive (?). He sounds flat-out conservative to me, but less of a fiscally conservative than most of the others.

Kerry downplayed environmentalism in his campaign, but that doesn't change his record. More people are starting to wake up, or else they will as deadly natural disasters become commonplace and cancer rates soar. It's sad how hesistant the general media is to post stories giving strong links b/w cancer, severe weather and the ozone, but they're there and will continue.

Who doesn't try to appeal to the masses or break campaign promises? Obama promised to end offshore drilling - look what happened there.
Like I said, I probably won't vote for anyone in this race. Though, I'd be happier seeing Romney win than an extreme fiscal conservative. Our state is in a virtual tie with Michigan on unemployment, so hopefully centrist states that swing the election see that cutting everything under the sun along including JOBS isn't working.
Also, everyone in Massachusetts IS forced to have health insurance. We have to get a tax form from our insurance company so that we can prove we've been covered for the year. If you're not covered you pay a penalty. I think the Massachusetts plan is good in theory, the problem is that health insurance still isn't cheap. So you may be unemployed and need health insurance, you get it through the state but you might have to pay up to $400 a month for it. The very neediest can get on Commonwealth Cares, which is basically Medicaid. But most people have to pay for it.
Originally Posted by Springcurl
But, you have a program for those that can't afford it. Other states have nothing like this. If this was in Ohio, I'd probably get health ins. paid for or at least some help because I'm just under the poverty mark. I doubt this would go in Ohio because of our poverty problem. We don't have the wealth to pay for it. But, I'd love to have something like this available.

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