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Old 02-21-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
 
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Thumbs down Appalled and disgusted.

I cannot believe the amount of money that has been and will continue to be raised to fund campaigning. Every time I heard the lastest astronomically high figure, it makes me sick. The things that money could provide for this country . . .
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:39 PM   #2
 
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I agree completely! Citizens United has to be one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in history.
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Very strongly agree. Outrageous.
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #4
 
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You're appalled about this and NOT about the deficit? Obama has led and authorized more spending faster than all the other presidents in the history of this nation combined. And you're worried about campaign money? That's OVER in November and it is money people are donating....not being yanked out of our pockets and our children's pockets and our grandchildren's pockets and their kids....

Unbelievable.
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You're appalled about this and NOT about the deficit? Obama has led and authorized more spending faster than all the other presidents in the history of this nation combined. And you're worried about campaign money? That's OVER in November and it is money people are donating....not being yanked out of our pockets and our children's pockets and our grandchildren's pockets and their kids....

Unbelievable.
Personally, I'm appalled at the expenditure of 6,500 American lives and $2 trillion (and counting) for an ill-advised nation-building project in Afghanistan and a war of choice in Iraq. (Not to mention the innocent civilians killed in those countries.)

But those were Bush's decisions, so I guess they don't count.

As for the campaign spending, the outrage that has been generated by Citizens United is over the realization that a few extremely wealthy individuals can easily outspend the other 305 million American citizens, thus distorting the democratic process. Four individuals have already pledged to spend at least $300 million to support the Republican candidate. That's not free speech - that's the suppression of the majority.
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[QUOTE=yossarian;1905460] As for the campaign spending, the outrage that has been generated by Citizens United is over the realization that a few extremely wealthy individuals can easily outspend the other 305 million American citizens, thus distorting the democratic process. Four individuals have already pledged to spend at least $300 million to support the Republican candidate.[QUOTE]


...and we have prescription drug shortages for many medications, including childrens' leukemia meds... Every time I hear the spending numbers, all I can think of is all the hospitals that could benefit from that kind of money.

And it's all a game to these people. They are paying for attempts at brainwashing the very people who are victims of their own greed. (Every political party does this, of course, but the Repuplican funders are taking the cake these days). The irony is that all this money is to pay for advertising the possible candidacy of people who claim they want to stabilize spending.
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You're appalled about this and NOT about the deficit? Obama has led and authorized more spending faster than all the other presidents in the history of this nation combined. And you're worried about campaign money? That's OVER in November and it is money people are donating....not being yanked out of our pockets and our children's pockets and our grandchildren's pockets and their kids....

Unbelievable.
susancnw, this is from CBS, so I don't know if you acknowledge its credibility, but this report says you are wrong.

Is Obama really spending and regulating more?
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susancnw, this is from CBS, so I don't know if you acknowledge its credibility, but this report says you are wrong.

Is Obama really spending and regulating more?
I'm glad you posted this. I knew what she had written was wrong, but I didn't have time to track down anything to prove my point back when I first read her post.

It is a conservative stratagem to LIE outright, straight from Karl Rove's playbook. They do this because they know:
  1. very few people will check their facts, and even if they do …
  2. studies show generally people will continue to believe oft-repeated lies even after they've been thoroughly debunked. Finally …
  3. the more a lie is repeated, the more it is believed because each time the lie is repeated and then proven false, it is cemented in the general public's consciousness as truth.
Bottom line: it's human nature and conservatives exploit it.

This is not a case where both sides do it. Liberals don't tend to do this, whereas conservatives quite frequently do, see Fox News, Sarah Palin's death panels, yadda, yadda, yadda.

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has led and authorized more spending faster than all the other presidents in the history of this nation combined.
is so breathtakingly untrue, anyone with any common sense could realize it without requiring reports or news articles to back it up. All other presidents combined? Come on, now.

Of course, now we've repeated her words here, which will only lend credibility to them [see above].

We need more critical thinking skills in this country if we're ever going to survive the conservative onslaught.

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Unbelievable.
Yes, what you wrote is unbelievable, because it's simply not true. Good call.
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:58 PM   #9
 
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Whether or not CBS qualifies as the so-called "biased liberal media" (as opposed to Fox News, the media wing of the Republican Party), the data and analysis come from an economist using a quantitative model.

IOW, this is the result of objective, measurable and verifiable information, rather than susancnw's wishful thinking.

Thanks for posting this, Poodlehead!
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You're appalled about this and NOT about the deficit? Obama has led and authorized more spending faster than all the other presidents in the history of this nation combined. And you're worried about campaign money? That's OVER in November and it is money people are donating....not being yanked out of our pockets and our children's pockets and our grandchildren's pockets and their kids....

Unbelievable.
Personally, I'm appalled at the expenditure of 6,500 American lives and $2 trillion (and counting) for an ill-advised nation-building project in Afghanistan and a war of choice in Iraq. (Not to mention the innocent civilians killed in those countries.)

But those were Bush's decisions, so I guess they don't count.

As for the campaign spending, the outrage that has been generated by Citizens United is over the realization that a few extremely wealthy individuals can easily outspend the other 305 million American citizens, thus distorting the democratic process. Four individuals have already pledged to spend at least $300 million to support the Republican candidate. That's not free speech - that's the suppression of the majority.

Bush's decisions DO count...as much as BO's do. Wall street supports Oblahblah. I really, REALLY despise the notion that the "R;s" are "richer" than the "D's". ALL politicians in the higher ups are drowning in donations from the RICH. Cry me a river about how the Liberals are for the "poor man". BULL!

Ignorance IS bliss!
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