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susancnw 10-04-2012 08:53 PM

What? No debate discussion?
 
Interesting. Romney took Obama to the cleaners last night and there has been no defense of Obama or excuses here.
How odd.

anonymous_22139 10-04-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by susancnw (Post 2046458)
Interesting. Romney took Obama to the cleaners last night and there has been no defense of Obama or excuses here.
How odd.

Oh contraire. It is all here. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ey-debate.html

Poodlehead 10-04-2012 09:10 PM

I'm glad Romney finally acted like he wanted to win this thing.

Poodlehead 10-08-2012 01:34 PM

Oh, so you didn't want to actually discuss it?

Korkscrew 10-10-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Poodlehead (Post 2046466)
I'm glad Romney finally acted like he wanted to win this thing.

I am too because it makes a more interesting debate, though I disagree with the OP that Obama was "taken to the cleaners". The president could have held Romney's feet to the fire more, plus, at times Obama shouldn't have been so tangential, but Romney's mistakes were more troublesome:

1. He several times openly refused to reveal any details about his economic or national security plans. And Obama called him on it, but should have done so even more imo.

2. He demonstrated extremely poor impulse control as it regards his interaction with the moderator. That signals potential problems with his leadership style. We don't need another bully representing the US in post-911 America. And I do believe there are plenty of Americans viewers for whom the fact of Romney's behavioral problem was not lost.

ETA: Another problem - and it extends beyond the scope of the debates - is Gov. Romney's tenuous relationship with the truth of his own policy positions. I posted the following youtube vid somewhere else on the board too:

Mitt Romney Flip Flop Collection

Korkscrew 10-10-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by susancnw (Post 2046458)
Interesting. Romney took Obama to the cleaners last night and there has been no defense of Obama or excuses here.
How odd.

Aside from the fact that President Obama actually has been well defended in an extensively long thread already (as Kitschy mentioned), there are some objective indicators that Romney still has a very difficult road to possibly winning the election. Even after the first debate ...

1. Intrade has President Obama with a 62.5% chance of winning the election.

2. Real Clear Politics collective polls continue to reveal a likely win for Obama in most battle ground states, despite national consensus that they are neck-to-neck, because Romney will have to put out multiple fires in almost every battleground state in order to mathematically win.

3. Another pesky little problem for Team Romney is the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8% right after the debate. The first time since February of 2009 that it's gone below 8%. (There goes that "8%" talking point.)

yossarian 10-10-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by susancnw (Post 2046458)
Interesting. Romney took Obama to the cleaners last night and there has been no defense of Obama or excuses here.
How odd.

As others have noted, we have had some very lively discussions. But to respond directly to your remark, what's odd to me is that Obama allowed Romney to spend 90 minutes reversing every position he's ever taken and making wildly inaccurate statements that his campaign had to later admit were wrong, and never seriously challenged him.

I expected Obama to mention either the Romney campaign's Etch-a-Sketch comment (see below for those who don't know), or its statement that "we won't let our compaign be dictated by fact-checkers". These would have been perfect responses when Romney did a 180 on every issue during the debate.

No mention of the 47% or 30 straight months of private sector job growth. Unemployment now at 7.8% (and according to today's Gallup survey, it's actually even lower, at 7.3%), tax returns, shelters and havens etc. Romney's father released 10 years of tax returns when he was running for president, and Mitt demanded the same of Paul Ryan. Yet he's exempt from the same level of public disclosure, and Obama chose not to address the hypocrisy. There was an ideal opening when Romney said "I need a better accountant", but Obama somehow let it slide.

Romney keeps saying that 6 or 7 studies support his claim that his economic plan will not raise taxes on the middle class or add to the deficit. In fact, if you look up the "studies" he has cited, there's only one study (by Martin Feldstein). The rest are op-eds, blog posts and an article by Prof Feldstein summarizing his studies. AND Prof Feldstein has concluded that the only way Romney can cut taxes without raising the deficit by trillions is to eliminate deductions on child care, college tuition and mortgage interest, which amounts to a huge tax increase on people who depend on these provisions.

Romney said that Obama has failed to negotiate a single trade deal, which is demonstrably false. In fact, Obama concluded 3.

And on and on, ad nauseum. Romney set himself up to be exposed as a fatuous liar, and Obama failed to take advantage of this golden opportunity. He has only himself to blame for blowing it.

ETA: Almost forgot one of Romney's biggest whoppers (then again, there were so many, it's hard to remember them all.) He proclaimed that half of the green energy companies that received funding from the Obama administration went bankrupt. The actual figure is LESS THAN 1%, which is especially impressive considering the intense Chinese competition.

** the "fact-checker" comment (8/28/2012):
Mitt Romney's campaign said on Tuesday that its ads attacking President Obama's waiver policy on welfare have been its most effective to date. And while the spots have been roundly criticized as lacking any factual basis, the campaign said it didn't really care. "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.
Truer words were never spoken.

Korkscrew 10-22-2012 11:16 PM

About the third debate:

WOW

The governor suffered a proper trouncing.


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