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NY has always been a democratic stronghold, so Kerry winning the state is no big surprise. I live in Manhattan and voted for Bush.
Well, NY has a Republican governor and NYC has a Republican mayor (who follows another Republican mayor). I wouldn't exactly call it a Democratic lock. And, as I mentioned, Reagan carried the state as well.


Why does it matter that we have split in this country? The Republicans are in charge now so why not let them do as they please? Politics in cyclical so everyone is not going to be 100% happy all of the time.

We all have to live with the policies put into place by the people in Washington, whether we like them or not. The government is for the people, by the people. If elected officials do something you disagree with, you should shout from the rooftops. We are their employers. Let's not forget that.
Originally Posted by BB
In NATIONAL politics. We also have two Dem Senators.

Reagan winning the state cannot be used a measurement. "Reagan Democrats" were to be found all over the country. That was an anomoly.
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics - Thomas Sowell
You can't compare abortions to war casualties. A fetus isn't a person, a soldier is a person. You can compare that both the Iraq war and getting pregnant to have an abortion are both mistakes, though.
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-- Somerset Maugham
A fetus isn't a person, a soldier is a person.
Originally Posted by steph_eina

A Fetus is a person if someone wants the fetus. If not then people wouldn't go on trial for killing fetuses. A Fetus is only not a person when it is unwanted. We sure pay a lot in this country for people to keep wanted fetuses alive, everyone pays for the high risk pregnancy treatment. Trying telling a woman that had a miscarriage, that a fetus isn't a person.
A fetus isn't a person, a soldier is a person.
Originally Posted by steph_eina
A fetus isn't a person, a soldier is a person.
Originally Posted by steph_eina

A Fetus is a person if someone wants the fetus. If not then people wouldn't go on trial for killing fetuses. A Fetus is only not a person when it is unwanted. We sure pay a lot in this country for people to keep wanted fetuses alive, everyone pays for the high risk pregnancy treatment. Trying telling a woman that had a miscarriage, that a fetus isn't a person.
Originally Posted by perfectlyfrizzycurls
I understand the pro life point of view but I still think the comparison of a grown 'fetus' with a life and family to an unborn fetus is odd. That will just always be a point of disagreement though between people who are against abortion and people who are not.
A fetus isn't a person, a soldier is a person.
Originally Posted by steph_eina

A Fetus is a person if someone wants the fetus. If not then people wouldn't go on trial for killing fetuses. A Fetus is only not a person when it is unwanted. We sure pay a lot in this country for people to keep wanted fetuses alive, everyone pays for the high risk pregnancy treatment. Trying telling a woman that had a miscarriage, that a fetus isn't a person.
Originally Posted by perfectlyfrizzycurls
I understand the pro life point of view but I still think the comparison of a grown 'fetus' with a life and family to an unborn fetus is odd. That will just always be a point of disagreement though between people who are against abortion and people who are not.
Originally Posted by Josephine

I'm not pro-life. I am a scientist. You can't ignore science when it doesn't suit you, then point to science (stem cell research) when it seems promising.
[A Fetus is a person if someone wants the fetus. If not then people wouldn't go on trial for killing fetuses. A Fetus is only not a person when it is unwanted. We sure pay a lot in this country for people to keep wanted fetuses alive, everyone pays for the high risk pregnancy treatment. Trying telling a woman that had a miscarriage, that a fetus isn't a person.[/quote]

Okay, so a fetus is only a person when it's wanted? How is that consistent with science? A fetus is a fetus whether it's wanted or not, though the value on that fetus will change...is that what you meant?

I refuse to place more value on a little pink thing than on a full-grown 19 year old soldier. My mother had two miscarriages trying to conceive my brother and I, and was she disappointed? Of course. But did she feel deep sadness? No. Maybe that's unusual, but to her, she did not lose a PERSON.
The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit.
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I'm not pro-life. I am a scientist. You can't ignore science when it doesn't suit you, then point to science (stem cell research) when it seems promising.
Originally Posted by perfectlyfrizzycurls
Ok, but it still makes your point of view on the issue a pro-life one. I don't ignore science. I do believe it is a living organism. But I don't think anyone else has the right or more of a right to tell me that I need to carry it and be a mother if I do not want to when it is not even born yet.
Geez, you conservatives, you can't even wait till a person's BORN before you start telling it how to live.

Get a new hobby, k?
I like having something "down below"
Originally Posted by spring1onu
What would you call it, sci-fi guru?
Originally Posted by smurfette
don't click this. seriously.
Geez, you conservatives, you can't even wait till a person's BORN before you start telling it how to live.

Get a new hobby, k?
Originally Posted by the_cheat
Naw, we just feel that everyone has a right to be born.

Did you forget that Bush mislead us into a war that didn't need to happen?
Originally Posted by mandyv
ITA and I'm an independent.

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