How Americans feel about Redistribution of Wealth

Interesting article and statistics from Gallup.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108445/Am...x-Economy.aspx
Thanks for posting this CCC! It's an overwhelming majority of Americans that time after time tell their politicians they do not like income redistribution. Yet, the political hacks -both parties- in Washington and the media refuse to listen.

More people need to bone up on their Constitution.
Thanks for posting this CCC! It's an overwhelming majority of Americans that time after time tell their politicians they do not like income redistribution. Yet, the political hacks -both parties- in Washington and the media refuse to listen.

More people need to bone up on their Constitution.
Originally Posted by misspam
Yes. If only government would listen to the wisdom of the crowds. There's that great Buckley quote "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." Pretty fitting for the times, don't you think?
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Thanks for posting this CCC! It's an overwhelming majority of Americans that time after time tell their politicians they do not like income redistribution. Yet, the political hacks -both parties- in Washington and the media refuse to listen.

More people need to bone up on their Constitution.
Originally Posted by misspam
Yes. If only government would listen to the wisdom of the crowds. There's that great Buckley quote "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." Pretty fitting for the times, don't you think?
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

Buckly was a admirable man. Quite an influential intellectual. And...yet...Buckley's son, who has been running Buckley's conservative magazine The National Review for years, has endorsed Obama. I heard him interviewed about it recently, and he said his father would be spinning in his grave to see how the Republicans have sold themselves to the extreme-right-wing, and wouldn't consider them conservatives in any way, shape or form.
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
And the bailout bill was redistribution, too, just in the wrong direction.

People may not like it, but that doesn't make it not the right thing to do. People didn't like desegregation when that came about either.
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Stolen.
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Plus polls showed that the majority of Americans would be OK if the weathly were taxed more.

I think the term "redistribution of wealth" is more off putting than the practice.


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Thanks for posting this CCC! It's an overwhelming majority of Americans that time after time tell their politicians they do not like income redistribution. Yet, the political hacks -both parties- in Washington and the media refuse to listen.

More people need to bone up on their Constitution.
Originally Posted by misspam
Yes. If only government would listen to the wisdom of the crowds. There's that great Buckley quote "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University." Pretty fitting for the times, don't you think?
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

Buckly was a admirable man. Quite an influential intellectual. And...yet...Buckley's son, who has been running Buckley's conservative magazine The National Review for years, has endorsed Obama. I heard him interviewed about it recently, and he said his father would be spinning in his grave to see how the Republicans have sold themselves to the extreme-right-wing, and wouldn't consider them conservatives in any way, shape or form.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I don't like the extreme-right wing either. I share Goldwater's opinion on the Republicans selling themselves to the evangelicals. But I've read and heard interviews on Buckley's reasons for voting for Obama. And they don't seem to wash. He claims if Obama goes left it will be a problem but he's voting for him because he liked his books. Wow. Earth shattering reasons.
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Plus polls showed that the majority of Americans would be OK if the weathly were taxed more.

I think the term "redistribution of wealth" is more off putting than the practice.
Originally Posted by Trenell
You may be right. I just thought it was an interesting poll. But Frank Luntz has made a whole career of playing name games.
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves


This bears repeating x1000.

Just stop paying your taxes. Or move to a country where there are no taxes and "redistribution of wealth" . What a joke of a phrase that is becoming.

Tax havens you ladies can move to, just the a's and the B's-

Andorra. No personal income tax.
Anguilla - A British Overseas Territory and offshore banking centre
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba
The Bahamas levies neither personal income nor capital gains tax, nor are there inheritance taxes.
Barbados - A 'Low-tax regime' not 'Tax haven'.[25][26][27] - The government of Barbados sent off a high level note to members of the United States Congress recently in protest of the label "Tax Haven" stating it has the potential to undermine or override the Barbados/United States double taxation agreement.[28]
Belize No capital gains tax.
Bermuda does not levy income tax on foreign earnings, and allows foreign companies to incorporate there under an "exempt" status. Exempt companies may not hold real estate in Bermuda or trade there, nor may they be involved in banking, insurance, assurance, reinsurance, fund management or similar business, such as investment advice, without a license. The island also maintains a stable, clean reputation in the business world. At present, there are no benefits for individuals. In fact, for a non-Bermudian to own a house on the island, they would have to pay a minimum of $15,000 a year in land tax alone.
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 10% corporate income tax, 10% income tax, 10% capital gain tax
British Virgin Islands: the 2000 KPMG report to the companies, making it by some distance the largest offshore jurisdiction in the world by volume of incorporations. The British Virgin Islands has, so far, avoided the scandals which have tainted less well regulated offshore jurisdictions.
Campione d'Italia an Italian enclave within Switzerland
Cayman Islands No capital gains tax.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven
Buckly was a admirable man. Quite an influential intellectual. And...yet...Buckley's son, who has been running Buckley's conservative magazine The National Review for years, has endorsed Obama. I heard him interviewed about it recently, and he said his father would be spinning in his grave to see how the Republicans have sold themselves to the extreme-right-wing, and wouldn't consider them conservatives in any way, shape or form.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Hard to believe Abraham Lincoln and Rush Limbaugh are "on the same team", isn't it?

I am saddened by the general lack of understanding when it comes to our Constitution. It makes me wonder if people even bother to read it or attempt to understand it's original intent and the concept of enumerated powers.

The framer's were quite brilliant and were quite specific and they didn't intend for the many abuses that have taken place within the federal government. Just because I am against a furthering the redistribution of wealth does not mean I am anti-tax. Yes, taxes are to be paid, but they are specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The problem is, Congress does not know where to stop.

If the Constitution isn't enough for you(gy), try picking up copies of the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers. It's quite clear.

And to the Travel Agent: Thanks but no thanks. While some of those tax rates and banking rules sound tempting, I like it just fine here in the USA.
Hate to break it to you two ladies, but every single tax you pay is a redistribution of wealth.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Didn't catch this earlier. No one is against general taxes for the basics. It's the crazy giveaways that have little to no basis. Taxes for a Woodstock Museum. Taxes to pay for Obama's campaigning with Raila Odinga his murderous cousin. Tax breaks for toy wooden arrows. What the hell is that? None of these have any foundational basis on how America was meant to run. And this is a problem with both parties!

The reason the government always needs so much freaking money is because they want to pay for things that have no constitutional basis. Our spending is out of control and anytime someone points it out that person is unreasonable, should stop paying taxes, or run to the Cayman Islands. You wouldn't need tax havens if people weren't being taxed to death, of course not everyone has Kennedy Trust Funds to shift around their own wealth. Of course it's the people who aren't in the most elite tax bracket or in the lower ones that have no problem with moving the money around. Especially if it's not theirs
Which museums deserve federal funding?

Last edited by CurlyGina2; 10-20-2008 at 06:45 PM.
The reason the gov't needs so much freakin' money is because they WASTE so much of it.
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Obama says that it is unfair for middle-class earners to pay the Social Security tax "on every dime they make, while millionaires and billionaires are only paying it on a very small percentage of their income." The payroll tax is now applied to all income up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to incomes between that amount and $250,000. But all annual income above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan.

It isn't "redistribution of wealth", it's making the taxes fairer. Do you really think the Democrats want to take from the rich and just give it to lazy people that decide not to work? That would be ridiculous. Besides, it isn't easy for people to get welfare anymore- they have to show proof that they are looking for a job and go to job training, etc or they get cut off. Plus, the amount of time you can receive it is limited- it's meant to be temporary.

Anyway, the money isn't going to just the poor, it's going to have to go toward our country's outrageous bills - #1= the war (that Republicans support and therefore should pay for). We all have to pay for it. I totally agree that the government spending is ridiculous and wasted on things that have nothing to do with the good of the country. Obama's plan is to cut the wasteful spending: http://obama.3cdn.net/0080cc578614b42284_2a0mvyxpz.pdf
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Last edited by lacunaCoils; 10-20-2008 at 09:02 PM.
Obama says that it is unfair for middle-class earners to pay the Social Security tax "on every dime they make, while millionaires and billionaires are only paying it on a very small percentage of their income." The payroll tax is now applied to all income up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to incomes between that amount and $250,000. But all annual income above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan.

It isn't "redistribution of wealth", it's making the taxes fairer. Do you really think the Democrats want to take from the rich and just give it to lazy people that decide not to work? That would be ridiculous. Besides, it isn't easy for people to get welfare anymore- they have to show proof that they are looking for a job and go to job training, etc or they get cut off. Plus, the amount of time you can receive it is limited- it's meant to be temporary.

Anyway, the money isn't going to just the poor, it's going to have to go toward our country's outrageous bills - #1= the war (that Republicans support and therefore should pay for). We all have to pay for it. I totally agree that the government spending is ridiculous and wasted on things that have nothing to do with the good of the country. Obama's plan is to cut the wasteful spending: http://obama.3cdn.net/0080cc578614b42284_2a0mvyxpz.pdf
Originally Posted by lacunaCoils

I'm sorry but I don't understand one thing about Obama's plan... if only 70% of the American people pay taxes how can he give "tax breaks" to 95%. That means he's giving people money they didn't earn...

Don't get me wrong I like some of the things he says but sometimes he's got MAJOR flaws. I don't really like McCain either... he seems well to be honest like a broken record.

I also wanted to make the point that you all would hate me b/c I'm a "right wing nut job". But seriously can you all deal with the fact that not everyone has to agree with you without calling them names. You people are down right freakin nasty to anyone who disagrees with you. I totally disagree with a lot of the things said here but I don't flip out and start using stupid media terms just to make you feel like you're stupid. It's really old please try something else.
Obama says that it is unfair for middle-class earners to pay the Social Security tax "on every dime they make, while millionaires and billionaires are only paying it on a very small percentage of their income." The payroll tax is now applied to all income up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to incomes between that amount and $250,000. But all annual income above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan.

It isn't "redistribution of wealth", it's making the taxes fairer. Do you really think the Democrats want to take from the rich and just give it to lazy people that decide not to work? That would be ridiculous. Besides, it isn't easy for people to get welfare anymore- they have to show proof that they are looking for a job and go to job training, etc or they get cut off. Plus, the amount of time you can receive it is limited- it's meant to be temporary.

Anyway, the money isn't going to just the poor, it's going to have to go toward our country's outrageous bills - #1= the war (that Republicans support and therefore should pay for). We all have to pay for it. I totally agree that the government spending is ridiculous and wasted on things that have nothing to do with the good of the country. Obama's plan is to cut the wasteful spending: http://obama.3cdn.net/0080cc578614b42284_2a0mvyxpz.pdf
Originally Posted by lacunaCoils

I'm sorry but I don't understand one thing about Obama's plan... if only 70% of the American people pay taxes how can he give "tax breaks" to 95%. That means he's giving people money they didn't earn...

Don't get me wrong I like some of the things he says but sometimes he's got MAJOR flaws. I don't really like McCain either... he seems well to be honest like a broken record.

I also wanted to make the point that you all would hate me b/c I'm a "right wing nut job". But seriously can you all deal with the fact that not everyone has to agree with you without calling them names. You people are down right freakin nasty to anyone who disagrees with you. I totally disagree with a lot of the things said here but I don't flip out and start using stupid media terms just to make you feel like you're stupid. It's really old please try something else.
Originally Posted by curlygirlyme


I think you need to take a look at the tax laws, because it's pretty obvious you're not tax savvy. This is nothing new. Have you never heard of "earned income credit"? I've qualified for EIC a couple of times when I was a single working mother. I worked, and I paid taxes, but I did end up getting more money back in refund than I paid in taxes because of my childcare deductions and the EIC. Obama didn't just make this up. EIC has been part of our tax laws for decades. Obama is going to give a little bit more of an EIC for those who qualify (believe me, you have to be pretty darn poor and have a lot of expenses to qualify). It's not that much to begin with, so a little bump isn't going to make those poor people rich.
Obama says that it is unfair for middle-class earners to pay the Social Security tax "on every dime they make, while millionaires and billionaires are only paying it on a very small percentage of their income." The payroll tax is now applied to all income up to $102,000 a year, which covers the entire amount for most Americans. Under Obama's plan, the tax would not apply to incomes between that amount and $250,000. But all annual income above the quarter-million-dollar amount would be taxed under his plan.

It isn't "redistribution of wealth", it's making the taxes fairer. Do you really think the Democrats want to take from the rich and just give it to lazy people that decide not to work? That would be ridiculous. Besides, it isn't easy for people to get welfare anymore- they have to show proof that they are looking for a job and go to job training, etc or they get cut off. Plus, the amount of time you can receive it is limited- it's meant to be temporary.

Anyway, the money isn't going to just the poor, it's going to have to go toward our country's outrageous bills - #1= the war (that Republicans support and therefore should pay for). We all have to pay for it. I totally agree that the government spending is ridiculous and wasted on things that have nothing to do with the good of the country. Obama's plan is to cut the wasteful spending: http://obama.3cdn.net/0080cc578614b42284_2a0mvyxpz.pdf
Originally Posted by lacunaCoils

I'm sorry but I don't understand one thing about Obama's plan... if only 70% of the American people pay taxes how can he give "tax breaks" to 95%. That means he's giving people money they didn't earn...

Don't get me wrong I like some of the things he says but sometimes he's got MAJOR flaws. I don't really like McCain either... he seems well to be honest like a broken record.

I also wanted to make the point that you all would hate me b/c I'm a "right wing nut job". But seriously can you all deal with the fact that not everyone has to agree with you without calling them names. You people are down right freakin nasty to anyone who disagrees with you. I totally disagree with a lot of the things said here but I don't flip out and start using stupid media terms just to make you feel like you're stupid. It's really old please try something else.
Originally Posted by curlygirlyme
I don't see where this was said (the bolded)?

I never called anyone names (maybe you were directing that to someone else?). I don't think that people are using "stupid media terms just to make you feel like you're stupid". Most of the time, it's just an attempt to point out the facts (or opinion).
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