Go Back   CurlTalk > Life > Politics

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-21-2008, 09:36 AM   #21
 
A_la_Nap-tural's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 409
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MimsTX View Post
If you're going to vote based on what one VP says one time, I'm of the belief that it doesn't MATTER what he says.

It goes back to what I said about being upfront. Either you can address what's actually in someone's head, or you can sidestep it. McCain/Palin sidestep so many things it's not even funny. If nothing else, at least Biden's being upfront and honest about the situation, stating that they're both aware of it, and that they can handle it.

I'd rather have someone that deals with things like that head on than someone that sugar coats everything and pretends like it's fine. Or, even worse, bad mouths the opponent in an attempt to make his own issues seem less significant. I really don't see how Biden had many other options, and I'd rather he take the one he did, personally. Was there perhaps a better way for him to have phrased it? Sure. But it's all semantics... the words come out to mean the same thing.

I guess it's just a personal choice in how you'd rather have people deal with things. And all other issues aside, Biden hardly sabotaged the entire campaign with one speech or interview. If it was that easy, McCain would have ended his entire run for office by now.
It's not if I'm going to vote. It's the millions of little undecideds who swing elections. People vote on any random number of things. Even i'm sometimes surprised at some of the reasons people choose their candidates. There are some very interesting theoretical developments on voter behavior none of them portray the voter as somberly and rational as you'd think.

And it does matter what they say otherwise they wouldn't spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns and have staffs nitpick and craft every phrase on a stump or at a debate. Like I said I'm looking at from a strategic viewpoint of the campaign and how it wins votes. This seems like a really off strategy. And the thread is, is he sabotaging. I didn't say he derailed the campaign in one speech. But Biden's gaffes have a cumulative effect. When your already perceived as a weak ticket on foreign policy you don't compound the problem by saying we are guaranteed gloom and doom if you elect us. And it will get worse just hange with us. I'm sorry but this is almost like Hillary's 3am ad. Who's ready for the crisis call?

Did you not catch the 2 undecideds (in this thread) who said that this doesn't make them feel uneasy at all? They stated that it actually gives them some solace seeing that the potential next administration has their radar up for the very possible rather than avoiding the discussion altogether. I think that you can only speak for yourself... Stop trying to analyze the independent and undecided voters... You're not one of them so what view are you speaking from again... oh yes, a republican one. Is McCain sending you a check? If not, he should be because you campaign hard as heck on this site!
__________________
www.thenaturalknowitall.com

www.mixology101.ning.com
I'm luvin' my natural self FIRST!

"And if you don't want to be down with me, you don't want to pick from my appletree."-Erykah Badu





A_la_Nap-tural is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 10:00 AM   #22
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 344
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by A_la_Nap-tural View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MimsTX View Post
If you're going to vote based on what one VP says one time, I'm of the belief that it doesn't MATTER what he says.

It goes back to what I said about being upfront. Either you can address what's actually in someone's head, or you can sidestep it. McCain/Palin sidestep so many things it's not even funny. If nothing else, at least Biden's being upfront and honest about the situation, stating that they're both aware of it, and that they can handle it.

I'd rather have someone that deals with things like that head on than someone that sugar coats everything and pretends like it's fine. Or, even worse, bad mouths the opponent in an attempt to make his own issues seem less significant. I really don't see how Biden had many other options, and I'd rather he take the one he did, personally. Was there perhaps a better way for him to have phrased it? Sure. But it's all semantics... the words come out to mean the same thing.

I guess it's just a personal choice in how you'd rather have people deal with things. And all other issues aside, Biden hardly sabotaged the entire campaign with one speech or interview. If it was that easy, McCain would have ended his entire run for office by now.
It's not if I'm going to vote. It's the millions of little undecideds who swing elections. People vote on any random number of things. Even i'm sometimes surprised at some of the reasons people choose their candidates. There are some very interesting theoretical developments on voter behavior none of them portray the voter as somberly and rational as you'd think.

And it does matter what they say otherwise they wouldn't spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns and have staffs nitpick and craft every phrase on a stump or at a debate. Like I said I'm looking at from a strategic viewpoint of the campaign and how it wins votes. This seems like a really off strategy. And the thread is, is he sabotaging. I didn't say he derailed the campaign in one speech. But Biden's gaffes have a cumulative effect. When your already perceived as a weak ticket on foreign policy you don't compound the problem by saying we are guaranteed gloom and doom if you elect us. And it will get worse just hange with us. I'm sorry but this is almost like Hillary's 3am ad. Who's ready for the crisis call?

Did you not catch the 2 undecideds (in this thread) who said that this doesn't make them feel uneasy at all? They stated that it actually gives them some solace seeing that the potential next administration has their radar up for the very possible rather than avoiding the discussion altogether. I think that you can only speak for yourself... Stop trying to analyze the independent and undecided voters... You're not one of them so what view are you speaking from again... oh yes, a republican one. Is McCain sending you a check? If not, he should be because you campaign hard as heck on this site!
I'm really not understanding your problem A La Naptural. I did see the two undecideds say that. But they are two people out of millions. I've also been clear that the results will speak for themselves on election day. I can analyze whoever I damn please. I didn't know you were so hostile to viewpoints other than your own. And I'm not a Republican and no McCain is not sending me a check. I like to provide alternative viewpoints. If this whole site leaned right or green or whatever I'd balance it out and point out things overlooked. I still find Biden's words strange and offputting. Thanks for your comment.
CottonCandyCurls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 10:23 AM   #23
 
A_la_Nap-tural's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 409
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post

It's not if I'm going to vote. It's the millions of little undecideds who swing elections. People vote on any random number of things. Even i'm sometimes surprised at some of the reasons people choose their candidates. There are some very interesting theoretical developments on voter behavior none of them portray the voter as somberly and rational as you'd think.

And it does matter what they say otherwise they wouldn't spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns and have staffs nitpick and craft every phrase on a stump or at a debate. Like I said I'm looking at from a strategic viewpoint of the campaign and how it wins votes. This seems like a really off strategy. And the thread is, is he sabotaging. I didn't say he derailed the campaign in one speech. But Biden's gaffes have a cumulative effect. When your already perceived as a weak ticket on foreign policy you don't compound the problem by saying we are guaranteed gloom and doom if you elect us. And it will get worse just hange with us. I'm sorry but this is almost like Hillary's 3am ad. Who's ready for the crisis call?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_la_Nap-tural View Post


Did you not catch the 2 undecideds (in this thread) who said that this doesn't make them feel uneasy at all? They stated that it actually gives them some solace seeing that the potential next administration has their radar up for the very possible rather than avoiding the discussion altogether. I think that you can only speak for yourself... Stop trying to analyze the independent and undecided voters... You're not one of them so what view are you speaking from again... oh yes, a republican one. Is McCain sending you a check? If not, he should be because you campaign hard as heck on this site!
I'm really not understanding your problem A La Naptural. I did see the two undecideds say that. But they are two people out of millions. I've also been clear that the results will speak for themselves on election day. I can analyze whoever I damn please. I didn't know you were so hostile to viewpoints other than your own. And I'm not a Republican and no McCain is not sending me a check. I like to provide alternative viewpoints. If this whole site leaned right or green or whatever I'd balance it out and point out things overlooked. I still find Biden's words strange and offputting. Thanks for your comment.
I'm not hostile to others viewpoints. I'm quite open, actually. I admire passion in people. You say you evaluate all angles... Who am I to argue with you? You come off kind of angry though. Somewhat offended when someone disagrees with you... like you did when responding to me, suggesting that I have a problem. When you post a comment, and someone responds, you come back and argue them down and show them (IYO) just why they're wrong and you're right, which goes beyond expressing your opinion. Have some couth. Really, I don't care (no problem). It's not that big of a deal. Sorry I called you a Republican... Is that considered name calling?
__________________
www.thenaturalknowitall.com

www.mixology101.ning.com
I'm luvin' my natural self FIRST!

"And if you don't want to be down with me, you don't want to pick from my appletree."-Erykah Badu





A_la_Nap-tural is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 09:03 AM   #24
 
CocoaCoily's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,667
Default

Just thought I'd share this article, since the McCain camp has latched onto Biden's comment.

As far as our top military commander is concerned, any new administration will pose a vulnerability. Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are, obviously, of particular concern.

This translates to me as, we are going to need someone who does not think he is invulnerable to an opportunistic crisis. Who would not concentrate his focus on Iraq, or heavily on military solutions. We are certainly not able to stretch our military might across 3 or 4 countries.

*****

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...003363_pf.html

Mullen Cites U.S. 'Vulnerability'
Transition to New President in Wartime Concerns the Military

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 1, 2008; A04

The nation's top military officer warned yesterday that the transition to a new American president will mark a "time of vulnerability" as the United States fights two wars, and he said military leaders are already actively preparing for the changing of the guard.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Navy Adm. Michael G. Mullen, said the U.S. political transition will be "extraordinarily challenging," particularly as the military is engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan and faces interference in both countries from Iran.

"Iran is not going away," Mullen said. "We need to be strong and really in the deterrent mode, to not be very predictable" regarding Iran, he said in a meeting with editors and reporters at The Washington Post.

Mullen spoke on a day when Pentagon officials announced that a second U.S. aircraft carrier group, the USS Lincoln, had arrived in the Persian Gulf for a brief overlap with another carrier. Having two carriers in the Gulf will provide additional air power for strikes and reconnaissance in the combat zone, giving commanders added flexibility, said Lt. Gen. Carter F. Ham, the Joint Staff operations chief. "It allows us, also, to demonstrate to our friends and allies in the region a commitment to security in the region," he said.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said yesterday that the carrier could serve as a "reminder" to Iran. But its presence is part of a regular fluctuation of U.S. Navy ships in the region and does not mark an "escalation" of force, he told reporters traveling with him in Mexico.

In a wide-ranging interview, Mullen detailed how Iran continues to supply weapons, training and financing to insurgents not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan. He said the Iranian involvement with Taliban fighters "mirrors what they are doing with Iraqis," although on a smaller scale.

"There's training going on, weapons which are entering," as well as technology -- assistance that is "very well connected" with the Taliban leadership, particularly in western Afghanistan, he said.

A State Department annual report on terrorism released yesterday said that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or Quds Force, last year provided to the Taliban grenades, mortars, 107mm rockets and possibly shoulder-fired air defense weapons.

In Iraq, the report said, Iranian authorities continued to supply Shiite militias with advanced rockets, sniper rifles and explosively formed projectiles (EFPs), which have killed thousands of coalition and Iraqi forces. U.S. troop casualties rose in April to 48, the highest number since September, partly as a result of intensified fighting with Iranian-backed militias in Baghdad and elsewhere.

Mullen said recent unrest in the southern Iraqi city of Basra demonstrated that Iran is "very interwoven into southern Iraq in ways that had not been highlighted," adding that "they want to have a weak Iraq."

Offering an unusual insight into how senior military leaders are anticipating the transition to a new president, Mullen said he is continually thinking about how military decisions taken today will play out under a new administration.

"There are very few either briefings or meetings that I'm in that I'm not thinking about 'How does what we're talking about right now transition to next spring?' " Mullen said. He said U.S. commanders in regions overseas, as well as chiefs of the different services, are having similar discussions.

The transition is unlikely to be smooth, predicted Mullen, who assumed his position seven months ago for a two-year term. He said he hopes to offer a stabilizing influence as a military leader who will bridge two administrations.

"We will be tested. . . . I'm preparing that this country will be tested, and I have a role in that regard, certainly providing advice to whoever the new president's going to be," he said. He said his current priority is to develop military strategies for the Middle East and the globe to "tee up" for a new president.

Specifically, Mullen said he hopes that the change in politically appointed leaders will unfold at a wartime pace, rather than at a "peacetime" one. "I think it's important for us to get as many principals in positions as rapidly as possible in a time of war," he said.
__________________

CocoaCoily is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 11:21 AM   #25
 
susancnw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,350
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MimsTX View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post

Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
No kidding. Remember he said last month (?) that Hillary would have been a better choice for VP...WTF? Do you not WANT the job? We can arrange that

Ran across this link today at the Orlando Sentinel. Biden does NOT like to be questioned unless he is controlling it. He got really snarky (is that not a great word?)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html
__________________
My son wears combat boots (and a parachute).
The older I get, the less patience I have with cleverness. Thomas Sowell.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. Benjamin Franklin.
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain.



susancnw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 01:17 PM   #26
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 145
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Biden Predicting International Crisis within 6 Months of Obama Presidency.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...to-suppor.html
I think the McCain approach is not assessing the current situation or its future consequences, but rather "deny, deny, and more denial". Obama/Biden approach? Realism. Let's assess now and work to find a solution before it's too late.

I like that.
__________________
Last Relaxer: October 2007
Transition Period: 1 Year
Final Big Chop: October 2008
Hair Type: 4A/3B/3A/4B WTH?



MissCurlyCue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 01:22 PM   #27
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 145
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by susancnw View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MimsTX View Post

Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
No kidding. Remember he said last month (?) that Hillary would have been a better choice for VP...WTF? Do you not WANT the job? We can arrange that

Ran across this link today at the Orlando Sentinel. Biden does NOT like to be questioned unless he is controlling it. He got really snarky (is that not a great word?)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html


I figured this clip from Fox "news" might appease you. (I get the impression that you're the type to think of them as a real news outlet.)


***************************************
“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be Vice President of the United States of America,” he said, responding to one man who said he was glad Obama chose Biden over the former First Lady because of “the things she’s done in the past.”

Biden, who earlier in the day told the crowd at a Boston fundraiser that he’d refused Obama’s request for help during the long primary battle with Hillary because of his close friendship both Clintons, disagreed with the Clinton criticism.

“Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me,” he said with a grin. “I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So lets get that straight.”
*****************************************

Even Fox had the decency to not take that out of context (they established his long and CLOSE relationship with the Clintons, and the fact that he was smiling as he said it. If Fox (synonymous with "smut") can, then you can too.

Source: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008...etter-vp-pick/
__________________
Last Relaxer: October 2007
Transition Period: 1 Year
Final Big Chop: October 2008
Hair Type: 4A/3B/3A/4B WTH?



MissCurlyCue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 02:22 PM   #28
 
RedCatWaves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 31,616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by susancnw View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by MimsTX View Post

Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
No kidding. Remember he said last month (?) that Hillary would have been a better choice for VP...WTF? Do you not WANT the job? We can arrange that

Ran across this link today at the Orlando Sentinel. Biden does NOT like to be questioned unless he is controlling it. He got really snarky (is that not a great word?)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html


What?!?!? Did you actually watch that video? Biden did a great job keeping his cool in the face of a blatant right-wing-nut-job interviewer. How absurd that you got "snarky" out of that.
RedCatWaves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2008, 02:57 PM   #29
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 145
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by susancnw View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls View Post

And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.


No kidding. Remember he said last month (?) that Hillary would have been a better choice for VP...WTF? Do you not WANT the job? We can arrange that

Ran across this link today at the Orlando Sentinel. Biden does NOT like to be questioned unless he is controlling it. He got really snarky (is that not a great word?)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html


What?!?!? Did you actually watch that video? Biden did a great job keeping his cool in the face of a blatant right-wing-nut-job interviewer. How absurd that you got "snarky" out of that.


Her questions surprised me...they didn't seemed very intelligent (I'm not even kidding) and the extremist slant of her remarks was just ridiculous.

I notice how she used Sweden as an example of a socialist government; most people in politics would initially point to France as an example of a socialist government. I'm assuming she didn't use France as her example because their healthcare is the best in the world and their social programs are arguably the best in the world (including better than in the US).

And people here might actually want that sort or healthcare/social policy.
__________________
Last Relaxer: October 2007
Transition Period: 1 Year
Final Big Chop: October 2008
Hair Type: 4A/3B/3A/4B WTH?



MissCurlyCue is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com