Is Biden Sabotaging the Campaign?

Biden Predicting International Crisis within 6 Months of Obama Presidency.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...to-suppor.html
how is it sabotaging?

From the sound of the article, he was basically just saying that things are going to get worse before they get better (which most people will agree with) and that it'll be the next president (and of course he hopes it's Obama) that has to clean up the mess.
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Biden Predicting International Crisis within 6 Months of Obama Presidency.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...to-suppor.html
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

He was stating a very probable situation. The new president probably WILL be tested by one or more of our enemies within a few months of assuming leadership. It always happens when we've been having international troubles. Biden was re-assuring the public that he thinks Obama is up to the task but we're probably in for a bumpy ride...no scoop there, i think we all know things will be rocky for a while. I think you're grasping at straws.
how is it sabotaging?

From the sound of the article, he was basically just saying that things are going to get worse before they get better (which most people will agree with) and that it'll be the next president (and of course he hopes it's Obama) that has to clean up the mess.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
how is it sabotaging?

From the sound of the article, he was basically just saying that things are going to get worse before they get better (which most people will agree with) and that it'll be the next president (and of course he hopes it's Obama) that has to clean up the mess.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
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Biden Predicting International Crisis within 6 Months of Obama Presidency.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...to-suppor.html
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

He was stating a very probable situation. The new president probably WILL be tested by one or more of our enemies within a few months of assuming leadership. It always happens when we've been having international troubles. Biden was re-assuring the public that he thinks Obama is up to the task but we're probably in for a bumpy ride...no scoop there, i think we all know things will be rocky for a while. I think you're grasping at straws.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I didn't find it reassuring. We know the next president has to be up to the task. But the implication was Obama would be tested more. Who wants another Kruschev(sp) vs. Kennedy showdown? Who is looking to resurrect Carter's foreign policy blunders? I know you are an Obama supporter. But think about how this plays to those who haven't made up their mind. Hillary's 3am ad was very effective with undecideds at the last minute. And throwing in a Powell endorsement in the last two weeks does not significantly improve Obama's chances with the average voter. They already aren't comfortable with him handling war and foreign policy issues. Those numbers have been consistently low from the beginning.
how is it sabotaging?

From the sound of the article, he was basically just saying that things are going to get worse before they get better (which most people will agree with) and that it'll be the next president (and of course he hopes it's Obama) that has to clean up the mess.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.

Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls


I agree, Biden is a blowhard and it's easy to pick apart his words. I do think Obama would do fine in a crises, because he's going to surround himself, is already surrounding himself, with smart people.

The one who really scares me is Palin. If McCain kicked the bucket, she'd have us in like 3 or 4 wars at once, and be pushing the NUKULAR button, often.

Because it's not comforting to undecided and independents to say that your candidate guarantees a world crisis. It implies that Obama is seen as weak and vulnerable on an international stage. I fail to see how this instills confidence but we'll see. Israel has already been planning to attack Iran, between election day and inauguration, if Obama wins.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Of course he's referencing Obama... who else would he reference, considering he's Obama's VP? You could, however, replace the name Biden with Palin, and Obama with McCain within that article and you'd have exactly the same story, with the same truths told in it. Regardless of the fact that I don't feel that Palin would never MAKE such statements (simply because I feel like she either A, doesn't understand the current issues, or B, is afraid to make statements on it for fear of giving the wrong answer), and that I don't feel that McCain COULD weather such a storm, the story's the same.

now, was Biden the absolute BEST choice for Obama's VP? I don't know. But the entire world is going to question ANYONE who steps into both of those roles next, and with good reason. The eyes of the entire world are on us right now, with regards to the future, and I don't think he uttered a single word that hasn't crossed peoples minds. Is he sabotaging the campaign? Hardly. He's just addressing the issues that people have, and reassuring them that Obama's up to the task. NO WHERE in there does Biden say "Obama can't do it."

He simply says "Some people might think he can't, and because of that things might be harder. We need your support in order to keep that from happening."
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Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls


I agree, Biden is a blowhard and it's easy to pick apart his words. I do think Obama would do fine in a crises, because he's going to surround himself, is already surrounding himself, with smart people.

The one who really scares me is Palin. If McCain kicked the bucket, she'd have us in like 3 or 4 wars at once, and be pushing the NUKULAR button, often.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
What if any evidence do you have for this? Why is it assumed she's a crazy war hawk?

And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls


I agree, Biden is a blowhard and it's easy to pick apart his words. I do think Obama would do fine in a crises, because he's going to surround himself, is already surrounding himself, with smart people.

The one who really scares me is Palin. If McCain kicked the bucket, she'd have us in like 3 or 4 wars at once, and be pushing the NUKULAR button, often.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
What if any evidence do you have for this? Why is it assumed she's a crazy war hawk?
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

I listened to her interviews.

Oh, I don't agree with that at ALL. As an independant voter, I find it reassuring that they're actually looking at the facts and reality of what's going on, rather than glossing over it in some lame attempt to keep the general population from freaking out.

Would you prefer they ignore the issue, act like everything's ok and then spring some weird solution on you at the last minute, when it's far too late to do ANYTHING about who's in office?

The crisis WILL happen, whoever's in office. It's a little silly to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. And I'd prefer to have a president who's looking to the future, prepared for it instead of pretending to work on 'band aid' solutions that he doesn't fully understand.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
And how would you feel if Sarah Palin said this? He's not saying whoever goes into office will be tested. He's specifically talking about Obama and references Kennedy who I might add was significantly more experienced. This is from the same guy who said in the Democratic debates that Obama was not ready and the presidency is not for learning on the job. Now he's claiming that the same sentiments are felt by other world leaders. That's strange if you ask me. Biden was just a poor choice.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
Of course he's referencing Obama... who else would he reference, considering he's Obama's VP? You could, however, replace the name Biden with Palin, and Obama with McCain within that article and you'd have exactly the same story, with the same truths told in it. Regardless of the fact that I don't feel that Palin would never MAKE such statements (simply because I feel like she either A, doesn't understand the current issues, or B, is afraid to make statements on it for fear of giving the wrong answer), and that I don't feel that McCain COULD weather such a storm, the story's the same.

now, was Biden the absolute BEST choice for Obama's VP? I don't know. But the entire world is going to question ANYONE who steps into both of those roles next, and with good reason. The eyes of the entire world are on us right now, with regards to the future, and I don't think he uttered a single word that hasn't crossed peoples minds. Is he sabotaging the campaign? Hardly. He's just addressing the issues that people have, and reassuring them that Obama's up to the task. NO WHERE in there does Biden say "Obama can't do it."

He simply says "Some people might think he can't, and because of that things might be harder. We need your support in order to keep that from happening."
Originally Posted by MimsTX
All I'm saying is from a campaign's point of view. This is a pretty stupid way to get votes. It's not confidence instilling at all it's pretty scary. I'm sorry. He could have stated something about how McCain is perceived by the world's leaders. What stability or instability it could bring? How Obama would be better. He didn't. He talked about Obama not because he's on the ticket but because he specifically believes Obama engenders that kind of testing. Hence why I brought up the Kennedy example. Put yourself in the place of the undecided? Do I want to swing with the guy who his VP is saying will make the country more of a target? Or go with the other one. And telling voters that the polls are going to drop and you'll need to hang with us is pretty depressing. Biden has an uncanny ability to just say the wrong things.



I agree, Biden is a blowhard and it's easy to pick apart his words. I do think Obama would do fine in a crises, because he's going to surround himself, is already surrounding himself, with smart people.

The one who really scares me is Palin. If McCain kicked the bucket, she'd have us in like 3 or 4 wars at once, and be pushing the NUKULAR button, often.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
What if any evidence do you have for this? Why is it assumed she's a crazy war hawk?
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

I listened to her interviews.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Could you share some examples that led you to this belief? I'm genuinely interested. I too wish she would get out more and talk with media.

I agree, Biden is a blowhard and it's easy to pick apart his words. I do think Obama would do fine in a crises, because he's going to surround himself, is already surrounding himself, with smart people.

The one who really scares me is Palin. If McCain kicked the bucket, she'd have us in like 3 or 4 wars at once, and be pushing the NUKULAR button, often.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
JFK had the "smartest people in the room" His foreign policy record speaks for itself. One of my fears about Obama and Palin is they would feel the need to overcompensate for assumptions that they are not "tough enough" and will make a serious war blunder.
If you're going to vote based on what one VP says one time, I'm of the belief that it doesn't MATTER what he says.

It goes back to what I said about being upfront. Either you can address what's actually in someone's head, or you can sidestep it. McCain/Palin sidestep so many things it's not even funny. If nothing else, at least Biden's being upfront and honest about the situation, stating that they're both aware of it, and that they can handle it.

I'd rather have someone that deals with things like that head on than someone that sugar coats everything and pretends like it's fine. Or, even worse, bad mouths the opponent in an attempt to make his own issues seem less significant. I really don't see how Biden had many other options, and I'd rather he take the one he did, personally. Was there perhaps a better way for him to have phrased it? Sure. But it's all semantics... the words come out to mean the same thing.

I guess it's just a personal choice in how you'd rather have people deal with things. And all other issues aside, Biden hardly sabotaged the entire campaign with one speech or interview. If it was that easy, McCain would have ended his entire run for office by now.
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If you're going to vote based on what one VP says one time, I'm of the belief that it doesn't MATTER what he says.

It goes back to what I said about being upfront. Either you can address what's actually in someone's head, or you can sidestep it. McCain/Palin sidestep so many things it's not even funny. If nothing else, at least Biden's being upfront and honest about the situation, stating that they're both aware of it, and that they can handle it.

I'd rather have someone that deals with things like that head on than someone that sugar coats everything and pretends like it's fine. Or, even worse, bad mouths the opponent in an attempt to make his own issues seem less significant. I really don't see how Biden had many other options, and I'd rather he take the one he did, personally. Was there perhaps a better way for him to have phrased it? Sure. But it's all semantics... the words come out to mean the same thing.

I guess it's just a personal choice in how you'd rather have people deal with things. And all other issues aside, Biden hardly sabotaged the entire campaign with one speech or interview. If it was that easy, McCain would have ended his entire run for office by now.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
It's not if I'm going to vote. It's the millions of little undecideds who swing elections. People vote on any random number of things. Even i'm sometimes surprised at some of the reasons people choose their candidates. There are some very interesting theoretical developments on voter behavior none of them portray the voter as somberly and rational as you'd think.

And it does matter what they say otherwise they wouldn't spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns and have staffs nitpick and craft every phrase on a stump or at a debate. Like I said I'm looking at from a strategic viewpoint of the campaign and how it wins votes. This seems like a really off strategy. And the thread is, is he sabotaging. I didn't say he derailed the campaign in one speech. But Biden's gaffes have a cumulative effect. When your already perceived as a weak ticket on foreign policy you don't compound the problem by saying we are guaranteed gloom and doom if you elect us. And it will get worse just hange with us. I'm sorry but this is almost like Hillary's 3am ad. Who's ready for the crisis call?
I don't like that he said this now. I like that they are thinking ahead, and being realistic about the world and its players. But, now is not the time to say these things. Especially that the McCain campaign or his supporters are bound to use it. It does not come across well. I wonder if there will be clarification... Isn't there always?

As a still undecided voter I think it's good that Obama/Biden are thinking about things like this. I'd much rather them be thinking about it and saying they are then thinking it could never happen. Knowing that they are thinking about it makes me hope that they are also thinking about the people who will be surrounding them in office and hopefully will be making wise choices that will be able to handle the situation if something were to happen.
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What if any evidence do you have for this? Why is it assumed she's a crazy war hawk?
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

I listened to her interviews.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Could you share some examples that led you to this belief? I'm genuinely interested. I too wish she would get out more and talk with media.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
I assume she is referring to the "can't blink" statement made by Sarah Palin.
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I listened to her interviews.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Could you share some examples that led you to this belief? I'm genuinely interested. I too wish she would get out more and talk with media.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
I assume she is referring to the "can't blink" statement made by Sarah Palin.
Originally Posted by Poodlehead

Yes. There were other smaller statements that gave me pause about her diplomacy ability, but that was the main one. Bush also used the "can't blink" statements in the lead up to the wars, and we see how well that worked out. Palin strikes me as a hothead-loose-cannon-type who wouldn't blink with using the NUKULAR codes. Maybe her friends and family would be safe up there in the great northwest, but I live on the east coast in a large metropolitan area, and I'm really not ready to bend over and kiss my ass goodbye.

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