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This is kind of a random thought but, those few blacks I saw there reminded me of Bush's nephew during the 2004 elections. I was like hey where'd he come from? Maybe it's just my issue, but I felt like they just brought him out to show us that "see we like brown people. We even have some in our family."
Originally Posted by YolyC
They did and don't think he won't be back. He's affectionately known as the little brown one by Papa Bush. What's worse I actually know someone who voted for Bush solely because they thought his nephew was hot like Ricky Martin. These are the people our democracy hinges on. Haha.
This is kind of a random thought but, those few blacks I saw there reminded me of Bush's nephew during the 2004 elections. I was like hey where'd he come from? Maybe it's just my issue, but I felt like they just brought him out to show us that "see we like brown people. We even have some in our family."
Originally Posted by YolyC
They did and don't think he won't be back. He's affectionately known as the little brown one by Papa Bush. What's worse I actually know someone who voted for Bush solely because they thought his nephew was hot like Ricky Martin. These are the people our democracy hinges on. Haha.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls

Hee! Sad isn't it.

I googled Amy Holmes. I agree, VERY cute hair. I'll read about her and see what she thinks.
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If you support a candidate, but are afraid to say so, do you really support that candidate?

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If you support a candidate, but are afraid to say so, do you really support that candidate?

To choose not to choose is to choose.
Originally Posted by Myradella3
I think so. I've been called out for not voting for Obama several times on facebook and other places, by supposed friends of mine. I do think people should be able to keep their political leanings or the candidate of their choice to themselves if they want. I know most of us don't mind talking about the candidate we support, but it is rather nosy to demand to know who someone is voting for and why, if that person wants to keep it to themselves.

ETA: And voting doesn't involve having to raise your hand, voting is a private matter, so why shouldn't people be able to keep that to themselves?
I actually think it's best to keep your political opinion to yourself. Online blogs are fine, but in person... forget about it. Politics is a passionate subject and the discussions tend to get very heated. I, for one, don't discuss it in mixed company. I remember once i was waiting for the train and reading a political article in the paper. This lady leans over and goes, I supported Hillary because Obama doesn't have experience. Of course this was after Hillary had dropped out of the race. I had a lot of rebuttals for this lady, but I decided not to even go there. I just said politely, I've always supported Obama.
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If you support a candidate, but are afraid to say so, do you really support that candidate?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
I've met people who are not only afraid to say who they support, but they outright lie about who they are voting for.

The first time, it was a white school teacher who lied to me about voting for Obama. She was well informed about the issues and she sounded like she was a huge supporter--turns she's actually voting for McCain (I found out from a mutual friend who has been trying in vain, to get her to vote for Obama).

The other incident happened this past weekend. I was at a party and one of the guests, a Latino, kept going on and on about how he was voting Obama. I found out later that he's actually voting for McCain and that he hates black people. There were 4 of us talking politics (2 staunch Republicans, me and this guy), so I'm not sure why he felt he had to lie.

It makes me nervous that there could be lot more people like these two individuals I met. What if there is a significant amount of people lying to the pollsters or to themselves, about voting for Obama?

I almost don't want to think about it.

Edited to say that I really do think it's a personal matter, much like one's income. It's really nobody's business. But I do have a big problem with people lying about who they're voting for. Just say, "I don't want to talk politics" and call it a day.

Last edited by medussa; 10-21-2008 at 02:55 PM.
...one reason I cannot relate to the Republican party is that they do not relate or care about me as an African American woman.

I think this blog entry sums it up nicely

...that by focusing so exclusively on the needs of the Joe Plumbers and the Joe Six Packs, all those who fall outside of this category (women, people of color, non-Christians, etc) are of no value to the GOP.

Source: http://princetonprofs.blogspot.com/2...idding-me.html

The Kitchen Table, Conversations with Dr. Melissa Harris-Lacewell, Associate Professor of Politics and African American Studies at Princeton University and Dr. Yolanda Pierce, Associate Professor of African American Religion and Literature at Princeton Theological Seminary

Note: Harris-Lacewell is a regular on Rachel Maddow's show. I love her comments and general sensibility.

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I've met people who are not only afraid to say who they support, but they outright lie about who they are voting for.

Edited to say that I really do think it's a personal matter, much like one's income. It's really nobody's business. But I do have a big problem with people lying about who they're voting for. Just say, "I don't want to talk politics" and call it a day.
Originally Posted by medussa
I've encountered the lying thing as well. Which is weird because they could just leave the subject alone. All the fake Obama supporters I've met are white men, so who knows. Maybe they are worried about being seen as racist or maybe they want to seem hip. I find the situation weird and wonder how many more fake supporters are out there. Lying is taking it too far.
...one reason I cannot relate to the Republican party is that they do not relate or care about me as an African American woman.

I think this blog entry sums it up nicely

...that by focusing so exclusively on the needs of the Joe Plumbers and the Joe Six Packs, all those who fall outside of this category (women, people of color, non-Christians, etc) are of no value to the GOP.

Source: http://princetonprofs.blogspot.com/2...idding-me.html

The Kitchen Table, Conversations with Dr. Melissa Harris-Lacewell, Associate Professor of Politics and African American Studies at Princeton University and Dr. Yolanda Pierce, Associate Professor of African American Religion and Literature at Princeton Theological Seminary

Note: Harris-Lacewell is a regular on Rachel Maddow's show. I love her comments and general sensibility.
Originally Posted by wavezncurlz
What are the exclusive needs of Joe the Plumber, Six Pack, Bricklayer whoever? I thought I'd find it at the article but didn't. I'll disclose that I'm not a fan of the author.
But my question for Obama for tonight would be: why pull back from the issue of racism in the GOP campaign? Why not acknowledge that taunts of "kill him" directed to you are a throwback to the legacy of lynching in this country? Why not say that when one is labeled a terrorist or called a Muslim, it is actually code for racial slurs. We are kidding ourselves by not publicly having that part of the campaign aired and deconstructed during these debates.


I think while Obama and a lot of us see that they are racial slurs. Obama is choosing not to focus on it at the moment. My thought is this. He takes the high road, lets them keep up their race baiting and eventually folks see through it and it back fires on the McCain Palin team.

He's looking ahead. There is much more he could do to deal with the problem of racism in America as President than he can as the democratic nominee for president.
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You say that you support Mr. ABC but don't want people to know it for fear of criticism or retribution.

or

You feel your vote is private and don't choose to share.


Are those situations the same thing?
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But my question for Obama for tonight would be: why pull back from the issue of racism in the GOP campaign? Why not acknowledge that taunts of "kill him" directed to you are a throwback to the legacy of lynching in this country? Why not say that when one is labeled a terrorist or called a Muslim, it is actually code for racial slurs. We are kidding ourselves by not publicly having that part of the campaign aired and deconstructed during these debates.
The "kill him" comment was baseless and unfounded. http://www.timesleader.com/news/brea...nfounded_.html

Just another example of the MSM doing a piss poor job of reporting the news. I don't know who's calling him a terrorist. But Bill Ayers is a disturbing association even if he felt sorry about his actions. Unfortunately he doesn't regret it at all. The Muslim charge is silly though I think his church is crazy. But this is the dirtiness of politics. It seems bad today, but it really used to be a hell of a lot worse.
I think that its problematic that entire demographics of people feel that they aren't represented by a particular party. That party needs to reevaluate the message that it is sending out. Its particularly problematic in a 2 party system like the US.

I can't speak for blacks in the US, but I can speak as an non-white/non-Christian American. I will never EVER vote Republican after this whole issue of targeting Obama because he might be a Muslim. It tells me that within the Republican party, if you are not white and Christian then you are second-class, worthy of distrust and quite possibly a terrorist. I don't want to be associated at all with that kind of thinking, whether it comes from the party itself or from supporters of the party. They want your vote, but they don't actually want you taking any sort of visible/influential role in the country.

Its sad because lots of non-white, non-Christians are fiscally conservative, want less influence of government on their lives. But most of the people I know who fit this bill, will still not vote Republican because there is that underlying distrust.
Originally Posted by mad scientist
You said all of this perfectly (not just the stuff I bolded, all of it!!), and i agree 1,000,000,000 percent! Also, I am not Muslim or Arab, but all the demonizing that is going on of those cultures really bothers me. It's the same kind of bigoted, arrogant, hate filled rhetoric that was used to start the holocaust. It's terrifying.
I find it discouraging that any person, group, sex, or race bases their vote solely on which party a candidate represents.
Originally Posted by KindaWavy
Ugh. I wish people would stop perpetuating the myth that black people are only voting for Obama because of his race. Black people also voted for Kerry and Gore. See a pattern?
I wish we had another successful party that wasn't either one extreme or the next. If only the Independant "party" could be taken seriously so people actually vote for them.
Originally Posted by lacunaCoils
AMEN!

I'm very 'moderate'. My opinion on various issues really varies between being 'conservative', 'liberal' or somewhere in the middle. It's always a crap shoot for me, voting-wise in an election. No one's ever really a very good fit for what i'm looking for.

Still, I'd rather not throw my vote away on someone that i know won't get elected...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Darn tootin'! I'm a bit of a conservative liberal if that makes sense. I'm conservative in making decisions for myself, but I realize that not everyone feels the same way. I usually vote in a way that will allow me to choose what's best for me without imposing on others. Like in the case of abortion... I might not do it, but that doesn't mean that I should vote that you're deemed a criminal if you do it.
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I've met people who are not only afraid to say who they support, but they outright lie about who they are voting for.

Edited to say that I really do think it's a personal matter, much like one's income. It's really nobody's business. But I do have a big problem with people lying about who they're voting for. Just say, "I don't want to talk politics" and call it a day.
Originally Posted by medussa
I've encountered the lying thing as well. Which is weird because they could just leave the subject alone. All the fake Obama supporters I've met are white men, so who knows. Maybe they are worried about being seen as racist or maybe they want to seem hip. I find the situation weird and wonder how many more fake supporters are out there. Lying is taking it too far.
Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls
That's exactly what people mean when the talk about the dreaded "Bradley Effect" in polling numbers. People say that they are voting for the Black or minority candidate so that they won't seem prejudiced but they actually end up voting for the other candidate.
You say that you support Mr. ABC but don't want people to know it for fear of criticism or retribution.

or

You feel your vote is private and don't choose to share.


Are those situations the same thing?
Originally Posted by Myradella3
I think so. In both instances you are keeping your vote to yourself, wanting to keep it a private thing. Some people just don't want the hassle of dealing with others who will criticize them and I don't blame them. If I let everyone know my stance on every issue, I'm sure people would be telling me how wrong I was all the time, etc. I honestly think people should be a little more respective of the reasons others want to keep things private, no matter the reason.

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