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Old 10-22-2008, 11:20 AM   #1
 
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He raised -- as he has for days -- a comment Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, made recently that if the Illinois senator becomes president, America's foes will manufacture a crisis to test him.
McCain said that will not happen if he wins the election.
"They know I have been tested. I have been tested many times," McCain said.
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...zer/index.html

Honestly. As though he can see the future.

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I think either one will be tested. The question for me was how will each react under pressure. Obama/Biden seem more level headed, calm, able to think under pressure. I can't say the same for the Palin/McCain team.

I'm afraid the "team of Mavericks" will send our soldiers on preemptive attacks on other nations. That is crazy and our soldiers and their families will be the ones suffering for it. He could say I'm sorry a million times, but until he loses a son or daughter in one of their reckless wars he will not get it.
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I don't think it's about seeing the future. It's about international leaders thinking they can get away with more on Obama's watch. Now if you don't like McCain Palin's foreign policy that is one thing. But Biden's little riff implied that there are many little Kruschev's out there ready to pick on the new guy.
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I think either one will be tested. The question for me was how will each react under pressure. Obama/Biden seem more level headed, calm, able to think under pressure. I can't say the same for the Palin/McCain team.

I'm afraid the "team of Mavericks" will send our soldiers on preemptive attacks on other nations. That is crazy and our soldiers and their families will be the ones suffering for it. He could say I'm sorry a million times, but until he loses a son or daughter in one of their reckless wars he will not get it.
That's a more reasonable way to look at from how you think each will be tested. But Biden wasn't talking at length about this. He was talking about there mere presence in the Whitehouse will make them a target. If Obama is elected it's pretty clear Israel will bomb Iran before he's inaugurated. And who knows what the fallout of that will be.
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It's about international leaders thinking they can get away with more on Obama's watch.
and you've asked ALL of them personally????
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Actually:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...upporters.html
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I think either one will be tested. The question for me was how will each react under pressure. Obama/Biden seem more level headed, calm, able to think under pressure. I can't say the same for the Palin/McCain team.

I'm afraid the "team of Mavericks" will send our soldiers on preemptive attacks on other nations. That is crazy and our soldiers and their families will be the ones suffering for it. He could say I'm sorry a million times, but until he loses a son or daughter in one of their reckless wars he will not get it.
That's a more reasonable way to look at from how you think each will be tested. But Biden wasn't talking at length about this. He was talking about there mere presence in the Whitehouse will make them a target. If Obama is elected it's pretty clear Israel will bomb Iran before he's inaugurated. And who knows what the fallout of that will be.
See this worries me. America always has Israel's back. But that shouldn't mean Israel should be able go start WW III and for America to follow blindly, just because they are our allies. As individuals we need to be able to tell our friends when they are wrong. On a bigger scale the US needs to do the same with our allies. And, they should be able to tell us the same. I honestly believe if Israel does attack, we would have a world war. Even worse than WWII because it will be based on religious hatred more than on Israel's location on a map.
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If Obama is elected it's pretty clear Israel will bomb Iran before he's inaugurated.
and you know this... how? Ehud Olmert told you himself????

the Israeli government is currently in an election phase itself - i doubt they have time or the inclination to start WWIII. please provide a legitimate non-American source for your information.

an Iranian attack on Israel, however, is never out of the question...
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If Obama is elected it's pretty clear Israel will bomb Iran before he's inaugurated.
and you know this... how? Ehud Olmert told you himself????

the Israeli government is currently in an election phase itself - i doubt they have time or the inclination to start WWIII. please provide a legitimate non-American source for your information.

an Iranian attack on Israel, however, is never out of the question...
Yep, that is a pretty strong assertion

McCain will definitely make me feel all warm, safe, and fuzzy at night .

And yeah, I never could quite understand the israel/american relationship.
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It's about international leaders thinking they can get away with more on Obama's watch.
That's funny... From all that I read, Internationals really would prefer that Obama be in the White House. I think an attack would be more probable with 8 more years of the GOP. And anyways, if they're going to bomb us, it's already in the works right now. Our slipping economy is effecting the world's economy and I'm sure the world isn't too happy about that.

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Israel's government officials declined to comment on the reports. But Ephraim HaLevy, former head of the Mossad, Israel's foreign intelligence service, said that the question of an Israeli strike on Iran has been "in the air" for a long time. (http://abcnews.go.com/International/...5284361&page=1)

John Bolton, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations said "The "optimal window" for the strikes would be between the "November 4th election and the inauguration January 20th, 2009."

Here's an article he wrote.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1216...n_commentaries

Here's a longish transcript from Democracy Now on Israel preparing to bomb Iran. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/2...g_to_bomb_iran

For those who balk at the idea of Israel bombing Iran because they have elections or some other domestic issues going on you have got to be kidding. They see Iran as a serious nuclear threat and are not sure whether Obama's administration would actually back them up. So they will defend themselves, they won't wait or take chances. With McCain in power they might delay an attack but who knows exactly how long. I hope we don't end up with WWIII, that whole region is scaring me.
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You know what, Lieberman, a McCain supporter said the same thing about the new president being tested. Any new president being tested, and he gave examples of some of the recent tests. So, McCain shouldn't really be thinking that his presence will thwart anything.
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I'm not looking forward to either candidate on national security. We have one that has serious weaknesses, vulnerabilites, and questionable associations and another that is a neocon with a whole host of hawks, hardliners and "cold war" mentality advisors. It's not pretty but I've got my ambien.
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I think if either candidate wins, there's a possibility of them being tested. Look at GW Bush. 9/11 happened in his first year of presidency.
I don't think it'll be different for McCain.

I think terrorists and our national enemies know we are the most vulnerable early in a president's administration.

I find it doubtful that Israel is going to start a world war. I really do. They'll need our help, and we are less able to provide that right away after a new administration.

Security will need to be on more alert, especially Obama's personal security. The crazy-o's I'm most afraid of right now is our "good ol' American" crazy-o.
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I think if either candidate wins, there's a possibility of them being tested. Look at GW Bush. 9/11 happened in his first year of presidency.
I don't think it'll be different for McCain.

I think terrorists and our national enemies know we are the most vulnerable early in a president's administration.

I find it doubtful that Israel is going to start a world war. I really do. They'll need our help, and we are less able to provide that right away after a new administration.

Security will need to be on more alert, especially Obama's personal security. The crazy-o's I'm most afraid of right now is our "good ol' American" crazy-o.
9/11 was not a referendum on Bush or a test. It was attack on the country. Biden if you read his words said it will be about testing Obama not the country. He even brings up the example of JFK not being taken seriously by our enemies.
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I didn't say it was an attack on Bush. I'm saying we were the most vulnerable during an early administration. I thought I made myself clear.
It wasn't Bush's fault...and it wasn't because they hated Bush. But really, we are not as organized early in an administration and the president is trying to figure out how best to deal with various world leaders.
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I just had a thought...

If the idea that a new president would be tested is not a far out one, and campaigns tend to speak of their administrations as though they are inevitable...

Would it be fair to say that Biden was speaking about this world test in such definite terms about Obama, because as far as he's concerned, "Obama is going to be the next president of the United States!"
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