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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Here's my take on the OP. I feel that she has written MANY post with some major racist undertones, which colors (excuse the pun) anything she says. I think people are reacting to that.
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Here's my take on the OP. I feel that she has written MANY post with some major racist undertones, which colors (excuse the pun) anything she says. I think people are reacting to that.
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Here's my take on the OP. I feel that she has written MANY post with some major racist undertones, which colors (excuse the pun) anything she says. I think people are reacting to that.
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Here's my take on the OP. I feel that she has written MANY post with some major racist undertones, which colors (excuse the pun) anything she says. I think people are reacting to that.
I agree 100%!
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Are you kidding, with the BUSH listen to our phone calls and read our emails under the guise of checking for terrorist. Are you really serious?
Awww, don't I get any points for looking on the bright side? Believe me, the Bush administration has lured a lot of people I know to the libertarian point of view, credit where credit is due, I just think an Obama admisistration will be even better at it! And like I said, it's not the "Big Brother is Watching You" scenario that undermines freedom, its the tiny subtle ways government slithers into our lives through seemingly benign regulation. I really do hope Obama will have the most open government ever and we'll get to finally see all the files on Area 51!
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I tend to not agree with the few susancw posts I've read. But I have to co-sign on this one. I can understand why it's your last post, there's almost a week left and this election is definitely intense. Ignore some of the more ridiculous comments and just pray the country makes the best decision with the options we have.

And whoever is defending Acorn do you think they are just registering fake people for kicks? This is not a few stray volunteers meeting a quota. This is a systemic problem that is "conveniently" occurring in all the swing states. They also receive federal funds to not register all the people they claim and thereafter clog up the courts and electoral offices with their dubious voter rolls. I think you would want to look into the sketchy history of the organization yourself before you sing their praises. And you might want to recheck the definition of voter fraud because they is exactly what they are doing. It's called voter registration fraud. There are lots of ways both parties try to destroy the integrity of our elections. But I'm not going to pretend ACORN is some great organization especially with the role they played in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crisis. I will say that I'm surprised there isn't more hullabaloo over mail-in-registration and absentee ballots.

I never thought I'd say it but maybe we should take some electoral lessons from Mexico. They require every voter to prove citizenship and eligibility by presenting a federally issued Mexican voter ID card that bears the voter's picture, fingerprint, a holographic image to prevent tampering and a barcode. This is a very simple and elegant solution. And the Democratic party would most likely oppose it.
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I never thought I'd say it but maybe we should take some electoral lessons from Mexico. They require every voter to prove citizenship and eligibility by presenting a federally issued Mexican voter ID card that bears the voter's picture, fingerprint, a holographic image to prevent tampering and a barcode. This is a very simple and elegant solution. And the Democratic party would most likely oppose it.
Yes lets take another step towards "big brother is watching us" kind of thing. Next thing you know the North American Union will be put into effect and then we will all have RFID chips courtesy of the government to track our every movement. RFID chips are already in use in things like jeans and money, the FDA has already approved the human implantable chip and have been experimenting with it. Yes that is exactly the path this country need to take.
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Debate requires two sides. When the OP was asked questions, she didn't answer. When pressed, she walks away. That's not being idiot but it's also not mature, intelligent debate.
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I never thought I'd say it but maybe we should take some electoral lessons from Mexico. They require every voter to prove citizenship and eligibility by presenting a federally issued Mexican voter ID card that bears the voter's picture, fingerprint, a holographic image to prevent tampering and a barcode. This is a very simple and elegant solution. And the Democratic party would most likely oppose it.
Yes lets take another step towards "big brother is watching us" kind of thing. Next thing you know the North American Union will be put into effect and then we will all have RFID chips courtesy of the government to track our every movement. RFID chips are already in use in things like jeans and money, the FDA has already approved the human implantable chip and have been experimenting with it. Yes that is exactly the path this country need to take.
Who said RFID would have to be in the Voter ID card. Should we stop issuing driver's license because of those "big brother" fears. It's kind of silly considering RFID's are already in use. And honestly the government and private companies already can track almost everything you do. For the rest of us who live on the grid, have credit cards and an internet connection, pay our taxes, don't homeschool, etc I don't see how this is a problem. You really would prefer we keep our elections in some litigious banana republic style?
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I am voting for Obama, but this is the reason I cannot become a full time Democrat or left wing liberal. Every time someone speaks their mind in an intelligent manner, simply stating why the feel the way they do and why they are voting the way they do, you all have to jump all over them and make them feel like an idiot.

I found many of things this person posted true. I totally respect their right to feel the way they do. No wonder there is so much bipartisanship in the Congress, two people on a curly board can't even have an intelligent debate. I wish everyone would just let each side have their say.
Debate requires two sides. When the OP was asked questions, she didn't answer. When pressed, she walks away. That's not being idiot but it's also not mature, intelligent debate.
I agree with you munchkin, there is definitely a mentality here to gang up on certain posters. Just look at the way the OP is being treated with her post. Quite a few comments, rather catty in nature, getting in one last swipe with the claws.

Myradella3 - I got the impression that the OP, like so many others here, myself included, have very busy lives. Many of us can not spend a big chunk of time on a daily basis hanging out on Curl Talk debating issues.

I have a husband, kids, and a household to run with all the everyday things that entails. I spend some time in the morning scanning threads, posting on occasion, and getting on with my day. I can't help that others will interpret my style of posting as someone who does not wish to get into a lengthy debate or is avoiding anything. I just have different priorities that do take precedence over posting on a hair forum.

I prefer it that way.
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Were the 90's so "nanny state?" Were the Clinton years so socialist?

I am surprised at how many people think that we are going to go North Korea/China if Obama wins.

Oh well. Nevermind.
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I am surprised at how many people think that we are going to go North Korea/China if Obama wins.

Oh well. Nevermind.

I don't know if we are going socialist. All I know is the person who posted originally had their opinion. They are very much entitled to that whether you, I or anyone else agrees or not. Let's not jump all over someone because they think differently than you or me.
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Were the 90's so "nanny state?" Were the Clinton years so socialist?

I am surprised at how many people think that we are going to go North Korea/China if Obama wins.

Oh well. Nevermind.

I don't know if we are going socialist. All I know is the person who posted originally had their opinion. They are very much entitled to that whether you, I or anyone else agrees or not. Let's not jump all over someone because they think differently than you or me.

I think they're "jumping all over" the original poster because of the racist undertones in her present and past posts here...and some of the overt untruths that she posted here, as well.
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Myradella3 - I got the impression that the OP, like so many others here, myself included, have very busy lives. Many of us can not spend a big chunk of time on a daily basis hanging out on Curl Talk debating issues.

I have a husband, kids, and a household to run with all the everyday things that entails. I spend some time in the morning scanning threads, posting on occasion, and getting on with my day. I can't help that others will interpret my style of posting as someone who does not wish to get into a lengthy debate or is avoiding anything. I just have different priorities that do take precedence over posting on a hair forum.

I prefer it that way.
In the several paragraphs that the OP used to bid us farewell, she could have answered the questions she was asked. Or do as she has chosen to do which is not participate in an interaction such as this which suggests that the discussion will be two-way.
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I never thought I'd say it but maybe we should take some electoral lessons from Mexico. They require every voter to prove citizenship and eligibility by presenting a federally issued Mexican voter ID card that bears the voter's picture, fingerprint, a holographic image to prevent tampering and a barcode. This is a very simple and elegant solution. And the Democratic party would most likely oppose it.
Yes lets take another step towards "big brother is watching us" kind of thing. Next thing you know the North American Union will be put into effect and then we will all have RFID chips courtesy of the government to track our every movement. RFID chips are already in use in things like jeans and money, the FDA has already approved the human implantable chip and have been experimenting with it. Yes that is exactly the path this country need to take.
Who said RFID would have to be in the Voter ID card. Should we stop issuing driver's license because of those "big brother" fears. It's kind of silly considering RFID's are already in use. And honestly the government and private companies already can track almost everything you do. For the rest of us who live on the grid, have credit cards and an internet connection, pay our taxes, don't homeschool, etc I don't see how this is a problem. You really would prefer we keep our elections in some litigious banana republic style?
I hope I didn't come off as trying to attack you, I wasn't. I was thinking of the Real ID Act when I posted this, even if there are ways for the gov't to track almost everything you do there are ways around it. I would like to go into more detail but I just can't find the words and how to say them. I guess I'll just leave it at that until I can find a way to gather my thoughts in a cohesive manner.
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I am surprised at how many people think that we are going to go North Korea/China if Obama wins.

Oh well. Nevermind.

McCain and his supporters know damn well that we aren't turning into a socialist (or communist) country. It's rhetoric, hyperbole, meant to scare the less-than-smart voters.
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Yes lets take another step towards "big brother is watching us" kind of thing. Next thing you know the North American Union will be put into effect and then we will all have RFID chips courtesy of the government to track our every movement. RFID chips are already in use in things like jeans and money, the FDA has already approved the human implantable chip and have been experimenting with it. Yes that is exactly the path this country need to take.
Who said RFID would have to be in the Voter ID card. Should we stop issuing driver's license because of those "big brother" fears. It's kind of silly considering RFID's are already in use. And honestly the government and private companies already can track almost everything you do. For the rest of us who live on the grid, have credit cards and an internet connection, pay our taxes, don't homeschool, etc I don't see how this is a problem. You really would prefer we keep our elections in some litigious banana republic style?
I hope I didn't come off as trying to attack you, I wasn't. I was thinking of the Real ID Act when I posted this, even if there are ways for the gov't to track almost everything you do there are ways around it. I would like to go into more detail but I just can't find the words and how to say them. I guess I'll just leave it at that until I can find a way to gather my thoughts in a cohesive manner.
No you didn't come off as trying to attack me. It's just the hostility of the election and the lack of inflection in online posts. I have no idea how a number of people are actually articulating their thoughts. Feel free to start a new thread about RFID's. They are not my favorite thing either, I'm just trying to balance my idealism with some pragmatism.
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Were the 90's so "nanny state?" Were the Clinton years so socialist?

I am surprised at how many people think that we are going to go North Korea/China if Obama wins.

Oh well. Nevermind.

McCain and his supporters know damn well that we aren't turning into a socialist (or communist) country. It's rhetoric, hyperbole, meant to scare the less-than-smart voters.
Tilly, I think you are getting things confused no one has brought up China or North Korea those are horrible examples unless you meant to be hyperbolic.

To Red Cat Waves, I think McCain and his supporters can speak for themselves. The country has been going in the wrong direction for a long while now. What is capitalistic about nationalizing banks, that was under Bush. I am no fan of Bush, and all that "economic progress" under Clinton has now prove to be pretty illusionary, those bubbles have burst.

I will be blunt. I don't trust Obama. There is a thread that runs through his life story and his associates and it has little to do with the Founders or Adam Smith. It not fear-mongering to look at who he associates with, how he votes, and things he has said off-script.
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