Yep, I'm done for now

I understand how passionately people feel about Obama being president. And many of you know that I have some serious reservations about the man (to say the least).

And if he were white, I would have the same reservations...so this is not a racist/bigot thing no matter what anyone thinks. i also understand that there are some people here that are not going to believe it. Fine, that's their choice. I think that if he were white, he wouldn't be the Democrat presidential nominee. I think that he gave a great speech in 2004 at the DNC. The Dems became so very enamored with him that they started backing him before they did any investigating. How many politicians, black or white, were in national office six months before they began running for the presidency. Sheer arrogance to think that you are fit for it. Being a state legislator does not prepare you for the presidency, I don't care who you are. And since they had so much riding on it, they could not back down and push Hillary w/o being accused of being racists/bigots. And I think what they did to Hillary was disgraceful. I think they forget the Clintons have long memories and they carry grudges.

I am not crazy about either of my voting choices, but McCain is the lesser of two evils. I hate to put it that way and I am unbelievably sad that my country has come to this. We have allowed our politicians to turn a 'service' into a career. Reading the Federalist papers, Constitution and papers, etc., it is pretty clear that was the plan. I get the impression that they didn't put terms limits in there as they just didn't think anyone would want to do it for a lifetime. And it was not until the 20th century that politicians apparently decided that it was an easy job. They grew to like the power. I think many of them have decided that they like their 'influence', the power, having people kowtow to them, etc. And who wouldn't? but we have allowed them to set up such cushy lives 'serving' us, that it has become means to a great pension, outstanding health care that many of us will never see (I used to have similar care), people fawning and sucking up...

That said, I see few of our politicians actually working for us, particularly the ones who are in the news all the time. Many of them are hardworking for their constituents...but too many of them have been in there for too long.

That said, I could not in good conscience vote for Obama. There are too many unanswered questions, questions that are 'off limits". He is a very charismatic, personable and is a good speaker. Those in and of themselves are not good reasons to elect him.

He has refused to answer or deflect many questions. He has not released any papers he has written (BTW, after being elected to position of head of Harvard Law Review, he never wrote an article for them). He has denied, then obfuscated past associations. He chose his church membership based upon their stated agenda of 'blackness'. I find his association with Rev. Wright distasteful, and his statements about Wright disengenuous. I left a church that my family belonged to after about 3 years as I did not agree with what the pastor was preaching. It was a very severe theological disconnect between us. I did try to resolve it and never received any sort of answer. If I could do it at 18, then I find it difficult to believe an adult man who continues to associate with someone who espouses what Wright does couldn't unless he actually believed what was being said in the pulpit. I was not the only one who left that particular church because of that preacher. I was just one of the youngest adults who made the decision.

Anthony Rezko and Ayers are other associates that I question. Rezko has been indicted and, in spite of what Obama says, he did have an association with Ayers that began in the 90s and continued for a long time. If you investigate Ayers' background, his writings, associations and statements, you find him very questionable and just not a very nice person.

Like it or not, we are judged on our friends and associates. We are judged by our past actions.

This might be a small, petty point, but after agreeing to take public funding for his campaign, Obama changed his mind...broken promise. Like it or not, his campaign has gone on the attack personally against many people. Joe the Plumber is the latest one, and there is a question now that government computers was used to illegally access his background. Doesn't anyone find that disturbing?

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...e.html?sid=101

When Palin was named VP candidate, his campaign sent dozens of lawyers to Alaska to dig up dirt. He has denied association, etc with ACORN, but records show that hundreds of thousands of dollars were paid by his campaign to the group. Paid public offices in MO formed a task force to investigate/prosecute anyone that they decided was telling untruths...or anything that they didn't like. Police state anyone?

An unending group of people are constantly bringing up Todd Palin's membership in the Alaskan independence party (or whatever the name is), but no one except alternative media is bringing up Obama's membership and association with the Chicago New Party...a socialist party. Why is this not questionable also?

http://www.chicagodsa.org/index.html


I am not saying that McCain is perfect, far from it. I think he has been too conciliatory on some things. I think he has made too much of an effort to be all inclusive and too work with everyone. Let's face it, it is impossible to work with everyone all the time...we all try it at work, school, etc and we're all different, so it's just not gonna happen.

I don't think Obama is the devil incarnate, nor do I think he is the Messiah, the 'ones we have been waiting for'. Most people I know are not waiting for anyone. They are working hard to support their families and live their lives.They do not want a handout, they want to work and make their own American Dream. Obama has made his, but why is he so determined to keep me from mine?

I voted for Bush and I will admit it. I will also say that I am very unhappy with some decisions that he has made, particularly recently. I don't like his stands on certain things and I do think he has made mistakes. That said, I do think he has been responsible for keeping my family safe and secure. No, his administration has not been particularly good for my family's finances, quite honestly, we did better under Clinton for a time, but his particular policies also were taking a serious toll on the small business we had then towards the end of his final term.

I do not like what a Republican congress did, but I even more dislike what the Dems have done in the past 2 years and I fear what they will do with a solid majority and the White House. Blame goes to both parties for the meltdown of the mortgage and financial markets, but a bigger portion of it goes to the Democrats. With their insistence that homeownership is a 'right', and demands that people who could not remotely qualify for a loan be given one anyway, has contributed greatly to it. It goes back to Carter (who has to be one of the worst presidents in history..I didn't think it possible to be a worse former president than president, but he has proved me wrong).

So, I cannot vote for Obama. I am looking down the road at my children and grandchildren's future...and for my country's.

This is pretty much my last post in this forum. If he wins, I will be sad for my nation and it's future. It is already not the same country that I grew up in, many ways it is improved, but in many ways political correctness has ruined much of what made us great.
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I'm sorry that you won't be back. Many people had questions about other posts you made and would love to have them answered.
I understand how passionately people feel about Obama being president. And many of you know that I have some serious reservations about the man (to say the least).

And if he were white, I would have the same reservations...so this is not a racist/bigot thing no matter what anyone thinks. i also understand that there are some people here that are not going to believe it. Fine, that's their choice. I think that if he were white, he wouldn't be the Democrat presidential nominee. I think that he gave a great speech in 2004 at the DNC. The Dems became so very enamored with him that they started backing him before they did any investigating. How many politicians, black or white, were in national office six months before they began running for the presidency. Sheer arrogance to think that you are fit for it. Being a state legislator does not prepare you for the presidency, I don't care who you are. And since they had so much riding on it, they could not back down and push Hillary w/o being accused of being racists/bigots. And I think what they did to Hillary was disgraceful. I think they forget the Clintons have long memories and they carry grudges.

I am not crazy about either of my voting choices, but McCain is the lesser of two evils. I hate to put it that way and I am unbelievably sad that my country has come to this. We have allowed our politicians to turn a 'service' into a career. Reading the Federalist papers, Constitution and papers, etc., it is pretty clear that was the plan. I get the impression that they didn't put terms limits in there as they just didn't think anyone would want to do it for a lifetime. And it was not until the 20th century that politicians apparently decided that it was an easy job. They grew to like the power. I think many of them have decided that they like their 'influence', the power, having people kowtow to them, etc. And who wouldn't? but we have allowed them to set up such cushy lives 'serving' us, that it has become means to a great pension, outstanding health care that many of us will never see (I used to have similar care), people fawning and sucking up...

That said, I see few of our politicians actually working for us, particularly the ones who are in the news all the time. Many of them are hardworking for their constituents...but too many of them have been in there for too long.

That said, I could not in good conscience vote for Obama. There are too many unanswered questions, questions that are 'off limits". He is a very charismatic, personable and is a good speaker. Those in and of themselves are not good reasons to elect him.

He has refused to answer or deflect many questions. He has not released any papers he has written (BTW, after being elected to position of head of Harvard Law Review, he never wrote an article for them). He has denied, then obfuscated past associations. He chose his church membership based upon their stated agenda of 'blackness'. I find his association with Rev. Wright distasteful, and his statements about Wright disengenuous. I left a church that my family belonged to after about 3 years as I did not agree with what the pastor was preaching. It was a very severe theological disconnect between us. I did try to resolve it and never received any sort of answer. If I could do it at 18, then I find it difficult to believe an adult man who continues to associate with someone who espouses what Wright does couldn't unless he actually believed what was being said in the pulpit. I was not the only one who left that particular church because of that preacher. I was just one of the youngest adults who made the decision.

Anthony Rezko and Ayers are other associates that I question. Rezko has been indicted and, in spite of what Obama says, he did have an association with Ayers that began in the 90s and continued for a long time. If you investigate Ayers' background, his writings, associations and statements, you find him very questionable and just not a very nice person.

Like it or not, we are judged on our friends and associates. We are judged by our past actions.

This might be a small, petty point, but after agreeing to take public funding for his campaign, Obama changed his mind...broken promise. Like it or not, his campaign has gone on the attack personally against many people. Joe the Plumber is the latest one, and there is a question now that government computers was used to illegally access his background. Doesn't anyone find that disturbing?

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...e.html?sid=101

When Palin was named VP candidate, his campaign sent dozens of lawyers to Alaska to dig up dirt. He has denied association, etc with ACORN, but records show that hundreds of thousands of dollars were paid by his campaign to the group. Paid public offices in MO formed a task force to investigate/prosecute anyone that they decided was telling untruths...or anything that they didn't like. Police state anyone?

An unending group of people are constantly bringing up Todd Palin's membership in the Alaskan independence party (or whatever the name is), but no one except alternative media is bringing up Obama's membership and association with the Chicago New Party...a socialist party. Why is this not questionable also?

http://www.chicagodsa.org/index.html


I am not saying that McCain is perfect, far from it. I think he has been too conciliatory on some things. I think he has made too much of an effort to be all inclusive and too work with everyone. Let's face it, it is impossible to work with everyone all the time...we all try it at work, school, etc and we're all different, so it's just not gonna happen.

I don't think Obama is the devil incarnate, nor do I think he is the Messiah, the 'ones we have been waiting for'. Most people I know are not waiting for anyone. They are working hard to support their families and live their lives.They do not want a handout, they want to work and make their own American Dream. Obama has made his, but why is he so determined to keep me from mine?

I voted for Bush and I will admit it. I will also say that I am very unhappy with some decisions that he has made, particularly recently. I don't like his stands on certain things and I do think he has made mistakes. That said, I do think he has been responsible for keeping my family safe and secure. No, his administration has not been particularly good for my family's finances, quite honestly, we did better under Clinton for a time, but his particular policies also were taking a serious toll on the small business we had then towards the end of his final term.

I do not like what a Republican congress did, but I even more dislike what the Dems have done in the past 2 years and I fear what they will do with a solid majority and the White House. Blame goes to both parties for the meltdown of the mortgage and financial markets, but a bigger portion of it goes to the Democrats. With their insistence that homeownership is a 'right', and demands that people who could not remotely qualify for a loan be given one anyway, has contributed greatly to it. It goes back to Carter (who has to be one of the worst presidents in history..I didn't think it possible to be a worse former president than president, but he has proved me wrong).

So, I cannot vote for Obama. I am looking down the road at my children and grandchildren's future...and for my country's.

This is pretty much my last post in this forum. If he wins, I will be sad for my nation and it's future. It is already not the same country that I grew up in, many ways it is improved, but in many ways political correctness has ruined much of what made us great.
Originally Posted by susancnw

Sniff....how touching...

Rush Limbaugh would be so proud to know how well he's washed your brain...
At least you didn't waste our time with a long self serving good-bye or anything.
At least you didn't waste our time with a long self serving good-bye or anything.
Originally Posted by chlicurl

SNORT...hello long goodbyes.

Ten bucks says she's not actually "done".
At least you didn't waste our time with a long self serving good-bye or anything.
Originally Posted by chlicurl
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but in many ways political correctness has ruined much of what made us great.
Originally Posted by susancnw
There is a certain type of person that says this kind of thing (IMO) I wonder waht is is, hmmm. Let me see...


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Bye and your are so very wrong about Obama. How you vote for a man who has called his a c**t, left his first wife for the this airhead beauty queen because she was rich, associated with G. Gordon Liddy of the watergate scandal,was apart of the Keating 5,Ask for Hagge's endorsement and then picked this backwards airheaded woman for the second highest office in this country is beyond me,However I voting my grandson and every child in this great land to have a future and they won't have it with McCain. See Ya. Oh and by the way Sunday is the segregated day in the world. I don't go to church with white folks neither doesn't make me a racist.
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Bye and your are so very wrong about Obama. How you vote for a man who has called his a c**t, left his first wife for the this airhead beauty queen because she was rich, associated with G. Gordon Liddy of the watergate scandal,was apart of the Keating 5,Ask for Hagge's endorsement and then picked this backwards airheaded woman for the second highest office in this country is beyond me,However I voting my grandson and every child in this great land to have a future and they won't have it with McCain. See Ya. Oh and by the way Sunday is the segregated day in the world. I don't go to church with white folks neither doesn't make me a racist.
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I was watching a documentary about his life (McCain's) and how he left his first wife after she waited for him all of that time to be with said beauty queen. I'm going to post a thread about it, I think.
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Hey, it's fine if people want to vote for McCain. If it wasn't for Palin, I would probably have considered (CONSIDERED) voting for him, but now there is no way.

I am not voting for Obama because he's black. He is not the Dems choice because he is black. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Should all presidents be white men forever on out? If Hilary won, would people say that the only reason she won is because she's a woman?

I understand how disappointed you feel, I do, and I am not being snarky, but I was never, ever in favor of the war in Iraq, and I felt just as disappointed when Bush won again in 2004, as I am sure a lot of people did.

So the Republicans had 8 years of their guy, their choice. The Dems might get their pick this time. It goes back and forth.

But no matter who wins, I don't think that either candidate will be in for 2 terms.

I don't think that the US is going down a dark path if McCain is pres (oh man but Palin???? aakkkkkk!!!!!) nor do I think that people who are voting for McCain are making a bad choice. It's their choice. People are different and have different politics. I think you have a skewed view of people who don't share your view of the world. We're really not that bad. We're not unpatriotic, lazy, or looking for a handout.
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I don't think obama is here because of political correctness. Some people actually voted for him in the primaries. All types of people. Myself included.

And the garbage that the GOP is spewing this election cycle will assure that they will not get my vote for a long, long time.
Hey, it's fine if people want to vote for McCain. If it wasn't for Palin, I would probably have considered (CONSIDERED) voting for him, but now there is no way.

I am not voting for Obama because he's black. He is not the Dems choice because he is black. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Should all presidents be white men forever on out? If Hilary won, would people say that the only reason she won is because she's a woman?
Originally Posted by Tilly

I am in agreement with this. Unfortunately, there is what seems to be an overwhelming majority of women voters in the US who are only interested in seeing a woman in the White House...even if she's not highly-qualified, inarticulate, corrupt, etc.

I refused to read beyond the OP's initial few sentences because of the extremist slant of her past posts. I'm usually fairly conservative on most issues, but posts like the original post and the OP's past posts make me feel ashamed of the republican party (and I'm independent...albeit a very conservative independent).

I don't want people to think if you're conservative that you must be an extremist, a propagandist, or unrealistic/dishonest. And I'm not voting for anyone because of their gender or their melanin count.

I was talking to a banker a few years ago at work and he said that people would only vote for a particulate NY candidate (won't mention his name here) because of his skin color. He also stated that said candidate would only represent the interests of people with similar skin color (that sounds so stupid, I'm embarrassed to even write it.).

I asked this person, "so I should assume that any "white" candidate running will only be elected because of his skin color, right?...and I should assume that said "white" candidate will only represent the interests of people who are "white", right?"

He then said he saw how stupid what he said sounded.

You can't argue with logic.
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I don't think obama is here because of political correctness. Some people actually voted for him in the primaries. All types of people. Myself included.

And the garbage that the GOP is spewing this election cycle will assure that they will not get my vote for a long, long time.
Originally Posted by CurlyGina2
That's the sad thing, too. If the GOP would just calm the heck down, start talking about the ISSUES and not making up stories about their opponents, and if they'd stop letting extremists take over their party, they'd actually attract more people to their party.

With these extremists that they have representing them, they make their party look like the political pariah of our country.

I think they don't realize how they're doing themselves a great disservice.
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Sniff....how touching...

Rush Limbaugh would be so proud to know how well he's washed your brain...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
People who say stuff like this are the ones who are brainwashed. Where does Limbaugh come into ANY of what Susan said?

Susan, yours was one of the most honest posts in this entire forum and I absolutley agree with you on many of your points. Unfortunately, no matter how rational and well throught out your own opinions are, others will dismiss them for no good reason. Thank you for writing this.
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Sniff....how touching...

Rush Limbaugh would be so proud to know how well he's washed your brain...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
People who say stuff like this are the ones who are brainwashed. Where does Limbaugh come into ANY of what Susan said?

Susan, yours was one of the most honest posts in this entire forum and I absolutley agree with you on many of your points. Unfortunately, no matter how rational and well throught out your own opinions are, others will dismiss them for no good reason. Thank you for writing this.
Originally Posted by NYCurlyGirly
Because most of what she writes here reeks of Limbaugh-esque propaganda - unproven, misconstrued, unvetted dishonest rhetoric.

O'Reilly would also fall in this category. As would most of Fox.
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Spoken like someone who's never watched O'Reilly or Fox. I could say that all the pro-Obama posts are just MSNBC rhetoric parroted by Keith Olbermann and the like. I just think it's wrong to dismiss a differring opinion by saying it sounds like Limbaugh or O'Reilly or whoever when Susans post was calm, rational, and not inflamatory or confontational.
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Spoken like someone who's never watched O'Reilly or Fox. I could say that all the pro-Obama posts are just MSNBC rhetoric parroted by Keith Olbermann and the like. I just think it's wrong to dismiss a differring opinion by saying it sounds like Limbaugh or O'Reilly or whoever when Susans post was calm, rational, and not inflamatory or confontational.
Originally Posted by NYCurlyGirly

It's not wrong to dismiss a differing opinion and if you read the posts here from the original poster, RedCat, and others here, you would see that they did not argue a differing opinion.

What they argued was INCORRECT, MANIPULATIVE PROPAGANDA. I put that in caps because that's key here and it's clear that you either did not read the past posts leading up to this, or you simply aren't concerned.

I'm a veteran and a conservative, but I don't appreciate anyone or any posts that make conservatives look like some sort of extremist caricature. I also don't appreciate when ANY party tries to seal my vote by using fear tactics, progaganda, and basic untruths.

THAT is what people here have had a problem with and if you read past posts here, you'll see that. If you don't see it, I assume you simply don't care.

Frankly, the law student, veteran, and conservative in me finds fear tactics/propaganda/untruths insulting. Give me facts.
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Spoken like someone who's never watched O'Reilly or Fox. I could say that all the pro-Obama posts are just MSNBC rhetoric parroted by Keith Olbermann and the like. I just think it's wrong to dismiss a differring opinion by saying it sounds like Limbaugh or O'Reilly or whoever when Susans post was calm, rational, and not inflamatory or confontational.
Originally Posted by NYCurlyGirly

Btw, I didn't address the O'Reilly/Fox comment for a reason. I trust that most intelligent people don't watch either, unless it's to make a mockery of extremists or to know what they're up to.

Unless of course they are extremists themselves.
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Sniff....how touching...

Rush Limbaugh would be so proud to know how well he's washed your brain...
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
People who say stuff like this are the ones who are brainwashed. Where does Limbaugh come into ANY of what Susan said?

Susan, yours was one of the most honest posts in this entire forum and I absolutley agree with you on many of your points. Unfortunately, no matter how rational and well throught out your own opinions are, others will dismiss them for no good reason. Thank you for writing this.
Originally Posted by NYCurlyGirly


Honest, rational, well thought out post? Please. All she did was repeat the same thing every media outlet has been saying for the past few months.

susan is disappointed that voters are going to choose a man who is intelligent, confident, and gives fantastic speeches. Heavens no! That CAN'T mean he's actually a qualified person!

susan is offended because Obama's family may have attended a predominantly black church. Yet I watched the GOP Rally, and the only minority group in the entire building were the Asian waiters.

I haven't heard a single thing here that has sounded interesting, intelligent, or something I haven't already heard, and threw things at my t.v for broadcasting to me.
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