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SarcasmIsBeauty 10-27-2008 05:15 PM

Obama assasination plot
 
A plot to assassinate Obama has been disrupted! Am I the least bit surprised that some nut jobs want to kill Obama? NO but it does make me sad:sad11:
Can we ever move beyond color? We are ONE RACE, the HUMAN RACE people need to get over themselves and see one another for what we are and that is HUMAN BEINGS

Here is the article

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WASHINGTON Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives said Monday.
In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.
Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 people, including 14 African-Americans by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
The men also sought to go on a national killing spree after the Tennessee murders, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.
"They said that would be their last, final act that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."
An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.
The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.
The two men were arrested Oct. 22 by the Crockett County, Tenn., Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.
Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned.
No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately.
Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.
The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said.
The court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people.
For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows."
"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."
Cavanaugh said there's no evidence so far that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.
He said authorities took the threats very seriously.
"They seemed determined to do it," Cavanaugh said. "Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."
The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy.
The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8"s or "H"s stand for "Heil Hitler."
Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman.
However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

MimsTX 10-27-2008 05:18 PM

unfortunately, I'm not the least bit surprised either :( But I desperately wish this is something that people would be shocked over.

Instead, everyone will just be saying how it was only a matter of time, and what happens next time if the Feds don't catch it in time...

:(

When will people learn to let it go?

SarcasmIsBeauty 10-27-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MimsTX (Post 768519)
unfortunately, I'm not the least bit surprised either :( But I desperately wish this is something that people would be shocked over.

Instead, everyone will just be saying how it was only a matter of time, and what happens next time if the Feds don't catch it in time...

:(

When will people learn to let it go?

I don't know how someone would be shocked over this quite frankly, we all know racism hasn't gone away. We know that there still is a great hatred for African Americans/minorities by some whites and that some of them are willing to kill because of it.

As I've said on this board before I believe we are tightly enveloped in mental slavery and until we break the chains we will still be seeing things like this and racism/acts of hatred & violence will continue, and it will get worse.

CottonCandyCurls 10-27-2008 05:49 PM

I remember people being so worried about this during the primaries. I'm still surprised at the plot because I didn't think the public would hear anything about such things. What makes this so disturbing to me is they wanted to kill him and then go on a killing spree on everyone else. God help us.

CurlyGina2 10-27-2008 06:00 PM

I have a special hatred for white supremacists.

Hopefully, they will be too stupid to pull anything off.

I am happy when I think about Obama being elected:toothy10:

But sad when I think he could very possibly be assasinated :sad11::sad11:

SarcasmIsBeauty 10-27-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls (Post 768562)
I remember people being so worried about this during the primaries. I'm still surprised at the plot because I didn't think the public would hear anything about such things. What makes this so disturbing to me is they wanted to kill him and then go on a killing spree on everyone else. God help us.

Crazy isn't it? It's also disturbing on how young they were, to me this shows that their family/environment programmed them to hate African Americans (and anyone who isn't "white"). I know there are many more people like them out there, waiting for their chance as well. Why, just why that is all I want to know. Why must this vile hatred be passed down, people need to stop the madness.

It's disheartening to see these things still going on and with no signs of changing. I wonder if 100-200 years from now things will still be the same with regards to racism and other issues plaguing humans. Can we learn and move on? Or will we just continue to live in the twilight zone? :sad11:

RedCatWaves 10-27-2008 06:22 PM

It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

amy51373 10-27-2008 06:36 PM

I think this is one of the reasons the VP candidates are being looked at so closely this election as well. I've heard more than one person talk about a fear of Obama being assassinated while in office.

yagottaloveyacurls 10-27-2008 06:52 PM

Not much more to say that hasn't already been said...

:angry7:

amerasiancurls 10-27-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

I was so hopeful that either her or McCain would put aside the campaign and address the issue, but no luck. I realize election day is drawing near, but damn! C'mon, the man's life was threatened and that's serious. I'm not holding my breath about either of them addressing it, but just when I thought he or she could show their human side.....sad. Another reason to cement my decision in voting Obama/Biden.

yagottaloveyacurls 10-27-2008 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by amerasiancurls (Post 768997)
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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

I was so hopeful that either her or McCain would put aside the campaign and address the issue, but no luck. I realize election day is drawing near, but damn! C'mon, the man's life was threatened and that's serious. I'm not holding my breath about either of them addressing it, but just when I thought he or she could show their human side.....sad. Another reason to cement my decision in voting Obama/Biden.

I agree. The silence from the McCain/Palin camp is deafening.

yagottaloveyacurls 10-27-2008 11:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKvPS_FaRF8

Obama's reaction.

SarcasmIsBeauty 10-27-2008 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yagottaloveyacurls (Post 769056)

Although he tried to be positive in his response to the reporter, you could see the worry in his face. I think is scared for his life and his family's life as he should be.

I honestly hope nothing happens to Obama. As for McCain & Palin, it just goes to show that they are only interested in themselves and don't show any concern at all.

eche428 10-27-2008 11:24 PM

This is just so freakin' HORRIBLE. Sometimes I just can't fathom the world we live in. I wonder if we as a species will ever evolve beyond this need to put another person or groups of people below us, to hate and to kill. This just makes me sad to my core.

CottonCandyCurls 10-27-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

Are you serious? Is that even remotely fair to say? These were two white supremacists who would have acted like this regardless of who Obama was running against. This is not his first assassination plot either. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

FieryCurls 10-28-2008 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls (Post 769080)
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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

Are you serious? Is that even remotely fair to say? These were two white supremacists who would have acted like this regardless of who Obama was running against. This is not his first assassination plot either. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

The crazies really don't need any help getting stirred up.

BB 10-28-2008 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls (Post 769080)
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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

Are you serious? Is that even remotely fair to say? These were two white supremacists who would have acted like this regardless of who Obama was running against. This is not his first assassination plot either. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

Look, when that crazy ass woman carved a backwards B on her face and said an African-American Obama supporter did it, McCain/Palin found time to call her and jump all over the story even before the police confirmed her story. Come to think of it, even Obama called and commented on it. Why can't they acknowledge at least what happened to him?

eche428 10-28-2008 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BB (Post 769128)
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Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls (Post 769080)
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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

Are you serious? Is that even remotely fair to say? These were two white supremacists who would have acted like this regardless of who Obama was running against. This is not his first assassination plot either. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

Look, when that crazy ass woman carved a backwards B on her face and said an African-American Obama supporter did it, McCain/Palin found time to call her and jump all over the story even before the police confirmed her story. Come to think of it, even Obama called and commented on it. Why can't they acknowledge at least what happened to him?

I agree 100%. But they are who they are and that is NOT going to happen. :sad11:

ScrappyTam 10-28-2008 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CottonCandyCurls (Post 769080)
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Originally Posted by RedCatWaves (Post 768614)
It was bound to happen.

And, still, Palin was out on the stump again today, stirring up hatred, using her racist "code" words, and the crowd was in it's usual hate frenzy shouting hate, which she didn't try to calm down. I think she gets a special thrill out of stirring up hatred.

Are you serious? Is that even remotely fair to say? These were two white supremacists who would have acted like this regardless of who Obama was running against. This is not his first assassination plot either. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

Yes, it is extremely fair to say. When you have someone who is as white as the snow she lives in, gets up in front of a crowd who is just as white, shouting things like "He's not like us", "He pals around with terrorists" and then does NOTHING when the crowd starts shouting "Kill Him"...then he!! yes, its fair. What's worse about this situation is that there was a plot to kill 102 MORE BLACK people. 102 more, and there is NO mention of how wrong that is?

And like BB said, the McCain & Palin were all about calling and "comforting" the "poor white woman attacked by the big scary black man"....but have NOTHING to say when it is the other way around and on a MUCH larger scale. Without speaking about it, it is almost like they condone it.(Kinda like when Bush "condoned" the actions of those attacking the Dixie Chicks several years ago)

medussa 10-28-2008 07:04 AM

I feel sick to my stomach. :cry:


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