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Old 11-01-2008, 12:23 AM   #1
 
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Default For those who think Palin's faith shouldn't be an issue...

There's a new 32-page report (slightly shorter summation here) examining her beliefs and her associations with Rev. Muthee and Mary Glazier, of the Spiritual Warfare Network. Can anyone who truly thinks she's capable of separating her beliefs from her job really tell me why you do, after reading this? Because as someone who not only firmly believes in separation of church and state for just these reasons but also is not a Christian, this confirms every horrified fear I've had about her and her crazy. And that crazy is not going to just magically go away if she tries to run again in four years...
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That's bat-5hit scary!
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Yup, scary sh1t. I think that's why she'll never be a top national-level politician. She's just too much of a religious whack job. The Obama campaign hasn't pointed much of this stuff out and has pretty much left Palin alone, because they've preferred to keep the focus on McCain, but any other candidate will rake her over the coals on this stuff.
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I'm voting for Barr, despite knowing he obviously has no chance, because I don't like either of the choices.

I don't think it is fair that we (general we) have a problem with Palin's beliefs, but none at all with Obama's. What is "off limits" for one candidate should be for another too.

(NO, I'm not talking about the "Muslim" nonsense, before anyone says that. I'm talking about his church, ya know the one he went to for 20 years. I know he has now said that he didn't know how Rev. Wright felt and has "denounced" his words, so s'okay now. I keep forgetting that it is fine for him to do and say totally opposite things and we trust what he says.)

For the first time in my (admittedly short) lifetime, I am amazed at how many people ignore what a politican has done in favor of listneing to what he says he will do. This goes for BOTH sides, but I have seen more of it from Obama's side.

Yes, the stuff in that report is insane. Personally, I think most religions' of the world hold some pretty crazy beliefs, which is why I'm not into the whole organized religion thing at all. I also look at this and think about what would happen or does happen when someone posts something even remotely similiar about Obama here and it is written off IMMEDIATELY as "right wing propaganda" and "biased" and the person posting such information is told to choose what they read more carefully, or stop drinking the Rush kool-aid. I think that's unfair.

If all of the things posted in the link are true, yes I have a problem with it. And if all the things posted in links about Obama are true, then I have a problem with those things too - from his friends to his beliefs. But it's unfair to act as though everything bad toward the GOP is gospel - no pun intended, while everything bad toward the Dems is propaganda.

I just want Wednesday to be here.
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I did my part yesterday after waiting in line for 1 - 2 hours & now all I can do is hurry up & wait. I keep finding myself holding my breath & having big sighs, chewing the inside of my mouth & dealing with a little dizziness/imbalance. That's how much anxiety I have over this election.
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Rheanna - I think that Obama's religious affliations are totally fair game. And I think that they have been brought out into the open over the course of the last year. The reason IMO that they haven't been a big part of McCain's campaign is that all of this had already come out during the primaries and it didn't seem to sway voters at that time. Its just not a winning strategy. But correct me if I'm wrong, are there not Obama-Wright commercials being played in battleground states?

Personally, I think that Wright's famous line that has been played ad nauseum on CNN was part of a longer speech that made sense. There is a cultural context to his sermons that I think needs to go hand in hand with his words.
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Personally, I think that Wright's famous line that has been played ad nauseum on CNN was part of a longer speech that made sense. There is a cultural context to his sermons that I think needs to go hand in hand with his words.
I agree 100%. When I heard the whole sermon, I honestly couldn't disagree with Rev Wright. But maybe that is just because I believe with our current foreign policy, the US is one of the worlds worst terrorist nations.
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I also agreed with Reverend Wright. He was basically saying the US would be hypocritical to think of itself purely as "the good guys" when it is much more complicated than that. I love this country but I can't forget how our history began - with foreigners (us) invading the Native Americans' land and - between smallpox and outright slaughter - killing 90% of them.

Now, somehow, people confuse patriotism with xenophobia and think that you can't have one without the other. I never could understand how or why.

I first started thinking about this hypocrisy in 4th grade, so I just wonder why it hasn't come up sooner.

I read Reverent Wright's entire speech and I couldn't find any of it that seemed "radical" or "unpatriotic" to me ... it just made sense, like talking about the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

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If I wanted to live in this type of environment.. I'd make an effort to move to Iran. What's next? Dress codes for going outside? Have to have a male escort? I'll have to pray before starting work?

No!!!!!!

Please don't take away my personal freedoms.

I'm moving to the UK if McCain wins the election.

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Rheanna - I think that Obama's religious affliations are totally fair game. And I think that they have been brought out into the open over the course of the last year. The reason IMO that they haven't been a big part of McCain's campaign is that all of this had already come out during the primaries and it didn't seem to sway voters at that time. Its just not a winning strategy. But correct me if I'm wrong, are there not Obama-Wright commercials being played in battleground states?

Personally, I think that Wright's famous line that has been played ad nauseum on CNN was part of a longer speech that made sense. There is a cultural context to his sermons that I think needs to go hand in hand with his words.
It's not just what Wright says but the whole pseudo Christian Marxist based Black Liberation Theology that permeates the church. Does your church bulletin have Hamas manifestos in it? Because mine usually has something about prayer meetings and choir rehearsal.
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Rheanna - I think that Obama's religious affliations are totally fair game. And I think that they have been brought out into the open over the course of the last year. The reason IMO that they haven't been a big part of McCain's campaign is that all of this had already come out during the primaries and it didn't seem to sway voters at that time. Its just not a winning strategy. But correct me if I'm wrong, are there not Obama-Wright commercials being played in battleground states?

Personally, I think that Wright's famous line that has been played ad nauseum on CNN was part of a longer speech that made sense. There is a cultural context to his sermons that I think needs to go hand in hand with his words.
It's not just what Wright says but the whole pseudo Christian Marxist based Black Liberation Theology that permeates the church. Does your church bulletin have Hamas manifestos in it? Because mine usually has something about prayer meetings and choir rehearsal.
Don't forget the financial committee meetings and thanks for the pulpit decorations
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