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Old 03-06-2009, 03:44 PM   #21
 
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Why do you hate the military?
I'm guessing that we're not going to get an answer on that one. One the cop hating either.
You're right.

Isn't America great?

And that's all I gotta say on that
I was seriously wondering why you hate the military.
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I can't answer for why Vagabond hates the military.

But, as a military person, I can state a reason or two why people have judged me/my job for that.

When some find out I'm in the military, it is often assumed that I'm a right-wing wing-nut head case who secretly wants American Imperialism to become reality, that we all want to go out and kill every Muslim or foreigner or take over every country that happens to be in a geopolitical area of interest.

Sometimes it's amusing because I'm a liberal who used to be married to a Muslim and who was against the Iraq War, but for Afghanistan.

Oh, and I've also heard "baby killer" which is an old holdover from the Vietnam era.
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I can't answer for why Vagabond hates the military.

But, as a military person, I can state a reason or two why people have judged me/my job for that.

When some find out I'm in the military, it is often assumed that I'm a right-wing wing-nut head case who secretly wants American Imperialism to become reality, that we all want to go out and kill every Muslim or foreigner or take over every country that happens to be in a geopolitical area of interest.

Sometimes it's amusing because I'm a liberal who used to be married to a Muslim and who was against the Iraq War, but for Afghanistan.

Oh, and I've also heard "baby killer" which is an old holdover from the Vietnam era.
My husband is in the Army, so I have heard those things too. I would just like to know why Vagabond hates the military.

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I can't answer for why Vagabond hates the military.

But, as a military person, I can state a reason or two why people have judged me/my job for that.

When some find out I'm in the military, it is often assumed that I'm a right-wing wing-nut head case who secretly wants American Imperialism to become reality, that we all want to go out and kill every Muslim or foreigner or take over every country that happens to be in a geopolitical area of interest.

Sometimes it's amusing because I'm a liberal who used to be married to a Muslim and who was against the Iraq War, but for Afghanistan.

Oh, and I've also heard "baby killer" which is an old holdover from the Vietnam era.
My husband is in the Army, so I have heard those things too. I would just like to know why Vangabond hates the military.
My bad, I knew that and didn't think about that when I posted.
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I can't answer for why Vagabond hates the military.

But, as a military person, I can state a reason or two why people have judged me/my job for that.

When some find out I'm in the military, it is often assumed that I'm a right-wing wing-nut head case who secretly wants American Imperialism to become reality, that we all want to go out and kill every Muslim or foreigner or take over every country that happens to be in a geopolitical area of interest.

Sometimes it's amusing because I'm a liberal who used to be married to a Muslim and who was against the Iraq War, but for Afghanistan.

Oh, and I've also heard "baby killer" which is an old holdover from the Vietnam era.
My husband is in the Army, so I have heard those things too. I would just like to know why Vangabond hates the military.
My bad, I knew that and didn't think about that when I posted.
No problem.
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I hate the military but without them I don't think I would be able to have the freedom to say I hate the military.
Why do you hate the military?
I'm guessing that we're not going to get an answer on that one. One the cop hating either. I say right now that I'm glad that I'm not a LEO in her area.
Susan - some people just don't answer questions. If it's a hard question or one that provokes thought, they just don't answer. Frustrating isn't it?
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Why do you hate the military?
I'm guessing that we're not going to get an answer on that one. One the cop hating either. I say right now that I'm glad that I'm not a LEO in her area.
Susan - some people just don't answer questions. If it's a hard question or one that provokes thought, they just don't answer. Frustrating isn't it?
Oh my friggin gawd!

Usually when I say 'and that's all I gotta say about that' in a thread that means I'm finished reading it and I'm done typing in it because I done pissed somebody off and I'm not going to continue to engage. Since I left my comments simple and haven't pissed anybody off (yet) I have continued to read this thread.

The only reason why you want my answer is because you're either in the military or have a spouse/relative in the military or you're a police officer or have a relative/spouse that's a police officer. But this thread is about things that is good about America, so you casually gloss over the fact that I wrote two good things about both the police and the military (that you are the first ones I would call when there is a major problem and that you fight for our rights and freedom respectively) to engage me in a debate (soon to be argument) about why I 'hate' the police and the military? Why? What's the point? You can accept from someone else that they may not like (indeed 'hate') the police or the military but that's hard to accept from me? Why?

I am not interested in being called 'racist' or hearing defenses like 'well you don't know what police officers and military personnel have to go through and how dangerous it is for them' when I mention about police brutality, racial profiling and racial harassment. On the contrary, I do know and have discussed at length what police and military face on a daily basis. That doesn't undermine the problems and issues that both perpectuate to specific parts of the population and the population in general.

Yes I'm black. I have black children including a black son. I have a black husband, a black mother and black father, black uncles and black aunts. If you want to see and understand the relationship between blacks and the police - google it. I'm sure there will be a lot to tickle your fancy and I'm sure you'll get a lot about the NYPD and the LAPD but it's a national thing.

The military. I'll throw a couple of words at you and you can make what you want with that -
military history
current racism
current sexism
lies
deceit
war
oil
front line
recruiting tactics
a local news story about Pfc Lavena Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr1iOxS2T7w
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/...avena_johnson/
her dad was my job search training instructor. He was a military veteran himself so he's very familiar with the military and their tactics.

Asking me why I don't like the police or the military is like asking an Arab with a turban and a Muslim name why he doesn't like airport security.
Should be obvious, but I'm guessing you're white and the truth often eludes you (on purpose I'm guessing).

I've been baited. You got an answer. Hope you're happy.

And that's all I REALLY gotta say about that.
Couldn't leave well enough alone.
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A lot of people are open about not liking the police. Its pretty damn taboo to not like the military, though. Or to say it, rather.
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Yes, I'm continuing the guano, but it is an interesting sub-topic.....

I'll have to agree with you on the recruiting tactics, actually.

To be honest, it doesn't really bother me if someone hates the military. The US is huge, and I can't expect everyone to agree with that part of my life. At least it's more rational than someone not liking me beacause I have a big butt or curly hair or something along those lines.

I guess I'll add that to another positive thing about the US - you can hate my job, but I can still do it.
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Vagabond, you really come off as quite angry in almost all of your posts. I am white and I am married to a soldier. I was not baiting you or looking for an arguement. I asked simply because you said something that sparked my interest as a military spouse and I wanted to know. The military has it's problems. I definitely agree with that. Like RCC, I cannot stand the recruiting tactics. My husband's recruiter lied to us about so many things that I couldn't in good conscience ever agree to him being a recruiter.

I just realized that I mispelled your name in one of my posts, so I will go change that.
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I can read Vagabond's rants. Ditto on the cheeseburgers.
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That's not a socialist country!
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While celebrating out country's birthday, another good thing about the U.S. is that we are the one of the most charitable nations. And I hope we can continue to be so.
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haha, most cops are prior military. i understand where vagabond is coming from. i dont hate cops and i dont hate the military. hate is a strong word. to me: hate= kill. the military does a lot of stupid, idiotic things. some cops but not ALL (maybe slightly less than most) are very judgemental. they are very condescending and rude. they also feel like they can talk down to you because they wear a badge. its funny to see the videos on t.v. of cops being way to physical and over react towards a civilian and then when they are questioned about it, their boss comes out with a statment saying:
"they handled everything right." that really gets under my skin. like the video of the hispanic lady who was body slammed on the hard concrete because she didn't wanted to be arrested. she wasn't running away. she just wanted to explain herself more and question the cop. then the news posted pictures of her face with black and purple bruises. Geez! oh, not to mention the two troopers who wrestled with the paramedic who cut them off on the highway. the woman he picked up was inside the ambulance SCREAMING waiting to get to a hospital while the idiots wanted to prove who had the right of way. Seriously!
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the one good thing about the united states is freedom of choice.
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That's not a socialist country!
But this country being run over by capitalistic major corporations, the board of directors, and oil companies is just sooo much better, right? *rolls eyes*

ANYWAY - one good thing about the U.S is that we have the freedom of being religious or non-religious - and I choose the latter.
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