Anyone watch the president's address to congress tonight?

It was rude and I'm glad that his likely opponent received some donations as a result of this jerk's behavior.


Trenell, we were talking about that at work. Can you imagine that conversation? How many times do you think Rahm called him MF?

I could picture Obama in the room trying not to laugh.
I'm lost here. Does he have a history of calling people MFs?
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I have to say Joe Wilson's outburst was not only disrespectful but a symptom of greater peril. Are we taking ourselves back to the days when congressmen (yes, men cause there werent any women in there) were dueling and beating people with walking sticks on the floor?

I think the major issue with Obama's handling of this is he's trying way too hard to be bipartisan. Seriously.....8 years of Bush and Republicans really weren't giving 2 ****s about making sure everyone had a little something they wanted.

In 5, 10, 20, years when baby boomers are all lining up for their medicare and active tax payers are unable to support this ish, people will look back and say "why the hell didn't we make drastic changes when we still could." This is not a case of if it ain't broke don't fix it. The system is broken and falling to pieces. Will someone, anyone take the damn reins and get some fundamental things done?
Originally Posted by curlyarca
It most certainly is a symptom of greater peril.

It is easy to post your thoughts on a website like NC.com that appears in practice to be extremely left leaning. Demographically women, and minorities support leftist causes - and NC.com is an over representation of both demographic. (and before you accuse me of being racist, I am married to a minority and have racially mixed children in racially mixed marriages with racially mixed grandchildren. )

What you may forget is that there is a great uprising of emotion among the right in this nation.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
Originally Posted by Kitschy

Look, trust me. I get it. The right has been running the state of Mississippi since forever and a gd day. I grew up there. Trust me, I know overt hostility when I see it. I also know the covert. And it's hardly Obama's fault for hundreds of years of hostility. You have got to be kidding me. Obama is bringing the wrath of the right down on all of us non-whites, oh ok. Because they can't help their feelings, like Wilson.

Where do/did you live? Obviously not MS in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.... Please. Adults were well in on that bs. And if you do/did, obviously your head was in the sand.

ETA: By the way, before you accuse me of being a reckless non-whte woman....oh wait, too late.

I love how you're saying Obama is bringing hell and brimstone from the right on all of us. Another case of knee jerk reactions being justified by you.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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Last edited by curlyarca; 09-10-2009 at 11:09 AM.

I don't believe anyone did. I said dems were hissing at Bush.
  • TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]
  • JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]
Originally Posted by Kitschy
That is classless and disrespectful, but again it's comparing apples to oranges.

Now if you're going to compare dems booing and disrupting a speech Bush is giving, and repubs holding up packets of papers and waving them, shouting, and one wearing a "what bill" sign to dirupt a speech Obama is giving.....now you're comparing birds of a feather.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
When the entire Democratic or Republican delegation does it, itís OK. When a lone Republican does it, itís not OK.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Did you not see where I said it was classes and disrespectful? You just refuse to compare like to like.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

4a, mbl, low porosity, normal thickness, fine hair.
I have to say Joe Wilson's outburst was not only disrespectful but a symptom of greater peril. Are we taking ourselves back to the days when congressmen (yes, men cause there werent any women in there) were dueling and beating people with walking sticks on the floor?

I think the major issue with Obama's handling of this is he's trying way too hard to be bipartisan. Seriously.....8 years of Bush and Republicans really weren't giving 2 ****s about making sure everyone had a little something they wanted.

In 5, 10, 20, years when baby boomers are all lining up for their medicare and active tax payers are unable to support this ish, people will look back and say "why the hell didn't we make drastic changes when we still could." This is not a case of if it ain't broke don't fix it. The system is broken and falling to pieces. Will someone, anyone take the damn reins and get some fundamental things done?
Originally Posted by curlyarca
It most certainly is a symptom of greater peril.

It is easy to post your thoughts on a website like NC.com that appears in practice to be extremely left leaning. Demographically women, and minorities support leftist causes - and NC.com is an over representation of both demographic. (and before you accuse me of being racist, I am married to a minority and have racially mixed children in racially mixed marriages with racially mixed grandchildren. )

What you may forget is that there is a great uprising of emotion among the right in this nation.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
Originally Posted by Kitschy

Look, trust me. I get it. The right has been running the state of Mississippi since forever and a gd day. I grew up there. Trust me, I know overt hostility when I see it. I also know the covert. And it's hardly Obama's fault for hundreds of years of hostility. You have got to be kidding me. Obama is bringing the wrath of the right down on all of us non-whites, oh ok. Because they can't help their feelings, like Wilson.

Where do/did you live? Obviously not MS in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Please. Adults were well in on that bs.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I don't think this is racially motivated. I already told you that. I think there is a great divide between left and right and it is a fight against the ideals of socialism on the left and capitalism on the right. I'm sorry, but I think people of color are innocent pawns to the powers that be.

And no, I didn't grow up in MS.

I think this hostility we're seeing is racism and a healthy dose cloaked in economic policy conflict.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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I think this hostility we're seeing is racism and a healthy dose cloaked in economic policy conflict.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I'm a righty and I'm white. Every single person in my social circle as well as in my sphere of political influence that I personally know are not motivated by race.

You can chose to believe it or not.

I think this hostility we're seeing is racism and a healthy dose cloaked in economic policy conflict.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I think it is dishonest to use my quote in your signature without including the entire quote, or at least show that it has been edited.

I think this hostility we're seeing is racism and a healthy dose cloaked in economic policy conflict.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I'm a righty and I'm white. Every single person in my social circle as well as in my sphere of political influence that I personally know are not motivated by race.

You can chose to believe it or not.
Originally Posted by Kitschy
Oh, I believe you.

Are you and yours also the ones who are going to be doling out the peril, bringing on the pain? I mean, assuming you and yours represent the pulse of this nation, after all.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

4a, mbl, low porosity, normal thickness, fine hair.
I think this hostility we're seeing is racism and a healthy dose cloaked in economic policy conflict.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I think it is dishonest to use my quote in your signature without including the entire quote, or at least show that it has been edited.
Originally Posted by Kitschy

Oh you mean the "I'm not racist, I married someone who's not white/have mixed kids?" Oh ok. I will definitely leave that in. It does give it that extra something. I was just trying to figure how I could fit this gem in in it's entirety, and I will just eliminate all the dramatic indentations. But I don't think I can put your entire post in my signature. Sorry.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

4a, mbl, low porosity, normal thickness, fine hair.

Last edited by curlyarca; 09-10-2009 at 11:30 AM.
It is motivated by money. Both sides are being pushed.

It was rude and I'm glad that his likely opponent received some donations as a result of this jerk's behavior.


Trenell, we were talking about that at work. Can you imagine that conversation? How many times do you think Rahm called him MF?

I could picture Obama in the room trying not to laugh.
I'm lost here. Does he have a history of calling people MFs?
Originally Posted by YolyC
I was trying to be lighthearted (it was once said that was his favorite word) but I'm sure Rahm acted professionally.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
If you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.

-Mohandas Gandhi
What you may forget is that there is a great uprising of emotion among the right in this nation.
Originally Posted by Kitschy


So what? It's just a temper tantrum. The right has had their foot on the neck of the nation for the past 8 years and now they're pissed to have lost power. I do not care.

The Dems finally have a chance to fix a few things. The Reps have never done one thing to fix healthcare, and they never will, so if the Dems don't fix it now, it'll never get fixed. The righties will just have to suck it up.
It was rude and I'm glad that his likely opponent received some donations as a result of this jerk's behavior.


Trenell, we were talking about that at work. Can you imagine that conversation? How many times do you think Rahm called him MF?

I could picture Obama in the room trying not to laugh.
I'm lost here. Does he have a history of calling people MFs?
Originally Posted by YolyC
I was trying to be lighthearted (it was once said that was his favorite word) but I'm sure Rahm acted professionally.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
If you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.
Originally Posted by BB
You're right. I'm not the pulse of the nation.

You must admit however, that I am the lone voice on this thread in support of the right. That isn't a typical ratio reflecting the political leanings of the US. We seem to be almost equally divided 50/50.

As I said before, NC.com is heavily weighted to the left.


What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.
Originally Posted by BB

Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal. Wouldn't that be a winning ticket! All their other viable candidates have been caught with hookers and/or cheating on their wives.
It was rude and I'm glad that his likely opponent received some donations as a result of this jerk's behavior.


Trenell, we were talking about that at work. Can you imagine that conversation? How many times do you think Rahm called him MF?

I could picture Obama in the room trying not to laugh.
I'm lost here. Does he have a history of calling people MFs?
Originally Posted by YolyC
I was trying to be lighthearted (it was once said that was his favorite word) but I'm sure Rahm acted professionally.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
If you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.
Originally Posted by BB
I think she's referring to violence and assassinations and that ilk. You know, what "real" Americans, the pulse of our nation, resort to when they really mean business.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

4a, mbl, low porosity, normal thickness, fine hair.

I think she's referring to violence and assassinations and that ilk. You know, what "real" Americans, the pulse of our nation, resort to when they really mean business.
Originally Posted by curlyarca


Ugh...I worry about that every time I see Obama walking in the open or appearing before a large crowd. It only takes one crazy **** to end it all...and, unfortunately, there seem to be millions of crazy ****s on the right.
It was rude and I'm glad that his likely opponent received some donations as a result of this jerk's behavior.




I'm lost here. Does he have a history of calling people MFs?
Originally Posted by YolyC
I was trying to be lighthearted (it was once said that was his favorite word) but I'm sure Rahm acted professionally.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
If you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.
Originally Posted by BB
I think she's referring to violence and assassinations and that ilk. You know, what "real" Americans, the pulse of our nation, resort to when they really mean business.
Originally Posted by curlyarca
I wonder if you can refute my ideas instead of attacking me personally. It really helps in debate.

I have never, ever, not once said anything about violence or assassinations or ever called anyone a "real" American.

Every American citizen is a "real" American. Everyone gets a voice. Isn't it great? And I pray daily for our President, especially for his safety.

Oops, did I say pray?

f you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.I think she's referring to violence and assassinations and that ilk. You know, what "real" Americans, the pulse of our nation, resort to when they really mean business.I wonder if you can refute my ideas instead of attacking me personally. It really helps in debate.

I have never, ever, not once said anything about violence or assassinations or ever called anyone a "real" American.

Every American citizen is a "real" American. Everyone gets a voice. Isn't it great? And I pray daily for our President, especially for his safety.

Oops, did I say pray?
You said:

What you may forget is that there is a great uprising of emotion among the right in this nation.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
Boy, you must have been asleep during the 2008 election. Now, I don't see hostility except from some talk show hosts, a fake news station and some yahoos at town hall meetings. Tell us what peril you are referring too if it isn't that?
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.

-Mohandas Gandhi
f you only listen to FOX News and Rush Limbough, you will think everyone agrees with you. YOU are not the pulse of the nation.

What is the peril to come? The wrath of the right? I'm quivering. The Republicans have no viable candidates.I think she's referring to violence and assassinations and that ilk. You know, what "real" Americans, the pulse of our nation, resort to when they really mean business.I wonder if you can refute my ideas instead of attacking me personally. It really helps in debate.

I have never, ever, not once said anything about violence or assassinations or ever called anyone a "real" American.

Every American citizen is a "real" American. Everyone gets a voice. Isn't it great? And I pray daily for our President, especially for his safety.

Oops, did I say pray?
You said:

What you may forget is that there is a great uprising of emotion among the right in this nation.

Obama is stirring the pot. Be prepared for the peril to come. Don't hide your head in the sand and think that because everyone here seems to agree with you, that that is the pulse of the nation.

It is tense.

I am 53 years old. I haven't seen this amount of hostility among the American public ever. Even in the late 60's and 70's there wasn't this level of incivility except among the disenchanted youth.
Boy, you must have been asleep during the 2008 election. Now, I don't see hostility except from some talk show hosts, a fake news station and some yahoos at town hall meetings. Tell us what peril you are referring too if it isn't that?
Originally Posted by BB
If you go back to page one you will see that I only agreed with what was

Originally Posted by curlyarca I have to say Joe Wilson's outburst was not only disrespectful but a symptom of greater peril....


and I respectfully agreed.

I myself did not bring up the issue of peril. I simply agreed with curlyarca.

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