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Old 01-19-2010, 08:59 PM   #1
 
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Interesting to see if it is called a 'referendum' or judgment on Obama and his administration. I think Brown won by about the some margin as Obama won. And with 22% of Dems reporting they voted FOR Brown and not AGAINST Coakley.

How voting should work. I would dearly love to see the Senatorial elections go back to being decided by the state and NOT popular vote...they don't represent the people when they are elected that way...they feel obligated to whichever party they belong to....both sides of the aisle.

Thank you Massachusetts. Now to find someone up there to send me a Scott Brown t-shirt. Wonder what they are going for on ebay..............
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:07 PM   #2
 
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He's a klassy guy. During his acceptance speech, he was trying to pimp out his daughters. Seems like a real ashole.
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Yeah, what was that? I'm at my mom's house and I overheard her watching it. She's a conservative and let me tell you she was NOT amused.
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No referendum.
I got this info from a poster on another site and it sums up what I want to say much better than I could:

First, the president's rating in the State of Massachusetts is very high. He has a high approval rating in the state. He has a 67% approval rating in MA:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125264/Ma...dent-Base.aspx

Second, Ms. Coakley ran a horrible campaign. How are you going to go on vacay less than a month before the election?

Third, turnout was very low in Democratic districts, especially majority-black districts. When minorities fail to turnout, it favors Republicans. That's why Republicans are always crying foul about voter registration (ACORN, anybody?). They don't want people to vote. High turnout = positive outcome for Democrats. This is a Special Election. Historically these types of elections don't produce high turnout no matter who's running.

Finally, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL!! This has more to do with the individual candidate and the issues with Mass health care program than with anything outside of Massachusetts.


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I never come here, but I just had to come back and rub it in

The people has spoken and this is a clear message to the Obama machine and democrat politicians that we will vote yo azz out if you vote for this insane health care plan... It's a new day.This is not only a victory for in Boston, Ma but for everyone across the country

Go Brown!!!whoaaaaa!
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I think it's good thing. I voted for the Republican candidate for Senate from my state (KY) in 2008. The U.S. Senate was the most powerful body in the world. As a unit, it has more power than the President. I have long felt more comfortable with a Dem Pres and House with a Rep Senate. I hope that the Republicans take the Senate in November. That will make Obama a better president and assure his re-election in 2012.
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He's a klassy guy. During his acceptance speech, he was trying to pimp out his daughters. Seems like a real ashole.
Yeah, that was actually "classy" with a K and an i. With a heart dotting the i.
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
lol wildhair!
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No referendum.
I got this info from a poster on another site and it sums up what I want to say much better than I could:

First, the president's rating in the State of Massachusetts is very high. He has a high approval rating in the state. He has a 67% approval rating in MA:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125264/Ma...dent-Base.aspx

Second, Ms. Coakley ran a horrible campaign. How are you going to go on vacay less than a month before the election?

Third, turnout was very low in Democratic districts, especially majority-black districts. When minorities fail to turnout, it favors Republicans. That's why Republicans are always crying foul about voter registration (ACORN, anybody?). They don't want people to vote. High turnout = positive outcome for Democrats. This is a Special Election. Historically these types of elections don't produce high turnout no matter who's running.

Finally, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL!! This has more to do with the individual candidate and the issues with Mass health care program than with anything outside of Massachusetts.


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Okay, I still don't know how to cut up the quotes. So, on your first point, yes, the President still personally popular, especially in a place such as Massachusetts. It's his policies that are becoming increasingly unpopular. When only 35% of Americans want your health care bill and you try to ram it through anyway, there are going to be lots of people saying, "Whoa, stop!" Including, as we all just found out, even in Massachusetts.

Did Coakley run an embarrassingly bad campaign? Yep. Was she a gaffe machine who would have been "Quayled" by the media had she been a Republican? Yep. Did these things, coupled with her complacency, contribute to her loss? Definitely.

About turnout, Republicans don't cry foul over voter registration, they cry foul over voter fraud. Big difference. ACORN is notorious for having workers rack up bogus voter registration cards. (This is a fact, not a partisan accusation.) Vote fraud threatens everyone's vote by cancelling out someone else's legitimate vote. I was living in WA state when Christine Gregoire won the governorship through such shenanigans during the recount. Al Franken's win in MN comes to mind as well, with the differing standards for counting absentee ballots and boxes of ballots miraculously showing up days after the election.

I'd actually love to see the purple ink pots at the polls like they have in Iraqi elections -- helping to ensure that everyone votes once. It is the Democrats who cry foul when these types of commonsense measures (including showing ID when you vote, allowing military ballots more time to arrive, etc.) are discussed. The absentee ballot system is very commonly used for vote fraud and really should be revamped.

From what I heard, there was in fact pretty high turnout yesterday in Massachusetts. Something like 51% of MA voters are registered Independents, so in this election, with all the planets aligning for Scott Brown politically, they were not a lock this time for the Dem candidate. I think you are making a lot of generalizations in assuming that high turnout is always good for Democrats. People in Massachusetts were motivated. It just looks like Brown's supporters were more motivated than Coakley's.

About your point that all politics is local, yes, who can argue with that? But Brown specifically ran as the "41st vote" against Obama's and the Democrat's health care bill, as well as being serious about national security and not giving terrorists constitutional rights (his line last night was great -- our tax dollars should be spent defeating them, not paying for their defense lawyers), lowering taxes (remember the ingenious JFK ad he did in black and white?), among other things that have national implications.

Anyway, we will see how this Brown election affects things. It should be an interesting 2010 for us political junkies.
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat.
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
I don't know, I think you find all types on both sides. People are people. For every 'ranty' or 'mean-spirited' conservative that you may point to, I can point to Keith Olbermann with his over-the-top personal attack/diatribe against Scott Brown the other day. Talk about a need to relax and chill! Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.
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[Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.
What did he say about a truck?
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat.
LOL my thoughts exactly
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[Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.
What did he say about a truck?

I looked it up. What I gathered, Brown had an ad with him and his truck, loves his truck, truck makes him more like everyone else.

Obama was saying, big deal, you have a truck.

THE HORROR!

Obama hates trucks, trucks are American. Obama hates AMERICA (well he is a non-citizen, marxist, socialist, terrorist...)
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?
Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?
Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.
There is fair amount of racist in your own party. You don't need to look to hard (check out Democratic congress members). Has it ever occurred to you the perhaps people are happy because they disagree with your opinion on healthcare. You think it will save everyone and others think it will ruin everyone. Not everything is about race... you're making it about race.
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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO.

Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat.
Actually, libs really do seem less vindictive.

Please take note: I'm not a liberal, I'm pretty moderate. So I'm watching from the outside here. And that last paragraph I wrote, I meant it. I want there to be a balance. But the meanness has got to stop and it's mostly emanating from the right as of late. For real.

And again, take a look at this very thread. And many political threads on here. It's almost always the conservatives who go on some sort of ad hominem, ranty tear, not the liberals.

I just have very little patience for people who just want to whine but aren't contributing anything. Whether it's a perception problem, I don't know, but that's how conservatives are coming across these days.

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Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?
Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.
There is fair amount of racist in your own party. You don't need to look to hard (check out Democratic congress members). Has it ever occurred to you the perhaps people are happy because they disagree with your opinion on healthcare. You think it will save everyone and others think it will ruin everyone. Not everything is about race... you're making it about race.
I was referring to the mean spirted nature of some. And A LOT of the ugliness stems from the fact that Obama is black.
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I guess no one here has ever checked out DU or the Daily Kos.
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