Obama's first year

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Pretty much sucked. Yours?
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I think 1 year is not long enough to do all the things Obama promised. It'll take several years just to shovel Bush's proverbial sh1t out of the national stables...a Herculean task.
So far Obama is fighting the uphill battle of crapola left behind by the previous administration. He hasn't wowed me, but he also hasn't disappointed. However, I am utterly disgusted with both the House and the Senate. BOTH sides of the aisle. It is painfully obvious where their priorities lie, and it is not with the real people who sent them there.
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I think he's done a masterful job of adapting when need be, but he also has innumerable tasks on his plate. I believe he's up to the job, but the lack of cooperation he's facing is maddening.

I would definitely vote for him again.
I pretty much agree with many of the other posts. He's got a lot on his plate. He set himself up by saying he was gonna do all this stuff that's impossible to fulfill in such a short time and without any cooperation from the house and senate.

But like Job Stewart pointed out Bush did whatever the f*ck he wanted even when many disagreed. Dems are too busy talkin about uniting parties. that sh*t just aint finna happen.
I pretty much agree with many of the other posts. He's got a lot on his plate. He set himself up by saying he was gonna do all this stuff that's impossible to fulfill in such a short time and without any cooperation from the house and senate.

But like Job Stewart pointed out Bush did whatever the f*ck he wanted even when many disagreed. Dems are too busy talkin about uniting parties. that sh*t just aint finna happen.
Originally Posted by Cali Chik
The Democrats aren't blameless. Both parties will take, take, take before they give an inch.
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Obama has a lot on his plate, but that's because there's a lot that needs to get fixed. I don't like Republican obstructionism as much as the next person, but I'm a bit unsettled by how flippantly Obama will give up on or even refuse to pursue his campaign promises. I am very, very upset with the Democrats over health care...hopefully they will follow through in earnest with Obama's recently proposed banking reforms, or they will lose my faith entirely.
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I see your point, too, MF.
I definitely didn't expect a miracle overnight turnaround within his first year, even his first term. So I'm reserving judgment for now, but I'm not happy at all with the way health care "reform" is going. Furious, in fact. I wish the Democrats would grow some balls already.
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id give him a B-. IMHO he should have concentrated on the economy first and foremost instead of healthcare. yes i understand he has alot on his plate. but he could of exercised more patience on healthcare to get it right.
Pretty much sucked. Yours?
Originally Posted by susancnw

I feel the same way. Hope things do improve.
Pretty much sucked. Yours?
Originally Posted by susancnw

I feel the same way. Hope things do improve.
Originally Posted by heart-of-dixie
Me too, but the way things are going, I'm not sure I can deal with any more 'hope-y change-y.

Healthcare. Why is it necessary to completely redo an entire industry that is 1/6th of our economy? Why not concentrate on the things that need to be done? Tort reform would be a great idea for starters. After the backroom deals, the slammed shut doors on it, it needs to be completely scrapped. And the outright bribery? Cornhuskers deal and the New La. Purchase? Please. Supertax on 'cadillac' policies unless you are a union member? Scrap the whole thing. All Congress exempt from it? Please.

Stimulus cost me my job. Pure and simple and a direct link. We had shovel ready jobs here in the state of CO., but as my company was not politically connected to Gov Ritter (D), then we didn't get any of it.

His first priority should have been the economy. Pure and simple. 'Cause if there are no jobs, there IS no tax revenue, the states have to cut back & so do the feds. But one of the first things Congress did was vote themselves a lovely wage increase.

Transparency? Where. Oh, we can see thru his agenda, but as far as transparency as far as new bills, etc. there is none. At all.

Obama has absolutely no business experience and neither do any of his Cabinet members or any of the czars. Unfortunately, the US government is one of the biggest businesses in the world and it is not being run like one. The Dems have spent the last year spending more money than the Republicans did (which I thought was obscene). In the meantime, the economy is still in the toilet.

So, he's not done a good job at all. If I am generous...maybe a C....minus.
My son wears combat boots (and a parachute).
The older I get, the less patience I have with cleverness. Thomas Sowell.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. Benjamin Franklin.
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain.



I pretty much agree with many of the other posts. He's got a lot on his plate. He set himself up by saying he was gonna do all this stuff that's impossible to fulfill in such a short time and without any cooperation from the house and senate.

But like Job Stewart pointed out Bush did whatever the f*ck he wanted even when many disagreed. Dems are too busy talkin about uniting parties. that sh*t just aint finna happen.
Originally Posted by Cali Chik
The Democrats aren't blameless. Both parties will take, take, take before they give an inch.
Originally Posted by Poodlehead
I never stated the Dems were blameless. I didn't even imply it.

But I really don't see how any human being in this country can sit up and say that the healthcare industry doesn't need to be redone. I'm sorry that's the dumbest comment ever. But then again most conservative comments are dumb.

Fact of the matter is. If you don't have health insurance... you're screwed. It's only 100% logical to make sure that everyone has equal access to healthcare. why the f*ck should I pay back thousands of dollars in medical bills over an injury that wasn't my fault but because I didn't have health insurance I have to pay such a large sum. All jobs don't have health care... if you're unemployed and make more than $1k a month on unemployment for a single person with no dependents, you don't qualify for medicare in most states. God forbid you have to go to the hospital. THEN if you do get a job, you have a probationary period and some jobs make u wait 3 months just to get dental or healthcare. That hardly seems fair or even remotely right. The healthcare industry is a big scam anyway.
Pretty much sucked. Yours?
Originally Posted by susancnw

I feel the same way. Hope things do improve.
Originally Posted by heart-of-dixie
Me too, but the way things are going, I'm not sure I can deal with any more 'hope-y change-y.

Healthcare. Why is it necessary to completely redo an entire industry that is 1/6th of our economy? Why not concentrate on the things that need to be done? Tort reform would be a great idea for starters. After the backroom deals, the slammed shut doors on it, it needs to be completely scrapped. And the outright bribery? Cornhuskers deal and the New La. Purchase? Please. Supertax on 'cadillac' policies unless you are a union member? Scrap the whole thing. All Congress exempt from it? Please.
Originally Posted by susancnw
It is absolutely necessary to redo health care because it takes up 1/6 of our economy. It's not like our health care industry is a driving force in our economy...it's a bloated, inefficient drain.

It's important to look at things from a macro perspective. Tort reform would lower national health care costs by half of a percentage point. That's good, and all, but it's probably not going to help much when it's 2035 and health care costs are 31 percent of our GDP.

So, no, it would not be a great idea for starters...even though Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Betsy McCaughey tell you so. Better ideas? Dumping the fee-for-service system, putting doctors on a salary. Using tax dollars to pay their way through medical school so that they can survive on said salary (even as GPs). Insuring everyone so that preventative care can be used to treat diseases early and inexpensively. Repealing the health insurance industry's anti-trust exemption clause. And, in order to ensure that free market competition is widespread, aggressive and sustained, creating a universal national health insurance exchange that includes a public option amongst other private options.

In terms of "things that need to be done," those would all probably be good places to start. Dems even addressed some of them. If your Senators and representatives and commentators (and maybe you, yourself) pulled their heads out of the sand and put them into a newspaper, book or medical journal, they'd probably realize that. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but don't get mad at Obama just because you don't understand economics.
CG since 07/26/09
Okay, you've got some good ideas. No need to get so particularly nasty about your comments. It's pretty damned hard to have any sort of a civil discussion here as the name calling, and ugly remarks start almost immediately.

A macro AND micro perspective are needed. I happen to like the idea of having doctors serve a certain period of time in rural/underserved areas if they get any sort of federal funding for med school. It's been done in the past, is still being done in certain communities & it is a good idea. Letting the free market decide, the ability to buy insurance across state lines also. Our family doctor is our family doctor specifically because they allow us to pay what the insurance company will pay. BUT we pay cash or over a 30 day period. They get the money MUCH faster than filing insurance, there is not the time it takes to file, less time taken up by employees in work like that. One of the criteria for us in finding a doctor. It took us 5 years to find one who would work with us like that. Didn't take nearly as long to do it in the past, but that has always been a criteria. And turns out they are also much better doctors.

I suggested tort reform as a part of the whole thing. But that has completely been left out of the equation due to the trial lawyers (John Edwards anyone?)

Where will the doctor salaries come from? They are doing that with the NHS in the UK and other countries. For the most part, it is not working. There are pockets around the world where national health care does work. BUT, the countries are not nearly as big (and demanding ;D) as the US. And many of those countries still send patients to the US for world class health care.

I still think that cramming this down our throats is wrong. More people do NOT want it than do want it, it is nanny state at it's worst, and it is seriously unconstitutional and way overstepping the bounds of Congress' duties.

And jobs/economy are a lot more important than healthcare.

And before anyone jumps to any conclusions. I don't have either.
My son wears combat boots (and a parachute).
The older I get, the less patience I have with cleverness. Thomas Sowell.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. Benjamin Franklin.
Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain.



In 2008, my 403-b was down 39%. I just got the 2009 statement and I'm up 39.5%.
I think it's been a good year.

I was born to be a pessimist. My blood type is B Negative.
Pretty much sucked. Yours?
Originally Posted by susancnw
After all those threads you've made, I'm pretty sure everyone already knows your opinion on the matter.

EDIT:

IMHO he should have concentrated on the economy first and foremost instead of healthcare
But health care is extremely important. He can't just sit by while thousands of people die, not because they have no chance of survival, but because they can't afford it.
I am so relieved that he closed Guantanamo and worked with Congress to get us universal health care

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