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Old 08-15-2007, 10:07 AM   #1
 
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That seems to be the question I ask Quentin everynight lately. He goes to bed really well. Last night he was asleep by 8:30pm then woke up around midnight. But then he takes these short little cat naps the rest of the night. However if I put him in bed with me he sleeps so good but I'm not willing to start cosleeping(y'all know how I feel about cosleeping if it works for you great but I don't want to start it) Any thoughts on what I can do to help him sleep longer?? My last son I gave cereal to in his bottle before bed but I've been doing some research on it and had I known then what I know now I may have not done it. Tonight I'm going to put him in warmer pajamas he's a kicker and everytime I check on him he's kicked off any light blankey I've put on him....
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He might not be ready to sleep through the night. If that's the case, nothing you can do will help.

I didn't co-sleep but once I realized that Xander would sleep longer when sleeping with me, I seized that opportunity. Usually after his 4am feed, he and I would snuggle on the couch and sleep until I was ready to wake up. Or if he slept through and woke up when my husband was leaving to go to work, my husband would bring X to me and we would snuggle for a few hours.

Are you swaddling? Xander was a twitcher who would wake himself up with all of his jerky movements.
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8:30 is a bit early for a 2 month old to go down for the night. Try moving his bedtime later. I think that's where a lot of parents make mistakes with babies...they put them to bed for the night too early and expect them to sleep through the night. A 2 month old just isn't capable of sleeping from 8:30pm til 6am. That's too many hours for them to go without food.

At 2 months old, the longest length of sleep is probably around 6-8 hours. Ideally, that 6 hours should be when you sleep your 6-8 hours at night. So, if you want baby to sleep til 6am, you'll need to put him down somewhere between 10pm and midnight. The "catnaps" you mention would be better placed in the early evening, or early morning hours. It's really up to you to shape when your baby sleeps. He already is doing exactly what is right for 2 month olds...he's just doing it at the wrong times for your comfort.

After he has his 10pm to 12am bedtime routine established, then you can gradually start moving it to earlier in the evening as he gets older. By 6-10 months old, he might be sleeping from 8:30 through the night.
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Bella just started sleeping "through the night". This means she is up for her last feeding at aroung midnight, and she sleeps til about 7am. That is a LONG time for a 2 month old - especially a breastfed one.

2 months is a little early to start a schedule, so I'm not sure how you'd have him "to bed" by 8:30. Bella's usually up and down at different times, she may just be waking up from a nap and eating at that time.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:58 AM   #5
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With my boys I tried to put them down around 8ish, but I always gave them feedings on schedule until I went to bed, 1 or 2 feedings usually, depending on their age at the time, and whether I breast fed or bottle, but they always got a feeding right before I went to bed, it help out a ton.

2 months is barely old enough for sleeping all the way through the night, I think average age is 6 weeks if memory serves, so he's not really behind or anything. Some babies just take longer, and if he's going through a growth spurt which happens around that age I think then it might another cause.
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I forgot one thing that helped. We cluster fed closer to bedtime. Instead of feeding him on his usual every 4 hour schedule, we would feed him a regular feed and then another within two hours and another within another two hours if he was still awake. He was pretty greedy. It seemed to make a difference.
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8:30 is a bit early for a 2 month old to go down for the night. Try moving his bedtime later. I think that's where a lot of parents make mistakes with babies...they put them to bed for the night too early and expect them to sleep through the night. A 2 month old just isn't capable of sleeping from 8:30pm til 6am. That's too many hours for them to go without food.

At 2 months old, the longest length of sleep is probably around 6-8 hours. Ideally, that 6 hours should be when you sleep your 6-8 hours at night. So, if you want baby to sleep til 6am, you'll need to put him down somewhere between 10pm and midnight. The "catnaps" you mention would be better placed in the early evening, or early morning hours. It's really up to you to shape when your baby sleeps. He already is doing exactly what is right for 2 month olds...he's just doing it at the wrong times for your comfort.

After he has his 10pm to 12am bedtime routine established, then you can gradually start moving it to earlier in the evening as he gets older. By 6-10 months old, he might be sleeping from 8:30 through the night.
I don't in anyway expect him to sleep clear through to 6am that would be far too much for me to ask. I just don't understand how he was such a good sleeper before now all the sudden we are up constantly.
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Bella just started sleeping "through the night". This means she is up for her last feeding at aroung midnight, and she sleeps til about 7am. That is a LONG time for a 2 month old - especially a breastfed one.

2 months is a little early to start a schedule, so I'm not sure how you'd have him "to bed" by 8:30. Bella's usually up and down at different times, she may just be waking up from a nap and eating at that time.
I am a routine freak I had him started on his routine at like 2 weeks I just time his feeding so that it works out that way. I breast mostly during the day he gets a bottle here and there just depending on what he needs and then he gets his bed time bottle around 8:15 or so then he's down between 8:30 and 9:00

And he sleeps fine for the first part of the night it's just once he's been up that first time it's (or atleast seems like) we're up and down all night
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Am I the only one here breastfeeding on demand? Would a schedule help my daughter with sleeping better? And perhaps be less clingy during the day?

It sounds like many of you follow schedules as well as set bedtimes. My baby is usually asleep on me or in a sling, until I go up to bed (she sleeps with me). If I try to put her down in the bassinet or my bed, she wakes up. I think she needs to feel me or smell me to sleep. All my kids were this way.
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Am I the only one here breastfeeding on demand? Would a schedule help my daughter with sleeping better? And perhaps be less clingy during the day?

It sounds like many of you follow schedules as well as set bedtimes. My baby is usually asleep on me or in a sling, until I go up to bed (she sleeps with me). If I try to put her down in the bassinet or my bed, she wakes up. I think she needs to feel me or smell me to sleep. All my kids were this way.
How old is your daughter? Like a month or so? That is way too early for schedules. Keep breastfeeding on demand.
When Ben was tiny I also had him in my arms or a sling till I went to bed. Then I put him down in a cosleeper right next to the bed. Sometimes it took a bunch of rocking and patting for him to go to sleep. After a couple of months he was going right back to sleep after waking up to nurse in the night. He moved into his own room at around 6 months, though he kept nursing once at night.
If you are happy with cosleeping, keep doing it. If you are not, try the bassinette right next to the bed so she can still smell you and you can pat her. Then you can try gradually moving it a foot or two away from the bed if you want.
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I breastfeed on demand. Except, of course, when I'm at work.
I have no interest in scheduling him.
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8:30 is a bit early for a 2 month old to go down for the night. Try moving his bedtime later. I think that's where a lot of parents make mistakes with babies...they put them to bed for the night too early and expect them to sleep through the night. A 2 month old just isn't capable of sleeping from 8:30pm til 6am. That's too many hours for them to go without food.

At 2 months old, the longest length of sleep is probably around 6-8 hours. Ideally, that 6 hours should be when you sleep your 6-8 hours at night. So, if you want baby to sleep til 6am, you'll need to put him down somewhere between 10pm and midnight. The "catnaps" you mention would be better placed in the early evening, or early morning hours. It's really up to you to shape when your baby sleeps. He already is doing exactly what is right for 2 month olds...he's just doing it at the wrong times for your comfort.

After he has his 10pm to 12am bedtime routine established, then you can gradually start moving it to earlier in the evening as he gets older. By 6-10 months old, he might be sleeping from 8:30 through the night.
I don't in anyway expect him to sleep clear through to 6am that would be far too much for me to ask. I just don't understand how he was such a good sleeper before now all the sudden we are up constantly.


But 2 month old babies CAN sleep through til 6am, IF they are put down to bed for the final time around midnight. Mine all did that. I was really anal about sleep and started from birth trying to get my newborns' longest-period-of-sleep to coincide with mine. By a few weeks old, I had all of them sleeping "through the night". After I got the sleep at the right time of day, I started stretching it out by putting them to bed earlier, a tiny bit at a time.
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How old is your daughter? Like a month or so? That is way too early for schedules.


The key to schedules is to start them early and shape them gradually. No, you can't take a newborn or 1 month old and say they're going to eat every 4 hours and sleep through the night and actually expect them to do it. But, you can have a reasonable schedule in mind at the beginning and work towards that goal from early on. If you just let baby set the schedule and wait til baby is 6 or 12 months old and expect to impose a rigid schedule then, that's going to fail as well.
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My baby is awake and alert for very short periods of time. Then she starts to cry to be "put to sleep." I nurse her or pat her back to put her to sleep. She can't fall asleep on her own, it seems. All this to say, I can't put her to bed at midnight because she falls asleep way earlier than that (around 9pm).
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My baby is awake and alert for very short periods of time. Then she starts to cry to be "put to sleep." I nurse her or pat her back to put her to sleep. She can't fall asleep on her own, it seems. All this to say, I can't put her to bed at midnight because she falls asleep way earlier than that (around 9pm).

I'd wake her up at midnight to give her one more feeding before I went to bed myself. That's how I mostly worked my "schedule"...I'd wake them up every 3 hours for feeding except during that midnight-to-6am timeframe that I like to sleep.
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I feed on demand. My husband says "when in doubt, whip 'em out"

If she wakes in the middle of the night, I feed her. I don't mind if she is clingy right now.
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My baby is awake and alert for very short periods of time. Then she starts to cry to be "put to sleep." I nurse her or pat her back to put her to sleep. She can't fall asleep on her own, it seems. All this to say, I can't put her to bed at midnight because she falls asleep way earlier than that (around 9pm).

I'd wake her up at midnight to give her one more feeding before I went to bed myself. That's how I mostly worked my "schedule"...I'd wake them up every 3 hours for feeding except during that midnight-to-6am timeframe that I like to sleep.
That's pretty much what I do now. My husband gets home from work late, so I try to wait up for him. I'm up til like 11:30 or 12, and I make sure I feed her right before I go to sleep. If I go to sleep earlier than that, I know she'll wake me up to eat.
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8:30 is a bit early for a 2 month old to go down for the night. Try moving his bedtime later. I think that's where a lot of parents make mistakes with babies...they put them to bed for the night too early and expect them to sleep through the night. A 2 month old just isn't capable of sleeping from 8:30pm til 6am. That's too many hours for them to go without food.

At 2 months old, the longest length of sleep is probably around 6-8 hours. Ideally, that 6 hours should be when you sleep your 6-8 hours at night. So, if you want baby to sleep til 6am, you'll need to put him down somewhere between 10pm and midnight. The "catnaps" you mention would be better placed in the early evening, or early morning hours. It's really up to you to shape when your baby sleeps. He already is doing exactly what is right for 2 month olds...he's just doing it at the wrong times for your comfort.

After he has his 10pm to 12am bedtime routine established, then you can gradually start moving it to earlier in the evening as he gets older. By 6-10 months old, he might be sleeping from 8:30 through the night.
I don't in anyway expect him to sleep clear through to 6am that would be far too much for me to ask. I just don't understand how he was such a good sleeper before now all the sudden we are up constantly.


But 2 month old babies CAN sleep through til 6am, IF they are put down to bed for the final time around midnight. Mine all did that. I was really anal about sleep and started from birth trying to get my newborns' longest-period-of-sleep to coincide with mine. By a few weeks old, I had all of them sleeping "through the night". After I got the sleep at the right time of day, I started stretching it out by putting them to bed earlier, a tiny bit at a time.
I don't even stay up until midnight though I go to bed around 10 and for me I need that hour of me time (or us time depending on hubby's schedule that week) You know I need that hour where I can do what I want without having either of the kids awake so that I can just have me time. But I see what your saying I acually don't want him in bed untilm9pm but I can tell when he's getting tired so I always just fix that bedtime bottle around 8:15 or 8:30.
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My baby is awake and alert for very short periods of time. Then she starts to cry to be "put to sleep." I nurse her or pat her back to put her to sleep. She can't fall asleep on her own, it seems. All this to say, I can't put her to bed at midnight because she falls asleep way earlier than that (around 9pm).

I'd wake her up at midnight to give her one more feeding before I went to bed myself. That's how I mostly worked my "schedule"...I'd wake them up every 3 hours for feeding except during that midnight-to-6am timeframe that I like to sleep.
Maybe I'll try this and wake him up closer to when I'm going to bed and see what happens. Although with my luck he will end up being wide awake and then not want to go back to sleep..
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