drugs to increase supply

After a week of breastfeeding full time during vacation, Lex has decided he does not like formula anymore. I'm able to produce a small bottle (ie 4 ounces) in pumping during work - a significant decrease from before. But since he was consuming a little formula on the side, I didn't really concern myself.

Today he ate from me at 11:30 and refused to consume the formula. The next time he got food (from me) was 5:30.

I'd like to increase supply but the tea and mother's milk tincture doesn't seem to do that much. And my pumping doesnt produce as much as it used to. As much as I hate the idea of taking drugs, I may need to go ahead and bite the bullet.

Unless, of course someone has a better idea.
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/index.html

A whole lot of good information here, including drugs.

Some thoughts from me
- If you guys cosleep and he nurses a lot at night he may reverse cycle and get most of his nutrition at night and need less during the day. That may or may not work, and may or may not be acceptable
- A nursing weekend can boost supply. Basically do nothing, have lots of skin to skin contact, and feed him as much as you can for two days.
- Can you fit in another pumping session at work? Even a quick one might help.
- Do more pumping at home. Once Ben was going to bed at 7 and sleeping till 1 or 2, I would feed him before bed and then pump before I went to bed around 10 or 11. I got a couple of extra ounces and it also boosted my supply for other pumping sessions. You can also pump 1 side in the AM before feeding him - he should be able to still get some milk from that side even after the pump, and then there is the other side too.
- Are you drinking enough? Are you eating enough? Are you exercising enough?
- Applying a warm compress to the girls for a few minutes before you pump can help you get more.
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- Applying a warm compress to the girls for a few minutes before you pump can help you get more.
Originally Posted by geeky
Is that the same as putting a lemon in the microwave before juicing???

Ok, I'll leave this section now
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http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/index.html

A whole lot of good information here, including drugs.

Some thoughts from me
- If you guys cosleep and he nurses a lot at night he may reverse cycle and get most of his nutrition at night and need less during the day. That may or may not work, and may or may not be acceptable
- A nursing weekend can boost supply. Basically do nothing, have lots of skin to skin contact, and feed him as much as you can for two days.
- Can you fit in another pumping session at work? Even a quick one might help.
- Do more pumping at home. Once Ben was going to bed at 7 and sleeping till 1 or 2, I would feed him before bed and then pump before I went to bed around 10 or 11. I got a couple of extra ounces and it also boosted my supply for other pumping sessions. You can also pump 1 side in the AM before feeding him - he should be able to still get some milk from that side even after the pump, and then there is the other side too.
- Are you drinking enough? Are you eating enough? Are you exercising enough?
- Applying a warm compress to the girls for a few minutes before you pump can help you get more.
Originally Posted by geeky
Ok, this is more of a rant....

He is reverse cycling and I'm sick of it. I thought I knew what no sleep was, but now I REALLY know. it's making me bitter.

And then there's the issue of luxuries, like having time to eat, exercise, have a decent shower and drink liquids.

My workday is: Work. pump. lunch is going home to feed him. Eat on the road on the way back to work. work again. Pickup baby after work. Come home to cook, clean, do dishes, laundry and feed baby inbetween. And with no time for exercise because I'm so frekin exhausted, I'm 50lbs overweight and can't fit into clothing. One of the many reasons I never wanted to have kids - Every single member of my family gets fat.

Gah.

off to pump.

double Gah. didn't do a search about a multiple-y discussed topic.
Ok, this is more of a rant....

He is reverse cycling and I'm sick of it. I thought I knew what no sleep was, but now I REALLY know. it's making me bitter.

And then there's the issue of luxuries, like having time to eat, exercise, have a decent shower and drink liquids.

My workday is: Work. pump. lunch is going home to feed him. Eat on the road on the way back to work. work again. Pickup baby after work. Come home to cook, clean, do dishes, laundry and feed baby inbetween. And with no time for exercise because I'm so frekin exhausted, I'm 50lbs overweight and can't fit into clothing. One of the many reasons I never wanted to have kids - Every single member of my family gets fat.

Gah.

off to pump.

double Gah. didn't do a search about a multiple-y discussed topic.
Originally Posted by webjockey
I was trying to find a hug smiley, but at this hour all the choices made my brain hurt. This is why I said "reverse cycle IF it is acceptable", sometimes you need the sleep and that is most important. Nothing wrong with that.

Have you tried different formulas? He might like a different brand, liquid vs. powder, a different temperature. He might take it mixed with breast milk. Sounds like you are frazzled so I can understand that extra pumping on top of everything else you do would be too much.

PM me if you need a sympathetic ear.

{{{hugs}}}
To Trenell, MizKerri and geeky:
I pray none of you ever has to live in a communist state.

Geeky is my hero. She's the true badass. The badass who doesn't even need to be a badass. There aren't enough O's in cool to describe her.
I once heard about an feverfew supplements help increase milk supply. I have no personal experience because our GNC didn't carry it at the time. And I was too busy breastfeeding every 30 minutes to check any other stores.
I used the More Milk herbs from Motherlove, and they seemed to work great on my supply. They taste horrid, but worked very well when I went back to work. You can get it off of amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/More-Milk-Spec...5323236&sr=8-9

Unfortunately, when you're working and pumping, it kind of rules your life for a while. My schedule was much like yours, with as many pumping sessions as I could get in. Even if she was sleeping thru the night, I would still get up around midnight just to pump to keep the supply going. It was VERY hard. I didn't deal with it nearly as bad as I did with my son. I didn't have a problem keeping supply up with him when I went back to work and I had an arsenal of over 200 oz of frozen EBM with him. With her, I started freaking when the frozen EBM was being used up faster than what I was pumping.

Geeky have a link to a GREAT site. Gave me a lot of info when I was going thru a rough supply time, great suggestions on the cycling thing, too.

And, also some ((hugs)).
Ok, this is more of a rant....

He is reverse cycling and I'm sick of it. I thought I knew what no sleep was, but now I REALLY know. it's making me bitter.

And then there's the issue of luxuries, like having time to eat, exercise, have a decent shower and drink liquids.

My workday is: Work. pump. lunch is going home to feed him. Eat on the road on the way back to work. work again. Pickup baby after work. Come home to cook, clean, do dishes, laundry and feed baby inbetween. And with no time for exercise because I'm so frekin exhausted, I'm 50lbs overweight and can't fit into clothing. One of the many reasons I never wanted to have kids - Every single member of my family gets fat.

Gah.

off to pump.

double Gah. didn't do a search about a multiple-y discussed topic.
Originally Posted by webjockey
I was trying to find a hug smiley, but at this hour all the choices made my brain hurt. This is why I said "reverse cycle IF it is acceptable", sometimes you need the sleep and that is most important. Nothing wrong with that.

Have you tried different formulas? He might like a different brand, liquid vs. powder, a different temperature. He might take it mixed with breast milk. Sounds like you are frazzled so I can understand that extra pumping on top of everything else you do would be too much.

PM me if you need a sympathetic ear.

{{{hugs}}}
Originally Posted by geeky
Geeky made some wonderful suggestions. But I totally understand being exhausted and I have nowhere near the amount of stress and responsibility you have.

Which formula was Lex taking?
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/index.html

A whole lot of good information here, including drugs.

Some thoughts from me
- If you guys cosleep and he nurses a lot at night he may reverse cycle and get most of his nutrition at night and need less during the day. That may or may not work, and may or may not be acceptable
- A nursing weekend can boost supply. Basically do nothing, have lots of skin to skin contact, and feed him as much as you can for two days.
- Can you fit in another pumping session at work? Even a quick one might help.
- Do more pumping at home. Once Ben was going to bed at 7 and sleeping till 1 or 2, I would feed him before bed and then pump before I went to bed around 10 or 11. I got a couple of extra ounces and it also boosted my supply for other pumping sessions. You can also pump 1 side in the AM before feeding him - he should be able to still get some milk from that side even after the pump, and then there is the other side too.
- Are you drinking enough? Are you eating enough? Are you exercising enough?
- Applying a warm compress to the girls for a few minutes before you pump can help you get more.
Originally Posted by geeky
Ok, this is more of a rant....

He is reverse cycling and I'm sick of it. I thought I knew what no sleep was, but now I REALLY know. it's making me bitter.

And then there's the issue of luxuries, like having time to eat, exercise, have a decent shower and drink liquids.

My workday is: Work. pump. lunch is going home to feed him. Eat on the road on the way back to work. work again. Pickup baby after work. Come home to cook, clean, do dishes, laundry and feed baby inbetween. And with no time for exercise because I'm so frekin exhausted, I'm 50lbs overweight and can't fit into clothing. One of the many reasons I never wanted to have kids - Every single member of my family gets fat.

Gah.

off to pump.

double Gah. didn't do a search about a multiple-y discussed topic.
Originally Posted by webjockey
Sending you hugs as well. It must be hard to be working full-time so soon. Can your husband help more with the housework? I hope things get better soon....
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He was on similac for a little while and then Earth's best organic. He was fine drinking 8oz of formula a day in addition to breastmilk in the am, lunch and evening, until I came back from vacation. It's like he got a taste of the good stuff 24/7 and won't go back.
Since we still haven't decided to vaccinate, it's very important to me that he stays well fed and healthy - especially during flu season.

Work's crazy now. I work for a food bank and you know how all the do-gooders (and I mean that in the nicest way) come out during the holidays. And I joined a board of directors for another non-profit.


I do have a housekeeper but you'd never know with DH working from home. I'm considering having her come once a week instead every other week.

Has anyone ever tried accupuncture for this? The random herb guy at Sun Harvest said that I'm "damp" and some accupuncture in addition to changes in my diet would help things. I ended up purchasing an herb blend that includes nettles, fenegreek and some other stuff that was mentioned on the Kellymom.com link.

Thank you all for the support.
I used More Milk Plus, which worked really well when Audrey was breastfeeding. But it didn't do anything for me when she went on permanent strike and I started exclusively pumping. So I tried taking herbs separately in higher doses. I took fenugreek, blessed thistle, alfalfa. Didn't work. So I went on domperidone. That actually helped, but I still had to supplement. And I continued getting up in the middle of the night to pump until Audrey was 10 months old, even though she was sleeping through the night. Oh, and I think oatmeal helped me a bit, too.

Do what you can, but find a balance that works for you. I don't know how much you are coming up short, but you should be able to fool him if you mix formula with breastmilk. It is worth a try.
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I have no advice on the increasing supply (fenugreek and blessed thistle along with oatmeal and molasses worked for me.... but that was early on). But I also wanted to encourage you keep trying different formulas or different temperatures or mixes. If you had a good thing going with formula/pumped milk during the day, I'd try to get back at that schedule rather than more pumping at this busy time.

Good luck!


I ended up ordering Domperidone from New Zealand, b/c even pumping 2x at work, I couldn't get but 2-3 oz total. I did everything the kellymom site suggested before hand, but nada. Sophie was also reverse-cycling, but I didn't mind, since I could sleep through it. But I was concerned for her during the day, and supplementing with liquid Enfamil DHA (it had just come out). She hated the powder, and the liquid concentrate - so I had to use the ready-pour tall cans. She had very expensive taste! Still does.

Anyhoo, the domperidone turned me into a milk machine! But with gassy side effects. Yuk. I took it for 3 months, and then could not make contact with he New Zealand place again. So I only made it to 6 months breastfeeding, with a month left over in the freezer, which we mixed with Good Start powder, and that stretched my frozen milk out an extra month. She liked that just fine.

My heart goes out to you, Webbie. My body is in the same position, almost 6 years after the fact. But I have also been very lazy in that aspect.
I realized this morning that me being on the ring will also decrease supply. Apparently it's a side affect from low dose birth control.
hello.world.
Yup, any hormonal BC can possibly affect supply. I was not willing to take that chance so I had a copper IUD put in.
To Trenell, MizKerri and geeky:
I pray none of you ever has to live in a communist state.

Geeky is my hero. She's the true badass. The badass who doesn't even need to be a badass. There aren't enough O's in cool to describe her.
that's what I wanted, but hubby insisted he could feel an iud.
hello.world.
that's what I wanted, but hubby insisted he could feel an iud.
Originally Posted by webjockey
If he's so picky, he can always get himself snipped.
To Trenell, MizKerri and geeky:
I pray none of you ever has to live in a communist state.

Geeky is my hero. She's the true badass. The badass who doesn't even need to be a badass. There aren't enough O's in cool to describe her.
but then what would my mom do without a girl grandchild she asked for literally seconds after Lex was born?

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cause it's all about her needs, of course
hello.world.
but then what would my mom do without a girl grandchild she asked for literally seconds after Lex was born?

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cause it's all about her needs, of course
Originally Posted by webjockey
So what will she do if you have more pregnancies but just have boys??????

(that's MY fear for myself....)
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











well duh... just have more babies until she's satisfied.


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gotta keep a sense of humor about life, ya know...
hello.world.

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