Medussa

i have not forgotten about you and your wanting the pediatric journal which states "breastfeeding during immunizations is good"..

as i was doing practice questions for my certification exam the other day i came across a question specifically discussing the benefits of breastfeeding and how it is an analgesic during painful procedures..

here is an article in the American Academy of Pediatrics Journal breastfeeding
that states breastfeeding during painful procedures acts as an analgesic (it does not discuss immunizations, their study was done during heelsticks)

i hope it helps


sorry it took me so long to get back to you!
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Originally Posted by Poodlehead
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Because I am (or will soon be!) a newbie at this, just to clarify - breastfeeding the baby while they are receiving immunizations helps with the pain?
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Because I am (or will soon be!) a newbie at this, just to clarify - breastfeeding the baby while they are receiving immunizations helps with the pain?
Originally Posted by CurlieGlamourGirlie
yep.. there are quite a few studies out there showing the benefit of breastfeeding during painful procedures.. this one in particular is from the American Academy of Pediatrics.. they studied heelsticks in particular, but the benefit is there for reducing pain during immunizations..

Breastfeeding before, during, and after a painful blood collection procedure markedly suppressed crying and grimacing and prevented the increase in heart rate that normally accompanies this procedure. Indeed, 11 of the 15 breastfeeding infants did not cry or grimace at all during the procedure. When watching these infants on videotape, we could not tell when blood collection was either initiated or terminated. We believe that this reflects pain blockade, as opposed to suckling producing a behavior that is incompatible with crying. Infants could detach from the nipple, and some did. In any event, suckling certainly does not interfere with expressions in facial countenance that convey pain perception.
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Originally Posted by Poodlehead
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Also, for moms who are unable/do not breastfeed. Holding Steven and giving him a bottle and talking to him (looking him in the eye/soothing him during his shots/blood draws had the same effect.
Also, for moms who are unable/do not breastfeed. Holding Steven and giving him a bottle and talking to him (looking him in the eye/soothing him during his shots/blood draws had the same effect.
Originally Posted by deezee02
yes, if a mother does not breastfeed just skin contact is beneficial..

The most available comparison is with the contact-induced analgesia. Skin-to-skin contact was effective in reducing the pain experienced during heel lance. Eight of 15 infants held by their mothers during the procedure did not cry at all, and their crying was reduced 83% compared with their controls. Three infants in skin-to-skin contact did not grimace at all during the heel lance, and grimacing was reduced 65% compared with their controls.
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Originally Posted by Poodlehead
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
Are the shots THAT painful for the baby? JJ cried a little after the second needle this last time, but for about 30 seconds... then he was smiling again and seemed fine afterwards. I always worry that it will be bad for him but it never seems to be.
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The breastfeeding/skin contact has also been shown to soothe babies who were just circumcised too, I believe.

[quote="Amneris"]Are the shots THAT painful for the baby? JJ cried a little after the second needle this last time, but for about 30 seconds... then he was smiling again and seemed fine afterwards. I always worry that it will be bad for him but it never seems to be.[/quote

I think it depends on the baby. Maxwell never had much of a reaction, (although when he was small and I breastfed him through the immunizations, he didn't even wince), but my poor daughter would scream as though she was being beaten. And I'd be nursing her at the time, knowing how she reacted to discomfort.
Are the shots THAT painful for the baby? JJ cried a little after the second needle this last time, but for about 30 seconds... then he was smiling again and seemed fine afterwards. I always worry that it will be bad for him but it never seems to be.
Originally Posted by Amneris
pain is subjective.. it's hard to know exactly the extent of pain a non-verbal person feels, if they can't tell us..

but everyone feels and experiences pain differently.. a lot of things go into the pain one feels..

but research shows that infants do feel pain, previously it was reported that infants do not experience pain.. so though we don't know the extent of the pain we know it is experienced..
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Originally Posted by Poodlehead
Ah, it all makes sense now. Goldy is the puppet master!
This is so neat!! See, there's a reason I'm here all the time!! Thanks for the info!
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I spoke to the pediatrician about our experience at Lilly's 2 month checkup. He seemed really surprised at what the nurse told me. He said she was wrong to tell me not to nurse during or right after the shots. He said he would bring it up at the next staff meeting.

Thanks for the info Goldy.
I spoke to the pediatrician about our experience at Lilly's 2 month checkup. He seemed really surprised at what the nurse told me. He said she was wrong to tell me not to nurse during or right after the shots. He said he would bring it up at the next staff meeting.

Thanks for the info Goldy.
Originally Posted by medussa
Okay, now I KNOW I've made the right choice concerning pediatricians!!!
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I spoke to the pediatrician about our experience at Lilly's 2 month checkup. He seemed really surprised at what the nurse told me. He said she was wrong to tell me not to nurse during or right after the shots. He said he would bring it up at the next staff meeting.

Thanks for the info Goldy.
Originally Posted by medussa

When I worked in a large pediatric group, the docs used to tell the moms it was OK to breastfeed during/after shots, but then they'd tell us nurses to discourage breastfeeding in the exam rooms so we could so we could clear them out of the rooms as soon as possible to make room for the next patient. They talked out of both sides of their mouths...trying to keep moms happy and still turn a profit by seeing as many patients as possible, and they'd let the office staff look like the bad guy.
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i didn't breastfeed my babies as they were being vaccinated, but i did nurse them as soon as the shot was over. it was my intention to do it anyway, but their pediatrician recommended it since he knew they were breastfed. i love their doctors. they share the same medical ethics that i have, which means a lot to me.
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I spoke to the pediatrician about our experience at Lilly's 2 month checkup. He seemed really surprised at what the nurse told me. He said she was wrong to tell me not to nurse during or right after the shots. He said he would bring it up at the next staff meeting.

Thanks for the info Goldy.
Originally Posted by medussa

When I worked in a large pediatric group, the docs used to tell the moms it was OK to breastfeed during/after shots, but then they'd tell us nurses to discourage breastfeeding in the exam rooms so we could so we could clear them out of the rooms as soon as possible to make room for the next patient. They talked out of both sides of their mouths...trying to keep moms happy and still turn a profit by seeing as many patients as possible, and they'd let the office staff look like the bad guy.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
One of the many reasons I left a large pediatric group.... The ped I see now always tells me to take my time getting the kids ready after the exam/ visit is over. When Maya was a baby, she's always tell me to let her finish nursing before packing her up.
They've always told me to take my time nursing the baby, after the visit is over. I just think this particular nurse was misinformed. My ped actually looked annoyed that the nurse said what she did and went as far as asking me which nurse it was. He also told me he has fired quite a few staff members since opening his private practice. This man really puts his patients first. That's why I love him.

As far as the dimwit nurse, I suspect she won't make that mistake again.
My doc is great when we go to the office, with Steven we get right into a room, we never sit in the waiting room so he is not exposed to any germs. They also let me stay as long as I would like after to calm him down/pack up. I have never felt rushed at all

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