any good resources on vaccination?

i'm trying to plan ahead and become more informed about vaccination choices for the baby. i'm thinking of ordering dr. sears' the vaccine book, but i thought i'd ask here if anyone has anything else they'd recommend.

also, any good books on other topics related to baby health? i'm very interested in alternative medicine and holistic approaches, but i'm not very well read about it when it comes to baby stuff. i'm hoping to get some recommendations for pediatricians who are supportive of this from my midwives - and hopefully one of them will be covered by our insurance ... but it always helps to be more informed oneself.

thanks in advance!

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yes this is a topic near and dear to my heart.

I found the book Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide by Aviva Jill Romm to be a well balanced read and truly leaving the decision up to the parent. Once I realized she also wrote a book on treating children using natural remedies I snatched that one up and it's now my go to reference for a lot of things. It's called Naturally Healthy Babies and Children.

I've heard good things about the Sears book but did read that he leans a bit towards the pro side. Nothing wrong with that just something to be aware of. Also I've heard the Stephanie Cave book mentioned often and a book that's out of print but my friend picked up at a library book sale - How to Raise A Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor. She said despite it being an older book it had lots of good information.
This was given to me by our Ped:
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

Pages 8&9 list the amounts of Thimerosal in different vaccines. What I would do is find out ahead of time which vaccine (Trade name/manufacturer) your pediatrician will use and you can look it up to make sure it's Thimerosal free. And make sure at the visit that they are administering that same one just to be sure.
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yes this is a topic near and dear to my heart.

I found the book Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide by Aviva Jill Romm to be a well balanced read and truly leaving the decision up to the parent. Once I realized she also wrote a book on treating children using natural remedies I snatched that one up and it's now my go to reference for a lot of things. It's called Naturally Healthy Babies and Children.

I've heard good things about the Sears book but did read that he leans a bit towards the pro side. Nothing wrong with that just something to be aware of. Also I've heard the Stephanie Cave book mentioned often and a book that's out of print but my friend picked up at a library book sale - How to Raise A Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor. She said despite it being an older book it had lots of good information.
Originally Posted by marielle448
I just looked up the Naturally Healthy Babies book and found out that Dr. Sears did the foreword.
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I have Naturally Healthy Babies and found it to be a great resource. I had a link to an article that I thought weighed both sides pretty well (although it seemed to be more pro-delayed vaxing in the end). If I can find it again, I will post it for you.


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Found it!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html

It's not perfect but it provided some info that I didn't already have.


"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Theodor Seuss Geisel
I found the book Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide by Aviva Jill Romm to be a well balanced read and truly leaving the decision up to the parent. Once I realized she also wrote a book on treating children using natural remedies I snatched that one up and it's now my go to reference for a lot of things. It's called Naturally Healthy Babies and Children.
Originally Posted by marielle448
I just ordered both of these books. Thanks for the recommendation!
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My 3 oldest kids were pretty much on time for their vaccinations. Our youngest came after I had been doing reading and research. I actually started researching when I heard about a 7 in 1 vaccination for our dog and began wondering if that would not be an overload.

She never went to daycare, so we had the option of delaying the vaccinations. The headnurse about had a fit when I refused the Vit K at birth.

Her: She MUST have the vaccination.
Me: Have you pricked her heel?
Her: Yes.
Me: Did it clot?
Her: Yes.
Me: Then she doesn't need it, does she?
Her: pouting and leaving the room. She literally had no answer for that one. I also fought against the silver nitrate in her eyes, but the nurse badgered me enough on that one (and threatened to report me to the state) that I agreed and they brought her to me and I wiped her eyes out. The nurse also sent in the pedi to try to talk us into immediate vaccinations. NO! How many times do I have to tell you. I finally went in the bathroom and let my husband handle it. I was getting NO respect from the Pedi. We went to his office once then I found another one. Office creeped me out. He was probably a very nice man and a good dr...but I was just really uncomfortable in there.

Lexi did get all her vaccinations...we started her after she turned two. Prior to that, she really did not have much contact with kids her age. Actually, now that I think about it...none. We had her when we were 40 (it's much easier to do when you are 30 than 40), and all our friends had older kids. So that was not a concern. She was very healthy. When she did start getting them, I told them that I wanted them in single dosages, not the multiple like MMR, etc. I wanted to be able to tell if she was having a reaction and WHAT she was having a reaction to.

When your little ones do get their vaccinations, exercise that little leg as much as possible for the first few hours. Maybe every 30 min or so. That spreads the serum and lessens the chance of a sore leg. Once they start walking, go to the playground or just walk around the mall for about an hour. When we did that, there was never any soreness. But if we did not...it hurt. I got a tetanus shot in 96 (I cut myself on a 6" razor) and cleaned windows for 8 hrs that day...and there was NO pain at all or stiffness. So moving that limb really works.

Good luck. I was fortunate that our first pedi was an osteopath AND an MD. He was very open to my use of homeopathic stuff..Hyland's teething tablets are a miracle...and you cannot overdose.
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My 3 oldest kids were pretty much on time for their vaccinations. Our youngest came after I had been doing reading and research. I actually started researching when I heard about a 7 in 1 vaccination for our dog and began wondering if that would not be an overload.

She never went to daycare, so we had the option of delaying the vaccinations. The headnurse about had a fit when I refused the Vit K at birth.

Her: She MUST have the vaccination.
Me: Have you pricked her heel?
Her: Yes.
Me: Did it clot?
Her: Yes.
Me: Then she doesn't need it, does she?
Her: pouting and leaving the room. She literally had no answer for that one. I also fought against the silver nitrate in her eyes, but the nurse badgered me enough on that one (and threatened to report me to the state) that I agreed and they brought her to me and I wiped her eyes out. The nurse also sent in the pedi to try to talk us into immediate vaccinations. NO! How many times do I have to tell you. I finally went in the bathroom and let my husband handle it. I was getting NO respect from the Pedi. We went to his office once then I found another one. Office creeped me out. He was probably a very nice man and a good dr...but I was just really uncomfortable in there.

Lexi did get all her vaccinations...we started her after she turned two. Prior to that, she really did not have much contact with kids her age. Actually, now that I think about it...none. We had her when we were 40 (it's much easier to do when you are 30 than 40), and all our friends had older kids. So that was not a concern. She was very healthy. When she did start getting them, I told them that I wanted them in single dosages, not the multiple like MMR, etc. I wanted to be able to tell if she was having a reaction and WHAT she was having a reaction to.

When your little ones do get their vaccinations, exercise that little leg as much as possible for the first few hours. Maybe every 30 min or so. That spreads the serum and lessens the chance of a sore leg. Once they start walking, go to the playground or just walk around the mall for about an hour. When we did that, there was never any soreness. But if we did not...it hurt. I got a tetanus shot in 96 (I cut myself on a 6" razor) and cleaned windows for 8 hrs that day...and there was NO pain at all or stiffness. So moving that limb really works.

Good luck. I was fortunate that our first pedi was an osteopath AND an MD. He was very open to my use of homeopathic stuff..Hyland's teething tablets are a miracle...and you cannot overdose.
Originally Posted by susancnw
I have two questions. When you started the vaccinations after the age of two did your daughter only have to get one shot for each vaccination instead of a series? My sister told me that this was the case becaus of all the immunities little one's have...they have to do a series of shots for it too take. After 18 months....one shot will do it. Just curious if the same occurred for your daughter.

Second. Can you get the MMR shot broken out? I didn't know you could do this. I would love to do this for DS.

Thanks!
I have two questions. When you started the vaccinations after the age of two did your daughter only have to get one shot for each vaccination instead of a series? My sister told me that this was the case becaus of all the immunities little one's have...they have to do a series of shots for it too take. After 18 months....one shot will do it. Just curious if the same occurred for your daughter.

Second. Can you get the MMR shot broken out? I didn't know you could do this. I would love to do this for DS.

When you late vax (I late vax'd my 2 younger kids), the doc follows a schedule laid out by the CDC. It depends on how old they are and what they've already had. The schedule gets updated regularly, so it might be different now than when my kids were little, but if you miss the shots at 2, 4, and 6 months, and don't do them til the kid is 2 years old, they only need 1 or 2 doses of those vaxes, rather than 5. Because they have these schedules, it's not rocket science for the ped to figure out what vaxes the child needs to comply for public school.

Yes, you can have the MMR shot broken out to separate componants. The ped will probably have to special order them though, as they probably don't get enough demand to keep it in stock in their office, so giving them advance notice that you plan to do that is a good idea.
Yes, you can break out just about any of the vaccines. You do need to have a pedi that you can work with. The one we had here was not real happy that we had waited, but she respected our decision and didn't reprimand. My understanding is that none of the vaccines contain thimerasol (SP?) any longer as there was such an outcry. But you do need to check. You also might want to dose with tylenol before you go and then be sure and go run/play for at least a 1/2 hr afterwards and it is a LOT less painful.

My preference for the single dose vaccines is that if they DO have a reaction, you know exactly what they are reacting to. With something like MMR...hmmm, are they reacting to the measles, mumps or rubella? Plus it does not overload their immune systems. Of course, I am the mom that burned more pacifiers sterilizing them for my oldest than I care to admit. I decided that ya know, mom spit and blowing on it seems to work well as a cleansing agent so...of course, I did carry several at a time (I loved the MAM paccies). I found the last one when we moved from Austin to Houston. The baby was 5. I was a firm believer in passy preparedness and even then, I admit that I did hesitate. 3 yrs later we had our youngest

My oldest is at the age where they are reccomending the vaccines for sexually transmitted stuff. I let her made the decision on it
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Thanks to both of you. I have been slowly giving Chas his vaccines but I refuse to give him the MMR until he's much older. We're behind but I don't really care. Our ped is okay with this but I'm going to have to get a note for the daycare saying I refused to give my child the MMR shot.

What I didn't realize was that we could break out the MMR. I might discuss this at his 18 month appointment.

I'm thinking with the next kiddo that I won't do any vaccinations until he/she is 2 years old.
Most states (I believe there are only 2-3 exceptions) allow for a religious exemption and/or a philosophical exemption (just about every state allows for a medical exemption but that is based on reactions to vaccines or risk of getting a reaction due to health history). Now granted it's a bit stickier when you choose to selective vax and delay vax but a good ped should help you in that regard.

A religious exemption is nothing more than, "I choose not to vaccinate due to my religion" no further explanation necessary and if someone dares to try to ask you for a further explanation it's illegal. A philosophical exemption is quite similar but of course for those not wishing to go the religious route (although the supreme court has defined a religious belief within the context of philosophical belief so I would be perfectly comfortable using one or the other).

Anyway, long way to say that nothing, not even school or daycare (as long as they receive even 1 cent in government money or subsidies) can require that you vaccinate if you employ an exemption. It's your right as a a parent and a handwritten note should suffice. But as a parent who chooses to deviate in any way from the norm it will fall on you to know your rights because often officials will try to infringe upon those rights until you let them know it's not allowed.
There are daycares that are totally privately funded, and therefore, they can refuse to take your child if your child isn't fully vaccinated according to the state's regulations. Just something to think about.
yes there are which is why I specified any institution linked monetarily to any government program. There are very few daycares that would fall under this type of exception thought as MOST daycares are linked somehow to to government in the most minute ways.

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