Kaia and other wrappers...

I asked this on TBW too, but I'm trying to get as many opinions as possible.

Even though I'm only 11 weeks along, I'm such a planner that I'm already starting to think about carriers for baby #2. Plus, I have all the carriers I need for Sol so it's fun getting to shop again. I've decided to go with a wrap for the new baby, definitely for the newborn stage and if I love it I'll keep using it. I'll probably buy/borrow a used Moby or make a DIY stretchy wrap, but I definitely want to buy a woven so that I can attempt newborn back carries, which will hopefully make it easier to chase Sol around.

My question now is, how on EARTH do I choose one? It seems there are so many options out there, that I don't even know where to start. As far as patterns, I generally like simple neutral-y solids but some designs are pretty like Ellaroo Kristen or Storch Inka (even though it's not at all neutral!). Also, I'm hoping to get one wrap that will last me year-round, so something that won't be too hot in the summer would be ideal (although I suppose that by summer, the baby will be big enough to use my Yamo if the wrap is too hot).

If it matters, I don't expect the baby to be very big. I tried Sol in a Moby a few weeks ago and it didn't seem too stretchy even for him at 20 months and 21 lb. I don't expect the next baby to be much bigger. The main reason I don't want to go stretchy is because of the back carries.

My last question is about length. Based on my size, it looks like I should be getting a 4.1m wrap. But when I tried on a Moby (which I know is way longer) it didn't seem too bad. And when I made a 5-yard stretchy for a girlfriend, I tried it on and it seemed difficult to tie because of the shorter tails - although a wrap with tapered ends would probably help alleviate that.

And, off-topic, Kaia, I saw your thread on TBW FSOT selling your Gypsy Mama BBB. I clicked on it and there was Dylan! I remember seeing that pic when you posted it here, and he's so cute.

OK, so this is long, but any advice from you experienced wrappers is appreciated.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
OK one more question. What about a Gypsy Mama Bali Baby Stretch? I know I said I wanted a woven, but GM's website says that the BBS is suitable for back carries. Is that true? If I could find something poppable AND suitable for back carries, that would be awesome. Plus it's a little less expensive than most wovens.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
I used a bali baby stretch for back carries when Nadia was tiny. I think you could even use a moby or homemade stretchy wrap for back carries for a newborn. Certainly till he/she is big enough to do back carries in a Mei tai or something like that.

Here is Nadia at a few weeks old in the bali baby stretch.


Too bad I gave away my stretchy carriers a while ago
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Ah, geeky, I knew you used a Gypsy Mama but I thought you had the Breeze! It's great to see someone I "know" saying they were okay using it for back carries. Of course everyone on TBW is trying to convince me to buy a woven

Yeah I still have my mei tai so I can definitely switch to that for back carries (even high back carries as soon as the baby's old enough) and by summer the baby should be big enough for back carries in my Yamo too. If I love wrapping and decide I want a woven, I can get one later. I'm so overwhelmed by the choices in wovens (and the price tags!).
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
I think a BBS would be ok for back carries because it only has widthwise, not lengthwise stretch. I would not use a Moby, or any other stretchy for back carries. It's also more supportive than other stretchies. And I really like the new "Sebastian" pattern.

As far as choosing, it's so personal! I can't even tell you how many wraps have come to this house and moved on. Find something within your budget that you like the look of. Girasols are a good brand and I've seen them go for as little as $60 on tbw. They get really soft and snuggly. I'm not a fan of Storch's, but a lot of people love them. If you decide on Inka, I just recommend getting a used one. I found a new storch very difficult to wrap with. I think they're a bit warm too. Ellaroo is nice and cool. Not the most supportive wrap ever, but I have huge babies. If you can spend a little more, Neobulles are really nice wraps and easy to learn on. I think a NB would last you through all the wrapping you'd want to do with a newborn through toddler. I had an organic one, and it was so soft from the start, no breaking in needed. The non-organics are supposedly great too. I also think Vatanai's are great and easy to learn with, and really awesome in the heat. But really, find something you think is pretty. If you think it's beautiful, you will wear it.

As far as length, I think you'd be ok with 4.2. I'm taller and uhhh wider than you, and I can do any carry with a 4.7. But if you're in doubt, get the longer one. You can always chop and have a tailor do a hem for under $10, but you can't make a too short wrap longer.
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Thank you Kaia! At first I was leaning toward a Storch Leo in Natural because the only woven I ever tried on was a Storch, and I wanted something solid and neutral. But now that I look at more and more, I kind of want something a little prettier. I really like the striped Vatanais and Neobulles.

As for the BBS, I too like the Sebastian but I can't decide. I would love it if the pattern were just a little smaller. I really like the Kamava but wouldn't use it with a boy, and even if I'm having a girl this time I want something I can use with Sol or other future babies. Hiroku's not bad, but a little bit boring. Alyssa might be okay too but I don't love it.

So now, since I don't LOVE any of the BBS fabrics, I'm reconsidering a woven. Kaia, is it possible to do a poppable carry with a newborn in a woven? What about a PWCC? I ask because with this baby being born in the snowy winter, I'll have to pretie when I go out anywhere and them just pop him/her in the wrap under my coat when we get places. Plus I plan to wear the baby just about all day every day, so it will be easier to pop him/her in and out for diaper changes and stuff, than to retie every time.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
Yup, depending on the wrap and carry. I used FCC with Dylan last summer with our Vat, and I would tie around him to get it just right, but then I would pull him out and back in as we ran errands. After two or three "removals" I'd have to untie, retighten, and tie again, but I didn't have to re-do the whole wrap job. The key is to have a wrap that isn't too grippy. A Vatanai, Neobulle, silk and patterned cotton Didymos (except waves-those are grippy) are all pretty flat weave and not too grippy. I'd definitely stay away from hemp indios, since they're very grippy. I had a brand new Leo too and thought it was very velcro-y, but supposedly they smooth out with time and wear. I never got that far... I like that the wrap stayed put exactly how I wrapped it, but it was so grippy I could never tighten it enough to get a really good, tight carry. If you want, I would be happy to lend you some of my wraps to try out if you pay the shipping. Let me know.

Also, there is a new BBS pattern here, that's an exclusive to this store. Don't know if that's too girly for you, but it's so pretty!
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That's great to know, Kaia. I'm a little scared to do any carry without a "tuxedo belt" because my only experience with wrapping Sol was with a DIY stretchy that was too short - I could only do a SCC and as he got wiggly, the fabric of the crosses would slide down his back and bunch up and I didn't feel it was secure. But with a PWCC, if I don't tie it too tight, it shouldn't be too hard to slide the fabric panel down to pop the baby in and out of the crosses.

Wow, thanks so much for the offer to let me try some of your wraps. I've got plenty of time ahead of me, but I may take you up on that. I will PM you to let you know

That BBS pattern is nice, but probably a bit too girly for me. I'm finding I'm drawn mostly to blues/greens with widish stripes. Some I like so far are:
  • Ellaroo Kristen
  • Hoppediz Salzburg
  • Neobulle Noah, Lili, or Simon (though Manon Rouge and Grise are pretty too!)
  • Vatanai Kipawa
Of those four, the Vatanai and Ellaroo are my favorites, but Ellaroo doesn't seem to get as great reviews.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
Kipawa is a very pretty colorway. Out of the brands you listed, vatanai is definitely the easiest to manipulate and get a good, tight carry. It's a great summer wrap too!
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Well, I ended up ordering an Ellaroo Kristen. Hopefully I'll find it supportive enough, since Sol's not huge I don't expect the next one to be either. It was my favorite looks-wise, and I got an e-mail from Alongfortheride that was Ellaroos were on clearance for $30 off.... so I just went with it. I justified buying it now instead of waiting because this way I can practice wrapping with Sol, so I'm a pro by the time the baby comes. They only had a 4.6 so that's what I got, but I can always shorten it it I need to. Thanks again for all your feedback.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
You can also work on getting it broken in, since ERs are kind of icky brand new IMO. Best way is to fold it to the size of a seat cushion and sit on it. You can also tie a swing or hammock, and let Sol swing in it, which is a fun way to break in a wrap.
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Pixie, I have an Ellaroo (I think I have Christianne); it's my only wrap since I can't justify purchasing another at this point. Anyway, Aidan is 24 1/2 pounds and it supports him really well- it's a huge difference from carrying him in the mei tai. I bought it 4 years ago when Maya was a baby. I was not familiar with all of the options at that time, but I've been really happy with it. I actually was practicing back carries with Maya today since Aidan has limited tolerance for experimentation and it felt ok (she's 35 lb., which I think is the upper weight they recommend).
That's great to know, Kaia. I'm a little scared to do any carry without a "tuxedo belt" because my only experience with wrapping Sol was with a DIY stretchy that was too short - I could only do a SCC and as he got wiggly, the fabric of the crosses would slide down his back and bunch up and I didn't feel it was secure. But with a PWCC, if I don't tie it too tight, it shouldn't be too hard to slide the fabric panel down to pop the baby in and out of the crosses.
Originally Posted by PixieCurl
This is what I did all the time when Lydia was a newborn. I learned exactly how much slack to leave when tying it and always pretied. Here is a picture of Lydia napping in a woven wrap when she was two months old. I know it looks really snug, but I would just push the cumberbund part down under her bottom to pop her out. Please excuse the weird diagonal angle, courtesy of DH. :-)



Also, Pixie, have you thought of a fleece wrap for winter? I loved using fleece for wrapping last winter when we were out and about!
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Kaia - thanks for the tips about breaking it in. Using it as a swing sounds fun - if I do it over a tree branch, will it snag the fabric? I'll also probably wash/rinse it a few to several times in the beginning to make sure I get all the color-bleeding out of the way.

cosmicfly - I'm glad to hear you like your Ellaroo! Sol is probably around 21 lb (at 21 months) and was definitely less than 20 lb when I started wearing him significantly less. I guess this is a time when it's good to have small babies.

BEG - that's an adorable picture! Is that a DIY woven? I'm sure with practice, I'll be able to get a nice snug fit like that. I've thought about still doing a DIY stretchy if I can get some cheap fabric, and fleece might be perfect for the winter. Is it terribly bulky under a coat?
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
Depends on the tree, I guess, but it won't snag if you put a dishtowel between the wrap and the branch.

Fleece is actually a great idea for winter. It never occured to me bc it never gets cool enough for it here, but I don't think it would be too bulky. It has the perfect amount of stretch too.
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Yes, that's a DIY woven. The only thing that was bulky about the fleece was where I tied the knot. I think it made my behind look a little strange under my coat, but that didn't bother me. As Kaia said, it has the perfect amount of stretch. When Lydia was small, I could sort of wrap my coat around her, and with a hat on, she stayed very snug even on pretty windy days. I would definitely not make it my only wrap though, because it can quickly get too warm in the house especially if you're moving around.
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Yes, that's a DIY woven. The only thing that was bulky about the fleece was where I tied the knot. I think it made my behind look a little strange under my coat, but that didn't bother me. As Kaia said, it has the perfect amount of stretch. When Lydia was small, I could sort of wrap my coat around her, and with a hat on, she stayed very snug even on pretty windy days. I would definitely not make it my only wrap though, because it can quickly get too warm in the house especially if you're moving around.
Originally Posted by Brown_Eyed_Girl
Yeah when Sol was tiny 2 winters ago I used to pop him in a Hotsling in the "front carry" and then wrap my coat around him, and he had a warm hat on, and it would keep him nice and warm. I figure a wrap with the newborn will be even better. Since I got a 4.6 in my ER instead of a 4.1, I'm thinking I'll be able to wrap it around to the front to tie with a PWCC to avoid the bump in the back, especially when I'm driving.
Faith, 3Aish redhead
Mama to two wild superheroes and a curly-headed baby boy
I'm a big fan of the Ergobaby, but I also have a MobyD which I love for little babies. I recently found one very much like Ergo but you can face baby out and I would love that. Its called Lillebaby Everywear or something like that.
That's great to know, Kaia. I'm a little scared to do any carry without a "tuxedo belt" because my only experience with wrapping Sol was with a DIY stretchy that was too short - I could only do a SCC and as he got wiggly, the fabric of the crosses would slide down his back and bunch up and I didn't feel it was secure. But with a PWCC, if I don't tie it too tight, it shouldn't be too hard to slide the fabric panel down to pop the baby in and out of the crosses.
Originally Posted by PixieCurl
This is what I did all the time when Lydia was a newborn. I learned exactly how much slack to leave when tying it and always pretied. Here is a picture of Lydia napping in a woven wrap when she was two months old. I know it looks really snug, but I would just push the cumberbund part down under her bottom to pop her out. Please excuse the weird diagonal angle, courtesy of DH. :-)



Also, Pixie, have you thought of a fleece wrap for winter? I loved using fleece for wrapping last winter when we were out and about!
Originally Posted by Brown_Eyed_Girl
What kind of wrap is this? It looks so much smaller than my MobyD.
Poisonivy, that's a homemade wrap out of a crinkle cotton. I just bought 5 yards of fabric and hemmed the ends. I posted the link to the website that tells how to choose fabric in Deezee's thread.
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