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12-21-2009, 11:44 AM
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I have that exact same thing. I had been using it to keep her on her back because she sometimes rolls to her side. I'm a moron and I didn't even think about using it to hold her on her side. Duh.
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12-21-2009, 11:56 AM
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I'm glad you chimed in with so much advice because I had read about how you got your babies sleeping through the night at a fairly young age. Considering all the babies I've been around don't sleep through the night until they are toddlers, I don't want to take advice from their mothers.
I do hold her most of the time she's awake, and I put her down if she falls asleep and sometimes just when she's drowsy. As long as she's not hungry or needing changed, she usually goes to sleep without any problems, unless it's during her 11 pm to 1 am "I refuse to sleep" time.
In the rare event she's awake for a while and not hungry or needing changed, I can *sometimes* put her in her boppy pillow or her swing or bouncy seat and she'll look around, content. But for the most part, she wants to be on me when she's awake.
I think you're right about the back sleeping. It definitely makes sense and I've witnessed the startle reflex many many times. Obviously she was not laying flat on her back in the womb, why would she want to be now? I'm going to try laying her on her side and see if that helps. The pediatrician said for her weight/size/age she shouldn't sleep more than 5 or so hours right now because at that point, her blood sugar starts to drop. She only weighs just over 7 pounds right now. I would be thrilled if she slept 4-5 hours though, rather than 2-3. And I would be especially thrilled if she slept 6+ hours by 6 weeks. I can deal with her waking up every 3 or so hours even if only I could get her to sleep earlier. Like I said earlier, she refuses to sleep, or really to do anything but cluster feed, from 10-11 until 1 am and then she's out like a light. I keep trying to keep her awake to resolve that, but she's been stuck in that habit for a bit now. At first she was awake from midnight until 5 am, so it's better than it was. I know it takes time to get them on a routine. But I have to go back to work in 3 1/2 weeks, so I want to get her on some sort of routine ASAP so I can function at work all day.
As far as her naps go, she obviously spends a lot of time sleeping during the day at this point. I wake her up for feeding and I try to keep her awake for a bit, especially in the evening, hoping it will make her tired earlier. It has gotten a bit better as I mentioned, but there's still that rough period where she won't sleep. But when she sleeps during the day, do you recommend I always put her where I want her to sleep at night (in her bassinet)? If I put her in her swing awake, should I move her when she falls asleep and put her in the bassinet so she'll associate that with sleep? And on the music conditioning, is white noise okay too? As long as it's something that's the same every night? That's what I've been using and it seems to soothe her, but I'm not adverse to switching to music if it will work better.
I know you're right on the bolded. I know I will miss all these moments when she is older, but then a big part of me cannot wait until she is older.
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12-21-2009, 12:30 PM
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#43
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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I had to "teach" a couple of my babies to love the paci. I'd wiggle it back and forth very quickly to get them to take it, and once they were sucking I'd "tap" on the outside to keep them sucking. This training went on for a long time. It was weeks (or months?) til I was able to just stick the paci in their face without also having to hold them and tap the paci at the same time, but it was worth the time investment. And it also enabled me to get them to hold off on a feeding for a little while (important for breastfed babies, since I didn't want to end up being the paci, and breastmilk is better quality if 2 hours pass between feedings).
Forgive yourself about the breastfeeding and move on. You won't hear any criticism from me about it. I know how difficult it is to establish a breastfeeding relationship in the beginning, and 2 of my kids were formula fed because of it. Babies thrive very well on formula.
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12-21-2009, 12:34 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Yes, yes, yes. You did what was best for you and your child.
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12-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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I would tightly swaddle Luke, rock him to sleep, then lay him on his side in a positioner like that. Worked great.
Definitely agree here. I had a similar experience to you with my first and I still remember how heartbroken I was that we couldn't BF but I made peace with it and we were all much happier.
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12-21-2009, 01:18 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Yeah, at 7 pounds, I wouldn't expect her to sleep more than 5 hours...if that. More like 3-4 would be considered an accomplishment. She won't be 7 pounds for long though. She'll be up over 10 pounds in just a couple of weeks and once babies get to the magical 12 pounds, they can sleep 6 hours and, IF those 6 hours are in the middle of the night, you can consider her sleeping-through-the-night. It can be done. Mine all did it by 10-12 weeks...1 of them did it by 2 weeks.
Cluster feeding is good in the evening. Keep encouraging that. Don't try to get her to sleep "earlier". That comes later. Try to get her sleeping her longest period around midnight til 4-5am. Then, once she is doing that consistently, you can gradually move back her bedtime to 11pm, 10pm, 9pm, etc. She will probably do it on her own. Kids don't usually sleep early-evening-til-morning til they are 8-12 months old.
I wouldn't move a sleeping baby from swing to bed, but if she was getting sleepy in your arms, I would definitely put her in her bed. Try for 2 daytime naps and 1 nighttime chunk of sleep in her bed and go from there.
I like music better than white noise, just because I think it's better for "conditioning" training, but use what you like. My kids really reacted well to music. By the time they were toddlers, all they had to do was hear the first few notes of their music and they would put their heads down automatically.
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12-21-2009, 02:44 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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She's probably closer to 8 pounds now actually. She was 7 lb 3.5 oz last Tuesday at her appointment, up from 6 lb 10 oz the Tuesday before that. And she's been eating like a little piglet the past week.  She's definitely getting chubbier.
I'm glad to know 3-4 hours of sleeping is good right now, because that's what she generally does at night. Well, more like 3. Last night she clusterfed from 10:30 until 12:50, slept from 1 until 4:10, was back out by 4:40, and slept til 7:30. If she wakes up more often, it's because she's hungry, but that's pretty typical except for a couple really rough days.
I'll just work with her then right now. I would love it if she would do the cluster feeding earlier, like 7-10 pm and THEN sleep, but I'm just glad she's not up all night every night or anything. And she's happy most of the time if she's eating and being held during that rough time of night. It isn't like she just screams and screams (most of the time).
Kind of sounds like I need to keep doing what I'm doing then, as long as I make sure she takes a couple naps in her bassinet. There have been a few days she doesn't nap at all in there and I can tell it's harder to get her to sleep there at night on those days. She's down for a nap right now in the bassinet and is on her side with the sleep positioner and totally conked out.
This all gives me some hope and reassurance though. I don't really have anyone to ask for help here, so I appreciate all the advice from all of you. It makes me feel like I'm actually doing okay.
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12-21-2009, 02:45 PM
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I can't imagine taking months to make a baby get the hang of a pacifier. Frankly, I'm glad neither one of my girls took to it. I think they're disgusting, personally. And even if they did take it, they don't need to be pacified after the first few months anyway, so it seems kind of self defeating - you're just creating a habit that needs to be broken in the future anyway.
But to each their own. My little one is a thumb sucker, and has been since the beginning. I don't find that gross at all - and some people prefer pacifiers to thumbs, so whateves.
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12-21-2009, 02:47 PM
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Thank you RCW, FieryCurls, and Jess. It's nice to hear that. I really have beat myself up over that, because I had this idea that anyone who gave up was just lazy or didn't really care, so I was not happy to give up. But I had to feed my baby. I kept telling myself that practically everyone (including me) used to be formula fed and they turned out okay. It also upsets me because I had my grandma say to me that I "wouldn't have any milk" because I have smaller boobs, and I hated her knowing I was bottle feeding, even though the reason was totally different.
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12-21-2009, 02:49 PM
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The good thing about pacifiers vs. the thumb/fingers is that you can take the paci away. I sucked my thumb til I was ridiculously old and it's amazing my teeth aren't screwed up, lol.
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12-21-2009, 03:05 PM
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Do not beat yourself up over FF...you HAVE to do what is best for you and your baby. It took me a long time after having Steven to get over that. Your baby is getting nourishment, end of story.
We had to wake Steven up every 2-3 hours to eat in the beginning once we brought him home. One thing I would do with him is take a few smaller bottles of water (not cold) and the pre measured formula container (the ones with the wedges in them) and bottles into the room before I went to bed. When He woke up I would only have to walk to the dresser, open the bottle, poar in water and dump the formula. I did not have to stumble through the house like I had been. If she likes them warm, take the warmer into your room and warm them as you are changing her diaper (although Steven never had an issue as long as they were not cold)
I totally did not even think about the 2 week spurt! That would explain a lot...that is probably the main reason the first 3 months are so hard...babies go through SOOOO many growth spurts during that time. Callie is a chuck, and had one at 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 2 months and 3 months, but has not gone through on since (she is almost 5 months now). DH and I still always realize after the fact that growth spurts or teething are the cause of long fussy days.
Do not swaddle if she is on her belly...just lay her down with her head turned to the side...the startle reflux is not as prominent like that.
I used a wedge sleeper with Steven, but did not with Callie. She has always been on to wiggle around and would shove her face into it. One thing I did with her is let her sleep as she pleased...if she would twist onto her side, I would let her be. Once she started rolling (about a month ago) I never flipped her back.
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12-21-2009, 04:26 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Hey Rhe, I was reading your description of how she feeds, esp.that she has trouble bottle feeding sometimes and I'm wondering if she's tongue tied. A baby who's tongue tied would probable have a decent laatch on the breast or bottle but might have problems transferring the milk efficiently. When a baby is gaining and growing,they typically do nothing to correct it, but if it causes speech problems down the road, they'd clip it then. Just a thought (I eval'd a 3 y.o. today whose tongue tie was just discovered in the fall, so missing it is fairly common and tht's what made me think of you and Ava).
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12-21-2009, 05:36 PM
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I was wondering the tongue tied thing too...but typically the LC and pedi will check that out right away, especially the LC since they knew what was going on...if they have not you might want to have the look at it at her next appointment.
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12-21-2009, 05:46 PM
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Join Date: May 2003
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We saw a LC today who mentioned Sebastian isn't quite tongue tied but it is pretty darn close. Our ped and previous LC's never mentioned it.
Has your milk dried up completely? I only ask because perhaps a different LC could still help you if you are interested. I've seen a few and still don't have baby to breast but have found help with some other problems.
Thank you for asking about me and Sebastian. We are doing better. Medicating his reflux helped a lot. Also, right about 6 or 7 weeks he became more aware of the world which helped him cope a little better.
Do -not- try to force a routine. Actually, a routine is good. Don't try to force a schedule if Ava isn't ready. I tried that a few weeks ago and we both ended up in lots and lots of tears. I went back to work last week and did okay despite the fact that we still don't have a good schedule or routine going. I had one with Alexander at this point but have to respect the fact that Sebastian is a very different baby.
I'm glad to hear that you are in better spirits now.
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12-21-2009, 08:02 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Perhaps you haven't experienced colic then. I did a lot of binky-tapping the first 3 months with my colicky babies. They needed a binky, and I just did not want to BE the binky. My kids all gave up the binky before a year anyway, so it wasn't a long-term issue. I loved the bink.
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12-21-2009, 08:13 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Rheanna, I've been out of town and just saw your thread. You've gotten lots of good advice here. I just wanted to chime in and tell you that you're doing a great job.
I don't remember a whole lot about the first few weeks with DD. It was a total blur of poop, nursing, and spit up. Once you and Ava get more acquainted, you'll find what works for you. I started to really enjoy DD when she was in the 5-7 week stage and we began to get a routine.
Be kind to yourself!
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12-21-2009, 08:42 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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This is really good for 2 weeks old. You're on the right track. One day soon you'll wake up in daylight and realize she missed her 4am feeding.
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12-22-2009, 09:40 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Meh, so did I. Most kids are going to need braces anyway. And my teeth were very screwed up.
My two year old already has an overbite with her two front little bunny teeth. I just can't tell a kid to stop sucking her thumb. It's attached to her. If it's a natural reaction she has to comfort herself, I gotta let her do it.
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12-22-2009, 09:47 AM
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You're probably right. I didn't. My babies cried, as all babies do, but I don't think it was ever a 'what is wrong with this child?' situation.
But I did breast feed constantly. Sometimes every hour and a half. Frequently every 2 to 3 hours.
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12-22-2009, 09:52 AM
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That is far from "constantly" as far as breastfeeding goes. 2-3 hours is the normal interval for a lot of babies, even through toddlerhood. An hour and a half is pretty average in the beginning.
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