Finally made the decision...

DH and I had been discussing circumcision for pretty much my whole pregnancy. I was dead set against it (I think it's just as bad to mutilate a boy's genitals as a girl's) and he was on the fence. Last night, we finally decided that we weren't doing it!

I'm really proud of hubby. He said that his heart was telling him we shouldn't do it, but his head kept coming up with reasons that we should. He told me that he trusted his heart more than his head this time. He was really concerned that our son would get made fun of when he was older, but I found some statistics online that showed that circumcision rates have steadily been declining over the past 10 years, and that in the south where we live, the rate is about 50%. I think that helped put him a little more at ease (he's a numbers guy...LOL).
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Congratulations on reaching a tough decision together. It's always nice to see both parties coming to an agreement.
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I'm always happy to hear of another set of parents who sees the light and doesn't mutilate their son's genitals without consent.

My son is almost 10, and he's never been teased about being intact. There are lots of other parents in our group who I know haven't amputated their kids, so I know he's not alone and probably won't ever get teased.
I'm always happy to hear of another set of parents who sees the light and doesn't mutilate their son's genitals without consent.

My son is almost 10, and he's never been teased about being intact. There are lots of other parents in our group who I know haven't amputated their kids, so I know he's not alone and probably won't ever get teased.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
That's good to hear. I really feel good about our decision and I'm really confident that we can explain to our son why we left his body alone. Of course, I'm also one of those moms who would never pierce her kids' ears when they are little, either. I figure if you're going to have your body modified in some way (that's not health-related), it should be your choice and not something that's done to you.
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I'm always happy to hear of another set of parents who sees the light and doesn't mutilate their son's genitals without consent.

My son is almost 10, and he's never been teased about being intact. There are lots of other parents in our group who I know haven't amputated their kids, so I know he's not alone and probably won't ever get teased.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Yes, to all that. I feel nauseous every time I hear of a little defenseless baby being circumcised. I don't believe parents should have the right to irreversably remove pieces of their children.
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Good for you, making the decision together, it's so good to hear really!

My fiance is 35 years old and he is "intact" and I don't think he was "made fun of" or anything (can't speak for his whole life for him though). It's just a matter of teaching them the proper cleaning techniques and how very important it is; otherwise there's no reason to do it really.

Congratulations and can't wait to see this little baby boy!!!!

That's great. My brother and his wife had my nephew circumcised and the thought just makes me cringe. It seems such an unnecessary thing to do, especially when the reasoning is basically "just because". My ex was not and he never even mentioned it, so clearly it was not an issue at all for him.
I'm really confident that we can explain to our son why we left his body alone.
Originally Posted by nynaeve77


I have tried explaining this to my son, and I was met with huge-eyes-blank-stare from him and a very confused "WHAT?" He really didn't know that he has a foreskin. He was quite shocked when I tried to explain circumcision to him. I think I'm going to have to tell him a few more times before he gets it. I've told him many times about cleaning it and I get a "yeah yeah, mom, OK, I'll clean it, can we stop talking about my penis now, please."

LOL
LOL @ RCW. At least you talk to your kids about that stuff. DH was concerned the foreskin would be a big petri dish. I was like, "Um, isn't it our job to teach him how to clean himself? I mean, we taught our daughter how to wash her privates."
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LOL @ RCW. At least you talk to your kids about that stuff. DH was concerned the foreskin would be a big petri dish. I was like, "Um, isn't it our job to teach him how to clean himself? I mean, we taught our daughter how to wash her privates."
Originally Posted by nynaeve77

There's actually LESS cleaning required on an intact little boy than a circ'd one, so your job will be easy. The young intact foreskin is often adhered to the glans until sometime around puberty, and only the owner of the foreskin is supposed to retract it, so there's very little for parents to clean when the boy is tiny. By the time the boy is old enough to retract it, he's also too old for demonstrations, so you just have to tell him how to do it. Once he's retractable, he really only needs to pull it back and rinse it daily in the shower. A little soap occasionally if he tolerates it and that's it. Washing a penis is not all that difficult.

My older 2 sons are circ'd and it was necessary when they were little for me to retract and clean those things. They were always getting diaper rash on the little bits of skin that were leftover, and I had to check all the time to make sure they didn't re-adhere and cause adhesions and skin bridges that would have to be painfully broken later. Circumcision is a huge PITA. I don't know who ever started the rumor that it made cleaning easier, because it doesn't. I think the main purpose of circ was to keep boys from masturbating...and we all know it doesn't work for that either.
LOL @ RCW. At least you talk to your kids about that stuff. DH was concerned the foreskin would be a big petri dish. I was like, "Um, isn't it our job to teach him how to clean himself? I mean, we taught our daughter how to wash her privates."
Originally Posted by nynaeve77

There's actually LESS cleaning required on an intact little boy than a circ'd one, so your job will be easy. The young intact foreskin is often adhered to the glans until sometime around puberty, and only the owner of the foreskin is supposed to retract it, so there's very little for parents to clean when the boy is tiny. By the time the boy is old enough to retract it, he's also too old for demonstrations, so you just have to tell him how to do it. Once he's retractable, he really only needs to pull it back and rinse it daily in the shower. A little soap occasionally if he tolerates it and that's it. Washing a penis is not all that difficult.

My older 2 sons are circ'd and it was necessary when they were little for me to retract and clean those things. They were always getting diaper rash on the little bits of skin that were leftover, and I had to check all the time to make sure they didn't re-adhere and cause adhesions and skin bridges that would have to be painfully broken later. Circumcision is a huge PITA. I don't know who ever started the rumor that it made cleaning easier, because it doesn't. I think the main purpose of circ was to keep boys from masturbating...and we all know it doesn't work for that either.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
I should think not...I think that a man could have no hands at all and he'd still figure out a way to masturbate.
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The little boy I babysit is 18 months old and he was circ'd at birth. He has been diagnosed with these things called smegma pearls that have formed all around at the site of his circ. It's basically smegma skin cells that have become trapped in the incision site. They're supposed to work themselves out, but they've been there for months. So he's going to have to have a little surgery to release them. And probably get more scars, on his already scarred little penis. It's really kinda ugly...on something that should be so cute and such a non issue. His circ was botched if you ask me...it healed really badly.
Poor little guy! I hope he's not in too much pain.
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I almost didn't read this thread when I saw what it was about as I didn't want to read that you'd decided to do it. There are very few things in life that I have strong opinions on but this is one of them, I think it's disgusting and that there must be something wrong with parents who think it's ok to mutilate little babies.

Until I came to Australia I seriously thought that only Jewish boys were circumcised (I was 28!) it was only when I watched a daytime tv debate about the pro's and con's that I realised so many people do it "just because". I remember my friend being quite upset when she had her boy done, she really didn't want to but bowed to pressure from her DH who wanted the baby to be the same as him. Wtf - I figure if the boy notices the difference he's probably old enough to ask why and have it explained to him.
I've never brought the subject up with my sons and neither have they so I'm pretty sure there's no issue with it at all.

Sorry for the essay but it really really annoys me!
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I almost didn't read this thread when I saw what it was about as I didn't want to read that you'd decided to do it. There are very few things in life that I have strong opinions on but this is one of them, I think it's disgusting and that there must be something wrong with parents who think it's ok to mutilate little babies.

Until I came to Australia I seriously thought that only Jewish boys were circumcised
Originally Posted by Starmie

Just curious...do you have the same strong feelings about jews who circumcize their boy children? Or does religion somehow excuse the mutilation?
Congrats on making a decision. We also live in the south and decided against circumcision.
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Starmie - where are you from originally?

We didn't circumcize our son - DH is quite strongly against it (both as an uncirc'd man and as a surgeon).

The practice is pretty rare in Canada these days, especially out west - I think its 15% here in BC and falling. I can only think of one friend off-hand who had her sons circ'd.

Not sure why its still so popular in the US?

Anways, I don't expect there to be any locker room issues but if there is, my son will be taught to say "Why are you looking at my penis?" to anyone who thinks about commenting.


Starmie - where are you from originally?

We didn't circumcize our son - DH is quite strongly against it (both as an uncirc'd man and as a surgeon).

The practice is pretty rare in Canada these days, especially out west - I think its 15% here in BC and falling. I can only think of one friend off-hand who had her sons circ'd.

Not sure why its still so popular in the US?

Anways, I don't expect there to be any locker room issues but if there is, my son will be taught to say "Why are you looking at my penis?" to anyone who thinks about commenting.
Originally Posted by mad scientist
I think a lot of people do it "just because". It was very common in the 70s and 80s, so I think a lot of new parents do it because the fathers had it done. I honestly think most people who do circumcise their sons do it without a second thought...if it was good enough for dad, it's good enough for the son. For instance, my nephew is circumcised, and I bet you $10 if I asked his parents why they did it, they wouldn't have a really good reason (and I certainly don't think they are horrible people, but I do think they, like a lot of others, didn't necessarily try to entertain the thought of NOT doing it). There also seems to be the pervasive thought that being uncircumcised is less hygenic.
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I don't think the Canadian health system covers circumcision unless it's for a medical reason...which we all know is almost-never medically necessary. I think Americans would suddenly stop amputating their sons' foreskins if they had to pay for it themselves out of their own pockets. Money talks.
I don't think the Canadian health system covers circumcision unless it's for a medical reason...which we all know is almost-never medically necessary. I think Americans would suddenly stop amputating their sons' foreskins if they had to pay for it themselves out of their own pockets. Money talks.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
That's probably it. Circumcision was more popular back in the 70's (my parents had my brother done even though my father wasn't), but even then it wasn't at the US rate.

As for the religious aspect of it - that doesn't change anything about the issue for me. The procedure/end result is still the same. But I don't imagine that people who do it for religious reasons care what I think.

Its a Hindu ritual/custom to pierce their infant daughter's ears. Its not a practice I condone, and so I didn't do it to my daughter.


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