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Good morning all,

I did a PT yesterday (IAGirl's gelatine PT). Although my hair doesn't feel dry, there is absolutely NO curl or wave, even after applying gel, scrunching, plopping, etc. The hair feels silky, just no curl. I have 2a-b, fine, low porosity hair by the way.

This sort of thing has happened to me before when using a Tx with protein. Should I be following up immediately with a moisturising Tx? Maybe my hair doesn't care for the gelatine?
Ah. No worries.

I have been reading about following up a PT with deep condish. I should have figured this out by now! Well, yesterday was the day after PT-ing and still flat, so I did a hot oil Tx with coconut oil (my sister and I used to do these ALL the time and they work really well for us) and washed out with a low poo. Curls back!

I still think my hair likes protein, though. Maybe I could just get it through products, because I get a lot of it through my diet.
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If you are low porosity chances are... You don't need protein. At least that is what I have gathered from the 3 articles I read. I actually had to re-read them today due to some threads that left me feeling a little unsure. I'm a high porosity (which equals horribly damaged) and protein starved. This needs to be a regular for me. Low porosity is considered to be pretty healthy hair. Kudos to you! Your hair might respond to protein quite nicely, from time to time. Low's do better sticking to moisture treatments and only using PT's when really needed. Your hair soaks in the protein and gets a build up of it rather quickly. That might be why you had issues with flay texture and weight. Please, look over the articles and see if you gather the same thing I do. Lol. I do not have a link, but there are several on here.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

If you are low porosity chances are... You don't need protein. At least that is what I have gathered from the 3 articles I read. I actually had to re-read them today due to some threads that left me feeling a little unsure. I'm a high porosity (which equals horribly damaged) and protein starved. This needs to be a regular for me. Low porosity is considered to be pretty healthy hair. Kudos to you! Your hair might respond to protein quite nicely, from time to time. Low's do better sticking to moisture treatments and only using PT's when really needed. Your hair soaks in the protein and gets a build up of it rather quickly. That might be why you had issues with flay texture and weight. Please, look over the articles and see if you gather the same thing I do. Lol. I do not have a link, but there are several on here.
Originally Posted by Fifi.G
My hair is fine and low porosity. Just LOVES protein. I do at least one PT a week and a good part of the year do two. I also use a lot of products with protein. It's all trial and error. Finding out what your hair likes. Here's a thread about making sure you use protein Yes, You Do Need Protein At one point, it was popular enough that it was a sticky. Don't think it is anymore.

Because of the rich products I use, I don't have to DT. It's actually been a few years since I did because the PTs I use are moisturizing--CJ Repair Me and Curl Fix, SS Protein Repair, Shescentit Okra Hair Repair Reconstructor and occasionally IAgirl's gelatine treatment.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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Funny - my hair reacts the same way to the gelatine treatment. When I was swimming in a chlorinated pool twice per week, and did not have a clorine-removing filter on my shower, my hair always responded favorably to that PT, followed with only enough conditioner to detangle and feel smooth. I have not been swimming for months and I have a chlorine-removing filter on my shower now. The last couple times I used it, I had the same result, it made my hair want to be straight and while it felt thicker, the usual wave was not there.

Now I use FSG to which I've added (Colorful brand) Neutral Protein Filler which is wheat and keratin protein. It gives me good curl enhancement and my hair stays nice and elastic. Gelatin is a high molecular weight protein - but not as high as some of the plant-based hydrolyzed proteins. That makes it a very good film-former which is great for holding moisture on your hair. But if your hair is not suffering from protein loss (like mine when I was swimming and showering in heavily-chlorinated water), then a "heavy" protein might be disagreeable.
Keratin, silk, quinoa proteins are lower molecular weight and can penetrate (slightly) into the hair, as though they moisturize from within. Or a combination of proteins (as is the Neutral Protein Filler) may be better if gelatine is too heavy-handed for you. Amino acids in products are lovely too.
I wrote about this here when I was trying to figure out what was going on: science-y hair blog: Mysteries of Hydrolyzed Proteins
science-y hair blog: Amino Acids in Hair Products

When I get over-proteined, I just shampoo my hair. Good to hear you already have a "fix" for yours.
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/

Last edited by IAgirl; 01-01-2012 at 11:24 AM.
Thank you so much for the link, kathymack!! I found some gentle products in the back of my bathroom cabinet that are safe and have low doses of proteins. I'm testing my hair with these, to see if I have any specific protein sensitivities. That trial and error thing My hair and skin are so sensitive and I am trying to determine if I actually have a reaction to wheat (I tend to get and stay very dry when wheat is involved) or if it's ingredients that are sometimes paired with wheat. I think aloe and I go toe to toe. When I do a protein treatment I want to make sure I get the best results. So far I can say, for sure, that my hair likes egg whites.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

Someone just posted this Curl Chemist article about using protein in another thread. I thought it would be good to post it here, too.
Proteins: Why You Should Care
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Another good one. I'm glad someone finally pointed me in this direction, and you're being very helpful in the exploration. I have not been getting anywhere near enough. I now know this. For many years a little silk, soy or keratin in finishing products has been it. 6.5 weeks ago my former hair dresser (of 8 years) took it upon himself to dye my hair almost black. I asked for a dark blonde/light golden brown so I could get closer to my natural color, and (make myself) stay in that area. He didn't think I knew what was best. It soaked in like a sponge, was left in too long. My hair... Wow. Turns out he lost his license years ago, and has refused to take steps to get them back. He is now working in a salon on federal land, where he is fairly safe. I've been left with 80% more dry-damaged strands, an itchy scalp, and sensitivities that seem far worse than normal. They were bad enough before. I've found someone new, and helpful, who is color correcting in stages. She is making sure I get as little extra damage as possible. She recommended the protein. I hope to try a treatment after I do the final color correct (Friday). I won't have the extra funds for it and a new (& better) deep conditioner until then.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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