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Old 08-16-2013, 08:01 PM   #1
 
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I'm a 2c, fine to medium, HP, medium density and have discovered my hair loves protein based on how well it's responded to the last two quick (5 min) gelatin PTs I've done.

I'm wondering though, I just did a PT on Monday and by Thursday I could tell I needed another one. Hair and curls are feeling weighed down and more wavy than curly. I use TN and was using KCKT, but cut the leave in when I started to feel over conditioned.

Should I PT longer? Or should I buy the protein filler from Sally's? Or a protein conditioner? Is this a sign I should low poo (I have Deva lowpoo)?
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Five minutes is a great start but those protein molecules will largely have deposited in the surface in that time. IMO try a longer treatment aiming to also get penetration since you are high porosity, but do scale up slowly - don't increase frequency AND time, one or the other - and back off if you feel any negative effects at any point.

Are you saying you are using Tresemme Naturals as a co-wash, rinse out conditioner or both? KC Knot Today is not a true leave in conditioner, it is a detangler. Many of the ingredients act as film formers and some as mild humectants. You can low-poo if you wish, many wavies do like to do so periodically.

THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Protein Conditioners for hair: part 2 of 2
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:52 AM   #3
 
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Five minutes is a great start but those protein molecules will largely have deposited in the surface in that time. IMO try a longer treatment aiming to also get penetration since you are high porosity, but do scale up slowly - don't increase frequency AND time, one or the other - and back off if you feel any negative effects at any point.

Are you saying you are using Tresemme Naturals as a co-wash, rinse out conditioner or both? KC Knot Today is not a true leave in conditioner, it is a detangler. Many of the ingredients act as film formers and some as mild humectants. You can low-poo if you wish, many wavies do like to do so periodically.

THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Protein Conditioners for hair: part 2 of 2
I use SNTC as my co, TN as my RO. I tend to do better w/o a leave in, but was using KCKT because I'd recently PT'ed without using a DT (my hair actually felt fine and soft after rinsing the PT, so I thought a DT would maybe cancel out the positive effects of the PT, since I feel over conditioned). I also got a highlight last week.

I read your article--would you recommend using Aphogee? I have been using half a packet of gelatin, since I'm new to this and I have short hair. I was considering doing one today for 10 mins? (The gelatin, not Aphogee)

I'm wondering if I'd do well with a daily protein conditioner? I'm just not sure how to know how much to use...my hair definitely gets soft and weighed down, but it is still a bit frizzy and dry/dull looking at times, instead of shiny. So how do I strike the right balance?

I was also curious if lowpooing could help prevent over conditioning?

Oh--and my gel has protein--I use LA Look SG.
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Okay did 10 minutes today--it may have been a bit much...hair looks a bit fried. What's the best way to DT with coconut oil?

Also, I've notice over the last few weeks that I have little hairs that are frizzing by my part. I am wondering if the scrubbing during cowashing is causing my hair to break?

I'm feeling frustrated...it almost makes me want to stop CG and just go back to my old ways. I have learned some good techniques that I can keep doing...I just can't seem to find the right product combo w/o spending a million dollars on products..

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Finding the right products can definitely be a challenge. I know how much I've struggled, and I don't have the ingredient issues so many others have.
I would suggest trying a protein conditioner and see if a more frequent, but mild, hit of protein is the happy medium you need. Two economical options are ION Effective Care conditioner, and Colorful Neutral Protein Filler (add to your regular conditioner). Both can be found at Sally's. If a 10 minute gelatin treatment was too much, skip the Aphogee 2-step because it's a stronger version of the same protein.
I can't give much advice with the coconut oil, because that is the one and only thing that my hair absolutely hates.
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Finding the right products can definitely be a challenge. I know how much I've struggled, and I don't have the ingredient issues so many others have.
I would suggest trying a protein conditioner and see if a more frequent, but mild, hit of protein is the happy medium you need. Two economical options are ION Effective Care conditioner, and Colorful Neutral Protein Filler (add to your regular conditioner). Both can be found at Sally's. If a 10 minute gelatin treatment was too much, skip the Aphogee 2-step because it's a stronger version of the same protein.
I can't give much advice with the coconut oil, because that is the one and only thing that my hair absolutely hates.
Thanks, Corrina...how do you DT? I've done 2 coconut oil, honey, and conditioner (TN) saturations on dry hair, overnight, and don't feel like it did much, so I'm thinking I ought to try something different. It just seems really difficult to find the right protein/moisture balance. I think I will pick up the Neutral Protein Filler and see what happens.
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I'm probably not a good person to ask about DTs because my hair is so protein craving that I can do a 4 packet gelatin PT with added NPF and Effective Care, blow dry it into my hair and just use a light rinse out conditioner. I know I've seen a number of people swear by GVP Conditioning Balm with some added oils, but I've also heard (technically speaking) that the ingredients in GVP CB aren't really good DT ingredients. Of course if it work for you...
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Okay did 10 minutes today--it may have been a bit much...hair looks a bit fried. What's the best way to DT with coconut oil?

Also, I've notice over the last few weeks that I have little hairs that are frizzing by my part. I am wondering if the scrubbing during cowashing is causing my hair to break?

I'm feeling frustrated...it almost makes me want to stop CG and just go back to my old ways. I have learned some good techniques that I can keep doing...I just can't seem to find the right product combo w/o spending a million dollars on products..

::sigh::
If you want the coconut oil to penetrate, apply to dry hair and leave overnight or even longer then co-wash out.

Conditioner only washing needs more massage certainly but I don't generally advocate scrubbing. I wash upside down and use a lot of (cheap) product so there is plenty of 'slip' and I don't have to rub as much, then alternately finger comb along my scalp from hairline towards crown and repeat that around my head. No back and forth or circles.

Might be new growth if you've switched from sulphate shampoos, they can cause thinner hair/ shedding in susceptible individuals. Or maybe you are not managing to spread your products to that area effectively or rinsing it more than elsewhere?

Sorry to read you are feeling frustrated. Maybe try to stick to cheaper products, or get some samples from KathyMack or make use of the swap board?
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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