Protein helpful for heat-damaged thick hair?

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I've read that protein isn't nessecary for medium and thick texture.
However, I've straightened my hair intensively until two years ago and my hair is of high porosity, so I'm wondering whether I need protein or not. I don't have a DT routine though. Will that be better for me otherwise?

So here are my questions:
* Do you suggest a protein treatment for my hair?
* If so, which kind of proteins (e.g. hydrolyzed, keratin, milk) do you suggest?
* Will a DIY treatment work for me? (eggs, yogurt, etc...)
* How many times a month can I do a treatment?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
I like curl junkie repair me.
curlypearl likes this.
2c/3a
Low-high porosity, fine/medium, high density thick hair, highlighted
Modified CG since 12/2013
I do the gelatin treatment here: Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects
Seems to work well enough!

Also, if I remember right, I think there's silk protein in my shampoo / conditioner.

With food treatments, there's quite a bit of evidence that the molecules are too large to penetrate the hair, so they might be considered more of a moisturising treatment than a strict protein treatment
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Thank you for the answers

But the link is broken!

And I don't see signatures on the phone. Which shampoo/co do you use?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
Don't use protein on coarse hair (thick individual strands) or only very sparingly, at most a rinse out conditioner not an intensive treatment or leave in. Medium or thick density (number of hairs on head/ thickness of ponytail) makes no difference. Damaged and highly porous hair often does well with hydrolysed protein at least on vulnerable ends, but can need plenty of conditioning with it.

The only food item rich in the small molecule hydrolysed protein you need is gelatin - everything else is not a protein treatment as some claim.

Be careful with protein in shampoo, many of us do not need protein at the virgin roots and its potentially damaging to shampoo the lengths regularly. Also be careful with protein treatments in low dew points: it is a humectant so can dry out hair instead of moisturising it.

There are a couple of useful protein articles/ recipes on the Sciencey Hairblog BotticelliBrit tried to link to, you should be able to find it via Google. Also check out the Natural Haven blog.

Other ingredients proven useful for overly porous or damaged hair including coarse hair and in any dews are coconut oil, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thank you for your advice! Hmm I better check whether YTC shampoo is good for me..

Would a DT be more suitable for my hair case instead?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
Thank you for the answers

But the link is broken!

And I don't see signatures on the phone. Which shampoo/co do you use?
Originally Posted by Fimu
How weird, the link seems to be working for me! Just google 'gelatin treatment for hair' and the scienc-y blog should come up

I use -
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Restorative
Fimu likes this.
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
I have very thick, coarse, damaged type 4 hair and until tonight, I totally dismissed the idea of protein treatments. However, immediately after I applied it, I noticed less hair in the tub, around my fingers, and in my shower comb. My hair instantly felt soft and smooth. I am living proof that the theory that coarse hair doesn't need protein every now and then is definitely a theory and not a fact.
Fimu and HtBlack like this.
Shampoo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Cowash: Curls Unleashed No Restrictions Conditioner
Deep Conditioner: Shea Moisture Deep Treatment Masque
Leave-In: Curls Unleashed No Boundaries
Oils: olive, argan, and Jamaican Black castor oils
I've decided to use hydrolysed proteins. And if I start with it, I first try it once a month.

But I rather buy drug/healthstore-available conditioners first, and my option was Dr. Organic olive oil conditioner. I found an image of the ingredients of it (put http:// in front pf it):

i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm14/misslipglossnl/Site/P1252737.jpg

I'm aware of the glycerin in it, so I know I better only use it at optimal dews.

So what do you think of this conditioner?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones

Last edited by Fimu; 03-06-2014 at 06:47 AM.
(...) Damaged and highly porous hair often does well with hydrolysed protein at least on vulnerable ends, but can need plenty of conditioning with it.
(...)
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
What do you mean with the last phrase? That I need a lot of DT with it, or co-washing with protein plus lots of normal conditioner?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
Conditioning, meaning using conditioners to condition hair.

Ultimately an intensive conditioner has much the same base to a regular conditioner or leave in conditioner. Any 'true' conditioner is rich in the major emollients (fatty alcohols/ cationic surfactants).

'Deep treating' is an umbrella term that encompasses protein treatments, heavy oiling on dry hair, bizarre DIY food concoctions, not just using intensive conditioners.

Co-washing is a cleansing technique that focusses on the roots not a conditioning technique that focusses on the ends,
Fimu likes this.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thank you for making the terms definitions clear.

What do you guys think of Dr. Organic as protein conditioner? Does the image link work for you?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
I just read in a topic that Burt's Bee shampoos and conditioners are available in the Netherlands, but the shampoos contain hydrolyzed proteins. Since I rinse it out anyway, are hydrolyzed proteins in shampoos also ok for my hair properties?
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
Don't use protein on coarse hair (thick individual strands) or only very sparingly, at most a rinse out conditioner not an intensive treatment or leave in. Medium or thick density (number of hairs on head/ thickness of ponytail) makes no difference. Damaged and highly porous hair often does well with hydrolysed protein at least on vulnerable ends, but can need plenty of conditioning with it.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I just bought a conditioner with hydrolyzed keratin high on the list. It also contains panthenol.

If I rinse-out my hair with that protein conditioner, do I also have to follow up with a regular conditioner rinse-out to keep the protein-moisture in balance?

Since my new conditioner is heavy in keratin, how often can I do a protein rinse-out? (e.g. 6 - 8 weeks)
Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones

Last edited by Fimu; 03-27-2014 at 02:53 PM.
I have coarse hair that is damaged mostly from dyeing it. Most protein treatments are horrible for my hair. It becomes like broom bristles.

Best for me: Curl junkie Repair me (protein treatment) MIXED with Curl Junkie Curl Rehab (wonderful moisturizer). Leave on hair about 5 minutes because I have no time for deep treatments. Rinse. Follow with another 5 minutes just Curl Rehab.

Definite improvement.

ETA Note that another poster recommended the Repair me. It is the best I have tried so far because it has moisturizers built in but definitely mix with another moisturizing treatment and follow with deep conditioner as much as you can. It will work.
Fimu likes this.
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Hello

I have medium strands and I find that my hair naturally thrives on protein to keep it's strength up. In fact, I didn't start retaining moisture and length until I incorporated protein into my routine.

I started off with Redken CAT treatment to be sure and then moved onto Aphogee when I realised how much my hair loved it! With the CAT treatment, you just spray it on and leave it in between your shampoo and conditioner. It'll make the hair quite stiff and hard so you must use a deep treatment afterwards to moisturise.

Hydrolized wheat protein, keratin and collagen tend to work best for me, I'm not sure if everything else is a bit too light......you can imagine how much my hair must need it! Which is weird because a good percentage of my hair is virgin (I have highlights and about 2 inches of old dye on the ends) and I barely use heat.

Hope this helps! Give it a try, I think protein treatments are kinda notorious for not a good reason. I think that there are more people who need protein due to styling factors than there are people with low porosity virgin hair that don't.

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I have coarse hair and was advised on my hair analysis to use only smaller protein molecules, since I have very high porosity on my ends. So if you have damaged high porosity hair - your hair can benefit from the smaller proteins like keratin and silk. She advised again the gelatin treatment and other proteins with larger molecules.
Fimu likes this.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Cond./ YTCucs, Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC, SS CEJ
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Thanks for your advice
I just had my second protein rinse-out (let it in for ~5 mins) and I think hydrolyzed keratin works good for me too. With YTCarrots as leave-in + sunflower oil as sealant, my hair feels very smooth now (1st day).

If it goes well, I proceed with protein rinse-outs once a week to 2 weeks. If I notice hardness/dryness, then I will use protein less frequently and make sure my hair gets enough moisture by e.g. deep rinse-outs / conditioning.
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Henna'd ✩ waist-length (wet) ✩ loose 3b
High density ✩ very coarse & medium ✩ porous halfway length: old heat & sun damage ✩ low elasticity (wet)


Climate
75-100% humidity

CG only products
Clarify: YTCar poo
Low poo: Harmonie Familie
Co-wash&RO: Argan Care
Styling LI: [varying]
Seal: sweet almond oil
Pre-wash: coconut oil

: oils, dew = 50-60s + 50-70% humidity, hydrolyzed keratin
: salt water, rain, high humidity, 'cones
Protein can be very helpful for my hair on occasion. A large majority of it is high porosity but I do have layers of hair that are medium or low. I've never bothered testing them so I don't know for sure. I do have damage, especially to the outer layer. I was a little scared of PT's after bad experiences with products containing specific proteins until a stylist whipped up a protein treatment, slapped it on my hair, and put me under a hair dryer for 20 minutes. She told me I needed PT's far more regularly than I thought. I used JOICO K-PAK Deep Penetrating Reconstructor yesterday and my hair feels so much better! The dew points were causing extra grief. The directions call for 5 minutes in the shower. I did 20 with heat and followed with moisture. It is loaded with hydrolyzed keratin. It also contains mineral oil but I am not even flinching over that. I do not use it often enough to worry.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

^ I only do PT's with heat around twice a year, though. I go to products with protein or very light and quick treatments when I feel my hair needs a treat.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

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