Is Protein good or bad?

I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out!
Hi Kayla...every curly is different. Some curlies, coarser haired ones usually, are sensitive to proteins. Other curlies, like me, who are fine haired, have hair that EATS IT FOR BREAKFAST LOL.

You should never not use protein at all....the key is finding the right balance for your hair. If you chemically treat, heat style, swim, are out in the sun, or use hot water on your hair you'll probably need more.

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Also, too much protein on hair that needs more moisture instead (humectants) can actually dry out your hair and cause breakage. So always approach protein with caution unless you're one of the protein lovin' girlies.
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thanks you guys so much....both of you have definately helpes me on how i approach protein
I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?
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I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?
Originally Posted by Amobailar
I think that if your hair doesn't like protein it can get very dry and brittle. Also, using too much protein can do this, too.

Products that contain protein usually have ingredients like this in them:

Common protein ingredients include:
  • Hydrolyzed Collagen Protein
  • Hydrolyzed Silk Protein
  • Hydrolyzed Soy Protein
  • Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein
  • Silk Amino Acids
  • Silk Protein
  • Soy Protein
  • Wheat Amino Acids
  • Wheat Protein
This article also has some info on protein ingredients:

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-care-products

Humectants, conditioners
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed casein
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed collagen
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed hair keratin
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed keratin
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed rice protein
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed silk
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed soy protein
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl hydrolyzed wheat protein
Cocodimonium hydroxypropyl silk amino acids
Cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
Cocoyl hydrolyzed keratin
Hydrolyzed keratin
Hydrolyzed oat flour
Hydrolyzed silk
Hydrolyzed silk protein
Hydrolyzed soy protein
Hydrolyzed wheat protein
Hydrolyzed wheat protein
Keratin
Potassium cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
TEA-cocoyl hydrolyzed collagen
TEA-cocoyl hydrolyzed soy protein
Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density

Last edited by anniemae; 07-09-2010 at 06:02 AM.
I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out!
Originally Posted by kayla218
Here is some good info that I found about proteins: (If anything is incorrect, please let me know - thanks!!)

"The amount of protein you need or may not need depends on your hair type. If you have fine hair, then you will do well with protein. If you have coarse hair, then you should avoid proteins. If you have damaged hair, then protein can help to repair the damage. If your wet hair is extremely stretchy and elastic, then you need protein."

**** But, always do a deep moisturizing treatment after you do a protein treatment".

Here is some other info:

FINE HAIR
Needs protein
No humectants
No emollients
Color takes faster


COARSE HAIR
Needs no protein
Needs humectants
Needs emollients
Needs acidic treatments (ACV rinses)
Color takes slower

LOW ELASTICITY
Needs no protein
Needs moisture

LOW POROSITY
Repels water, color, and products
Needs moisture
Needs humectants
Needs no protein
Color fades slowly
Color takes slower
(when testing - feels slick)

NORMAL POROSITY
Absorbs and retains water and products
Needs occasional protein
Keep a balance between moisture and protein
(when testing - feels smooth)

HIGH POROSITY
Overly absorbs water, color, and products
Needs moisture
Need emollients
Needs protein
Color fades fast
Color takes quickly
Dry, fragile, brittle
Do not use soap bars
Needs ACV rinses
Use gels, oils, and butters
(Caused by heat damage, hard water/chlorine saturation, using harsh ingredients)
(when testing - feels ruffled)
Hair Type - wavy/curly, fine texture, thin/medium density
I'd like to expand Kayla's question because the protein issue has confused me too. What products have proteins in them? Condish? Gels? How can I tell what has a protein or not? One more question: What will my hair do if it doesn't like protein?
Originally Posted by Amobailar
thanks so much for asking these questions....i was wondering about some of these things last night!
I'm a newly natural and I have been learning alot about my hair and being a curly. However, I'm still confused about this protein thing...Is protein good or bad for your hair? or is every curly girl different?...Please help a newly natural out!
Originally Posted by kayla218
Here is some good info that I found about proteins: (If anything is incorrect, please let me know - thanks!!)

"The amount of protein you need or may not need depends on your hair type. If you have fine hair, then you will do well with protein. If you have coarse hair, then you should avoid proteins. If you have damaged hair, then protein can help to repair the damage. If your wet hair is extremely stretchy and elastic, then you need protein."

**** But, always do a deep moisturizing treatment after you do a protein treatment".

Here is some other info:

FINE HAIR
Needs protein
No humectants
No emollients
Color takes faster


COARSE HAIR
Needs no protein
Needs humectants
Needs emollients
Needs acidic treatments (ACV rinses)
Color takes slower

LOW ELASTICITY
Needs no protein
Needs moisture

LOW POROSITY
Repels water, color, and products
Needs moisture
Needs humectants
Needs no protein
Color fades slowly
Color takes slower
(when testing - feels slick)

NORMAL POROSITY
Absorbs and retains water and products
Needs occasional protein
Keep a balance between moisture and protein
(when testing - feels smooth)

HIGH POROSITY
Overly absorbs water, color, and products
Needs moisture
Need emollients
Needs protein
Color fades fast
Color takes quickly
Dry, fragile, brittle
Do not use soap bars
Needs ACV rinses
Use gels, oils, and butters
(Caused by heat damage, hard water/chlorine saturation, using harsh ingredients)
(when testing - feels ruffled)
Originally Posted by anniemae
what are emollients? i forgot
first - Kelly - Your curls are gorgeous! I looked through your fotiki - your Pre-CG is more like what I am now (post cg!) and your current (post cg) is amazing. Any changes in how you styled (other than products?). How often do you co-wash, etc?

second - I've read that if your hair LACKS elasticity it needs protein.. no?
2c/3a. Fine-Medium, Med-High Porosity. NO elasticity.

Mainly CG (co-wash daily; no poo, no cones)
Current products:
Co-wash: Desert Essences Organics (lemon for clarifying)
Condish: Desert Essences Organics (coconut for moisture)
Hair Gel: KissMyFace, HFSG

Occasionals:
Coconut Oil
Baking Soda/ACV
Trying:
Gelatin/ACV Protein Treatment
Biotene H-24 Condish
VO5 Hot Oil

Hair Pics: http://s754.photobucket.com/albums/x...air/CG%20Hair/
Yes, that's opposite.

Protein is what helps your hair to bounce back once it's stretched. Also known as elasticity. So if you have low elasticity you need protein. Hence another reason my hair eats it for breakfast LOL.

Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
Ingredients Maven
Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
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Okay, that's what I thought.

It's just I read the quote that anniemae posted (saying that if your hair is overly stretchy/elastic it NEEDS protein, and got worried)/.
2c/3a. Fine-Medium, Med-High Porosity. NO elasticity.

Mainly CG (co-wash daily; no poo, no cones)
Current products:
Co-wash: Desert Essences Organics (lemon for clarifying)
Condish: Desert Essences Organics (coconut for moisture)
Hair Gel: KissMyFace, HFSG

Occasionals:
Coconut Oil
Baking Soda/ACV
Trying:
Gelatin/ACV Protein Treatment
Biotene H-24 Condish
VO5 Hot Oil

Hair Pics: http://s754.photobucket.com/albums/x...air/CG%20Hair/
Okay, that's what I thought.

It's just I read the quote that anniemae posted (saying that if your hair is overly stretchy/elastic it NEEDS protein, and got worried)/.
Originally Posted by LongDarkWavyHair

Well, it's a little misleading, simply because that can be true too. What that indicates is that someone has overly chemically processed hair. Like, they bleached the heck out of it and it's stretching and gummy and coming off their head. Moisture gives the ability to stretch, protein the ability to bounce back once it's been stretched out.

It's all in a fine balance...the key isn't to avoid one or the other but find what your hair's balance is. I NEVER recommend completely avoiding protein, some people just need more moisture than protein. Even RCC who is pretty protein sensitive has her moments that she needs it. She just has figured out which proteins work for her and how long to do them.

Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
Ingredients Maven
Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
Lady Karaan, High Priestess of Hayr Tretements in the Order of Curly Crusaders
Fotki updated 10/12/10 Password: wavy

Last edited by rymorg2; 09-06-2010 at 11:28 AM. Reason: added thought
little confused still. I'm fairly new, been CG/modified CG for about 6-7 months now. How do you know if you're protein sensitive or not? Is it if you're doing CG and your hair is super frizzy/dry? I'm just confused as to how you would decide whether or not your hair likes proteins/if you should use proteins for your hair.
Thanks
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Co-wash: VO5 or Suave Naturals
Conditioners: Garnier Fructis Sleek and Shine
Leave in: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks 9 Hold


ditto strish's question. i am also still confused about the whole protein thing. i started co-washing a few months ago and my hair has become DRIER, its like straw! i was not expecting that. so obviously i am doing something wrong. i have been using trader joe's nourish spa conditioner.

i just don't get the whole protein thing. my hair is 3b, i guess. its not coarse. but now that its so dry it sure feels a lot coarser!

help!!! how the heck do i figure out what my hair needs?
ditto strish's question. i am also still confused about the whole protein thing. i started co-washing a few months ago and my hair has become DRIER, its like straw! i was not expecting that. so obviously i am doing something wrong. i have been using trader joe's nourish spa conditioner.

i just don't get the whole protein thing. my hair is 3b, i guess. its not coarse. but now that its so dry it sure feels a lot coarser!

help!!! how the heck do i figure out what my hair needs?
Originally Posted by citlizzy79
You might need to clarify to remove buildup. You can either use a regular shampoo, or low sulfate if you prefer. You can also make your own solution of apple cider vinegar or lemon juice diluted with water.

What kind of conditioner are you using?

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