A protein by any other name...

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Hi, my name is Penny and I'm sensitive to protein.

I was really hoping I would be one of those lucky ones who can do certain kinds of protein here and there, but alas, my hair reacts to any and all of them as though I'm trying to set it on fire. So no more protein for me, at least for awhile. But proteins are sneaky little buggers, lurking in long ingredient lists waiting for a chance to sabotage the unsuspecting and uneducated. I know that hydrolized anything's a protein, and collagen anything's a protein, and anything listed as a protein is a protein (duh), but are there ingredients that are proteins that don't look like proteins? For example, I keep hearing that the Giovanni conditioners have proteins in them, but I've been over and over the ingredients in my bottle of TTTT conditioner and don't see hydrolized or collagen anything:

Aqua (Purified Water), Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexyl glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oil, Achillea Millefolium Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Equisetum Arvense Extract, Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Oil, Lavandula (Lavender) Leaf Extract, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil, Rosemarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract

I know some people's hair interprets plant mucilage (like aloe) as a protein, but I didn't think they were technically interchangeable. So what else should I be looking for? Anyone have any tips?

ETA that the Giovanni hasn't been in my rotation for awhile - I was just revisiting it to see if I could use it as a cowash in place of my beloved CJ DF, which has oat protein in it.
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More please: EVOO, honey
Nuh-uh: heavy oils and butters, ACV, soap bars, olefin sulfonate, protein

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Last edited by Penny; 07-09-2011 at 04:32 PM. Reason: De-confusifying
well id say if your protein sensitive (im the oppisite moisture sensitive) you mite wanna research protein...also if your protein sensitive...thn your hair most likely loves moisture if its dry so if it feels dry still without protein id try some moisture deep treatments good luck
Hi, my name is Penny and I'm sensitive to protein.

I was really hoping I would be one of those lucky ones who can do certain kinds of protein here and there, but alas, my hair reacts to any and all of them as though I'm trying to set it on fire. So no more protein for me, at least for awhile. But proteins are sneaky little buggers, lurking in long ingredient lists waiting for a chance to sabotage the unsuspecting and uneducated. I know that hydrolized anything's a protein, and collagen anything's a protein, and anything listed as a protein is a protein (duh), but are there ingredients that are proteins that don't look like proteins? For example, I keep hearing that the Giovanni conditioners have proteins in them, but I've been over and over the ingredients in my bottle of TTTT and don't see hydrolized or collagen anything:

Aqua (Purified Water), Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Brassicamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Panthenol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Menthol, Polysorbate 60, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Ethylhexyl glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Oil, Achillea Millefolium Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Equisetum Arvense Extract, Eucalyptus Globulus (Eucalyptus) Oil, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Leaf Extract, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Leaf Oil, Rosemarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract

I know some people's hair interprets plant mucilage (like aloe) as a protein, but I didn't think they were technically interchangeable. So what else should I be looking for? Anyone have any tips?
Originally Posted by Penny
My hair LOVES protein, but the Giovanni products leave it "hard and dry" feeling. I don't think it's protein. There are a lot of ingredients listed that my hair doesn't have any issues with, I just think they are drying for me. Have you used other "higher quality" products with protein and had issues?? I used the GDLI a few weeks ago after not using it for a long time--and threw out the rest of the bottle. If that gives you an idea of what it did to my hair.

Some people have issues with Panthenol and others find Cetrimonium Chloride drying.
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Yeah, sadly I have, most of them CJ. I fried my hair last weekend with KC Come Clean, so I took that opportunity to remove all of my protein-y products from my routine just to see if they were drying me out (after doing several DTs and not having any success despite using SS DD and CJ conditioners). When my hair began to feel better a few days ago I started adding them back in, starting with CJ DF, and noticed my hair becoming increasingly drier (again, despite spritzing and condishing with heavy, good quality condishes and GVP CB). Today I tried some CJ CF on it just to see what would happen and poof! Insta-straw! So, yeah, looks like protein is maybe not so great for me. The thing is, I now need to find something to wash my hair with and I'm completely at a loss since most low-poos dry me out for other reasons and the drugstore condishes people like as cowashes turn me into a raging frizz ball. That's where the Giovanni condish comes in. (The sample of CJ BC Argan and Olive I got from you has been completely saving my hair, BTW! It's like some sort of miracle elixir, I don't know how I ever survived without it!)

I probably should've just put all of that in my original post, lol! Sorry for being so totally unclear!
Too wavy to be curly, too curly to be wavy
Fine (some exceptions may apply), low porosity (ditto), proudly rockin' my premature silver/white
More please: EVOO, honey
Nuh-uh: heavy oils and butters, ACV, soap bars, olefin sulfonate, protein

GVP CB, CJ BC Argan & Olive Oil, and CJ CIAB for the W1N!

Last edited by Penny; 07-09-2011 at 04:32 PM.
Alright, a second look at Red Celtic Curl's famous blog post on protein just cleared all this up for me, I think. It looks like the "proteins" in the Giovanni and other products of that ilk are the plant extracts, and while they're not proteins proper, they are nevertheless protein-y because they're plant collagens, if I'm understanding it correctly. Of course, the last time I read this post was maybe two years ago when protein didn't bother me, so I completely forgot about it. Figures! Anyway, thanks for your help, ladies - sorry to bother you with this (though if anyone has anything to add, I certainly won't stop you!).
Too wavy to be curly, too curly to be wavy
Fine (some exceptions may apply), low porosity (ditto), proudly rockin' my premature silver/white
More please: EVOO, honey
Nuh-uh: heavy oils and butters, ACV, soap bars, olefin sulfonate, protein

GVP CB, CJ BC Argan & Olive Oil, and CJ CIAB for the W1N!
Alright, a second look at Red Celtic Curl's famous blog post on protein just cleared all this up for me, I think. It looks like the "proteins" in the Giovanni and other products of that ilk are the plant extracts, and while they're not proteins proper, they are nevertheless protein-y because they're plant collagens, if I'm understanding it correctly. Of course, the last time I read this post was maybe two years ago when protein didn't bother me, so I completely forgot about it. Figures! Anyway, thanks for your help, ladies - sorry to bother you with this (though if anyone has anything to add, I certainly won't stop you!).
Originally Posted by Penny
I'm a bit confused. I too use Giovanni but the 50/50 cond the ingredients are practically similar. So, plant extracts are now considered protein as well? Sigh..

back to the drawing board...
3b/C with nicer curls on the bottom!
Hair: naturally very dry and VERY porous
hair seems to be moody.
Does not seem to like oils
Does not like protein or too much?
Does not like rich products

So, I ask myself. What does it like? That is the question, and I'm on a mission.
Unfortunately im discovering the same thing! i thought i was really going to do my hair some good and order cj daily fix, beautycurls, repair me....and it just started going down hill.. now i realize how much protein i have been putting in it.

im using tressemme natural and now i find out THAT has protein in it. i really dont know what to use as a cowash now.

i use flas so at least thats not my problem!

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